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The MAM casuals are being told to be available because they are expecting a wave of sick leave due stress I am guessing.......
But the point of the article was 'rumours are staff will have to reapply for thier jobs'. So that probably means change in conditions if you want your job back but also means that managers and HR people are going to be interviewing etc and wasting time selecting people, rather than allowing people to focus on doing their job.
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Qantas copying BA?
Blast from the past:
Don't forget that during this time BA sold it's Low cost carrier "GO" to Easyjet so maybe the sale of Jetstar is well and truly on the cards.
Don't forget that during this time BA sold it's Low cost carrier "GO" to Easyjet so maybe the sale of Jetstar is well and truly on the cards.
BA announces more job cuts
British Airways was accused tonight of "butchery" after unveiling radical plans to cut 5,800 jobs to tackle its mounting debts.
A union threatened industrial action if there were any compulsory redundancies, while other officials attacked the airline's decision as a "stab in the back" for workers.
Ceramics group Royal Doulton added to the gloom by cutting up to 1,000 jobs, mostly in the UK, under plans to close its factory in Baddeley Green in Staffordshire and transfer production of its Royal Albert range to Indonesia.
The twin announcements followed official figures showing that 151,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in the final three months of last year.
International Labour Organisation unemployment figures - which include people not eligible for benefit - increased by 34,000 to 1,546,000 in the same period, although the claimant count showed a surprise fall last month of 10,600.
BA, which is losing £2 million a day, said the fresh job losses, on top of 7,200 previously announced, were aimed at helping to make £650 million annual savings.
Chief executive Rod Eddington said BA must be transformed into a "simpler, leaner, more focused airline".
Mr Eddington recorded a special telephone message for staff explaining that action was needed to lead BA out of a "crisis".
The airline said it would restructure its European short-haul business to compete with the no-frills carriers.
Business travellers and holidaymakers will be offered lower fares, greater flexibility and more choice from June.
BA said it wanted to achieve the job cuts by voluntary means and would work with unions to achieve its target.
Mr Eddington said the package of measures was designed to return the airline to profitability following a wide-ranging analysis of its business, led by the chief executive himself.
"We started this review with one clear objective in mind - to turn this company around.
"We will remain true to our heritage of being a full service network carrier committed to customer service excellence and world class products."
BA is making a provision of £200 million over the next two years for the restructuring costs.
Mr Eddington said BA would not become a no-frills airline and would not be launching one.
But he added: "We will compete profitably and intelligently alongside them by adopting what they do well - online bookings, high aircraft utilisation and pricing simplicity.
"We will mix it with what we do well - providing a great network with frequent flights from convenient airports, as well as delivering world-class customer service."
From the summer of 1999 to the summer of 2003, BA's capacity reduction will total 21%.
BA announced that a further eight routes would transfer from Gatwick to Heathrow by this summer - four long hauls (Mauritius, Buenos Aires, Lagos and Abuja in Nigeria) and four short hauls (Bucharest, Kiev, Riga and Zagreb).
By the summer of 2003, BA's capacity at Gatwick will have reduced by 60% since 1999.
The airline also plans to cut a further 10 routes - five long haul and five short haul - which will be announced after consultations have been completed.
The total of 13,000 job cuts will include 400 pilots, 3,400 cabin crew, 800 customer services staff at Heathrow, 550 customer services staff at Gatwick, 1,500 engineers, 2,600 world sales staff, 800 cargo employees and 2,950 others, mainly among head office and support staff.
About 6,600 of the jobs will be cut from Heathrow, 3,000 from Gatwick, 1,200 from regional bases in the UK, and 2,200 will go overseas.
Bill Morris, general secretary of the Transport and General Workers Union, said: "We expected mild surgery but what we have got is butchery.
"We will not be rushing to the barricades, but rushing to the negotiating table. On the basis of no compulsory redundancies and no attacks on our members' terms and conditions, we will help to achieve a managed reduction."
Roger Lyons, general secretary of Amicus, said: "This is a devastating body blow to staff, who have acted impeccably in responding to the needs of the company to safeguard jobs over recent months."
The GMB union accused BA of "stabbing workers in the back" and warned it would ballot for industrial action if there were any compulsory redundancies.
Prime Minister Tony Blair's official spokesman said: "I think everybody understands there have been both competition pressures in the industry and pressure post-September 11 for the airline industry as a whole."
Alex Scott, equities analyst at Seven Investment Management, added: "There are some good ideas in the strategy but the question is whether they can execute them.
"I don't think we have really seen the unthinkable today - it certainly makes sense but it's not revolutionary. But it might be enough to keep markets happy for the time being."
Doulton's restructuring over the past three years has seen it close a number of retail units, cut jobs and sell brands such as Royal Crown Derby.
Under its plans announced today it aims to become a "smaller but profitable business" based on its three global brands, Royal Doulton, Minton and Royal Albert.
The TUC said almost 20,000 manufacturing jobs were being lost every month.
General secretary John Monks said: "This is serious news and comes on top of today's British Airways cuts and Ford's Dagenham planroduction.
"There is sure to be more to come for Britain's struggling airline and manufacturing sectors.
Work and Pensions Minister Nick Brown cautioned against reading too much into one month's figures, but added: "The UK has low inflation, sound public finances and low unemployment.
"This, combined with a rise in employment and the fact that we are getting 10,000 new vacancies in Jobcentres every working day, shows that we are coping well with the uncertainties of the current international economic climate better than other countries and better than we have in the past."
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British Airways was accused tonight of "butchery" after unveiling radical plans to cut 5,800 jobs to tackle its mounting debts.
A union threatened industrial action if there were any compulsory redundancies, while other officials attacked the airline's decision as a "stab in the back" for workers.
Ceramics group Royal Doulton added to the gloom by cutting up to 1,000 jobs, mostly in the UK, under plans to close its factory in Baddeley Green in Staffordshire and transfer production of its Royal Albert range to Indonesia.
The twin announcements followed official figures showing that 151,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in the final three months of last year.
International Labour Organisation unemployment figures - which include people not eligible for benefit - increased by 34,000 to 1,546,000 in the same period, although the claimant count showed a surprise fall last month of 10,600.
BA, which is losing £2 million a day, said the fresh job losses, on top of 7,200 previously announced, were aimed at helping to make £650 million annual savings.
Chief executive Rod Eddington said BA must be transformed into a "simpler, leaner, more focused airline".
Mr Eddington recorded a special telephone message for staff explaining that action was needed to lead BA out of a "crisis".
The airline said it would restructure its European short-haul business to compete with the no-frills carriers.
Business travellers and holidaymakers will be offered lower fares, greater flexibility and more choice from June.
BA said it wanted to achieve the job cuts by voluntary means and would work with unions to achieve its target.
Mr Eddington said the package of measures was designed to return the airline to profitability following a wide-ranging analysis of its business, led by the chief executive himself.
"We started this review with one clear objective in mind - to turn this company around.
"We will remain true to our heritage of being a full service network carrier committed to customer service excellence and world class products."
BA is making a provision of £200 million over the next two years for the restructuring costs.
Mr Eddington said BA would not become a no-frills airline and would not be launching one.
But he added: "We will compete profitably and intelligently alongside them by adopting what they do well - online bookings, high aircraft utilisation and pricing simplicity.
"We will mix it with what we do well - providing a great network with frequent flights from convenient airports, as well as delivering world-class customer service."
From the summer of 1999 to the summer of 2003, BA's capacity reduction will total 21%.
BA announced that a further eight routes would transfer from Gatwick to Heathrow by this summer - four long hauls (Mauritius, Buenos Aires, Lagos and Abuja in Nigeria) and four short hauls (Bucharest, Kiev, Riga and Zagreb).
By the summer of 2003, BA's capacity at Gatwick will have reduced by 60% since 1999.
The airline also plans to cut a further 10 routes - five long haul and five short haul - which will be announced after consultations have been completed.
The total of 13,000 job cuts will include 400 pilots, 3,400 cabin crew, 800 customer services staff at Heathrow, 550 customer services staff at Gatwick, 1,500 engineers, 2,600 world sales staff, 800 cargo employees and 2,950 others, mainly among head office and support staff.
About 6,600 of the jobs will be cut from Heathrow, 3,000 from Gatwick, 1,200 from regional bases in the UK, and 2,200 will go overseas.
Bill Morris, general secretary of the Transport and General Workers Union, said: "We expected mild surgery but what we have got is butchery.
"We will not be rushing to the barricades, but rushing to the negotiating table. On the basis of no compulsory redundancies and no attacks on our members' terms and conditions, we will help to achieve a managed reduction."
Roger Lyons, general secretary of Amicus, said: "This is a devastating body blow to staff, who have acted impeccably in responding to the needs of the company to safeguard jobs over recent months."
The GMB union accused BA of "stabbing workers in the back" and warned it would ballot for industrial action if there were any compulsory redundancies.
Prime Minister Tony Blair's official spokesman said: "I think everybody understands there have been both competition pressures in the industry and pressure post-September 11 for the airline industry as a whole."
Alex Scott, equities analyst at Seven Investment Management, added: "There are some good ideas in the strategy but the question is whether they can execute them.
"I don't think we have really seen the unthinkable today - it certainly makes sense but it's not revolutionary. But it might be enough to keep markets happy for the time being."
Doulton's restructuring over the past three years has seen it close a number of retail units, cut jobs and sell brands such as Royal Crown Derby.
Under its plans announced today it aims to become a "smaller but profitable business" based on its three global brands, Royal Doulton, Minton and Royal Albert.
The TUC said almost 20,000 manufacturing jobs were being lost every month.
General secretary John Monks said: "This is serious news and comes on top of today's British Airways cuts and Ford's Dagenham planroduction.
"There is sure to be more to come for Britain's struggling airline and manufacturing sectors.
Work and Pensions Minister Nick Brown cautioned against reading too much into one month's figures, but added: "The UK has low inflation, sound public finances and low unemployment.
"This, combined with a rise in employment and the fact that we are getting 10,000 new vacancies in Jobcentres every working day, shows that we are coping well with the uncertainties of the current international economic climate better than other countries and better than we have in the past."
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Like BA.
I don't think the QF group can afford the luxury of operating parallel services on the same route at the same time on two different branded airlines.
The duplication only adds to the overall cost.
Its like running a household. If you can't afford to keep your own house in order.
Then you need to Jettison the second car and or the investment property.
Then focus on your own financial position else loose your own house as well.
MC.
Like BA.
I don't think the QF group can afford the luxury of operating parallel services on the same route at the same time on two different branded airlines.
The duplication only adds to the overall cost.
Its like running a household. If you can't afford to keep your own house in order.
Then you need to Jettison the second car and or the investment property.
Then focus on your own financial position else loose your own house as well.
MC.
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Don't forget that during this time BA sold it's Low cost carrier "GO" to Easyjet so maybe the sale of Jetstar is well and truly on the cards
Yep, doing a Wilie, it's starting to look like that, had that feeling since last week http://www.pprune.org/8332120-post2566.html
I was working in the UK when that happened..... the politicians then sounded the same as this lot
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...C01126-med.jpg
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What seems worrying, is that there are heaps of reports out now quoting 5000 job losses, and nowhere is QF denying the report. I hope it is expectation management ( leak 5000 but then announce only 2000), and not close to the actual number.
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Alan WAS in negotiations with a bank in May 2013 for the sale of the JQ Asian franchises.
The deal fell thru as the offer price was not high enough.
Perhaps he may have dropped the price?
Alan WAS in negotiations with a bank in May 2013 for the sale of the JQ Asian franchises.
The deal fell thru as the offer price was not high enough.
Perhaps he may have dropped the price?
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Alan's not happy......
John Hewson speaking on Sky Business now and not being shy about his views. "Qantas has been very badly managed from board level down".
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Pity people like John Hewson did not speak up a few years ago instead or waiting until the last possible moment.
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Would have to agree that Qantas has been badly managed.
The job cuts should have occurred years ago - they only weren't because of the beneficial influences of SARS, 9/11, Ansett and other external influences which have covered how costly a legacy had built up.
The processes which the company operates by would, in an ideal world, have been rigorously analysed, waste eliminated and excess staff dealt with via attrition rather than expensive redundancy payouts.
The result of this would have been key strategic capability could have been retained with the processes approaching leading levels of performance. Unfortunately management aren't that clever and neither are the unions who want everything but give nothing in return.
The job cuts should have occurred years ago - they only weren't because of the beneficial influences of SARS, 9/11, Ansett and other external influences which have covered how costly a legacy had built up.
The processes which the company operates by would, in an ideal world, have been rigorously analysed, waste eliminated and excess staff dealt with via attrition rather than expensive redundancy payouts.
The result of this would have been key strategic capability could have been retained with the processes approaching leading levels of performance. Unfortunately management aren't that clever and neither are the unions who want everything but give nothing in return.
Notice of the "Town Hall" meeting following the announcement on Thursday states only Strambi and Hickey will be in attendance.
Could it be Joyce might be clearing out his desk at that time?
Could it be Joyce might be clearing out his desk at that time?
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Rod Eddington experienced a similar
situation as CEO of BA (thousands of
job losses) and now
he is Non-Executive Chairman of JP MORGAN,
Australia And New Zealand, who happens
to be QF's largest shareholder and
who also supported LC as chairman (the man
who busted the unions at Rio whilst CEO and who
walked away with a $15 M defined benefit
payout).
The QANTAS story has a script and it's
playing out as written.
situation as CEO of BA (thousands of
job losses) and now
he is Non-Executive Chairman of JP MORGAN,
Australia And New Zealand, who happens
to be QF's largest shareholder and
who also supported LC as chairman (the man
who busted the unions at Rio whilst CEO and who
walked away with a $15 M defined benefit
payout).
The QANTAS story has a script and it's
playing out as written.
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Alan is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
His leadership style is abhorrent.
I recall him calling for his workforce to take action. Signing an online petition in his fairgo4qantas campaign last November.
Three months later and media reports have him (reportedly) making 1000's of these employees redundant.
MC.
His leadership style is abhorrent.
I recall him calling for his workforce to take action. Signing an online petition in his fairgo4qantas campaign last November.
Three months later and media reports have him (reportedly) making 1000's of these employees redundant.
MC.
Alan's Happy
Govt guaranteeing QF debt.
Bonuses all around - well done boys and girls, now we cannot lose and can bask in the glory of a well deserved win.
SMH:
Why strive for excellence when incompetence gets so richly rewarded?
Bonuses all around - well done boys and girls, now we cannot lose and can bask in the glory of a well deserved win.
SMH:
The federal government is set to provide Qantas with a debt guarantee, meaning taxpayers will underwrite the airline's push to increase its foreign ownership.
The plan also increases pressure on the Labor opposition by making the removal of the guarantee conditional upon allowing the airline access to greater foreign capital investment.
The move would make the public liable for Qantas borrowings in the event of default.
It is the first part of a bigger plan to allow majority foreign ownership of the airline.
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The Commonwealth debt guarantee would remain for as long as the national carrier remains restricted from being majority foreign-owned by the terms of its previous privatisation.
Fairfax Media understands the government is also willing to consider relaxing stipulations in the act which require the airline to carry out the majority of repairs and maintenance in Australia.
Qantas is set to announce major half-year losses on Thursday.
The government is bracing for a bad result, aware that it could lead to thousands of job losses in aviation on top of a slew of recent closures in the manufacturing sector.
Transport Minister Warren Truss said the government would now move on the Qantas Sale Act despite opposition in the Senate which he had earlier acknowledged would make such a move futile.
Mr Truss said the act had distorted the market and inhibited the airline's ability to grow.
''We have indicated an interest in being prepared to seek to legislate to take away the legislative and government-imposed disadvantages that Qantas faces on the domestic market,'' he said.
''We are working on legislation to achieve that.
''The government is philosophically attracted to levelling the playing field.''
His announcement came as Prime Minister Tony Abbott told the party room the government would no longer be the ''ATM of last resort'' for struggling Australian businesses.
Mr Abbott told colleagues it took courage for government to knock back requests for assistance from Australian businesses, as it has recently done with SPC Ardmona and Holden, but ''if you say yes, you will have a queue a mile long''.
Any move to change the QSA, which limits Qantas to 49 per cent foreign ownership, foreign airlines to a maximum 35 per cent stake and any single foreign shareholder to a 25 per cent stake, would likely be blocked in the Senate, which is dominated by Labor and the Greens, and the next Senate which will sit from July 1.
Fairfax Media revealed two weeks ago that Treasurer Joe Hockey was prepared to throw a
lifeline to Qantas in the form of a government-backed debt guarantee, which would give the airline access to cheaper finance.
In parliament, Mr Abbott said if the opposition was ''fair dinkum'' about wanting to help Qantas, it would back moves to repeal the carbon tax, which had cost the airline $106 million last year.
Qantas refused to confirm reports it would axe 5000 jobs and sell its terminal at Melbourne Airport to show the government it is willing to make tough changes to its business practices in exchange for federal funding. The airline acknowledged it would make ''tough decisions'' to achieve $2 billion in savings over three years.
Mr Hockey said on Tuesday the threat of job cuts was ''very serious'' but had to be dealt with by the airline alone.
''Qantas has to run its own company. It's not for the government to run Qantas,'' he said.
The Qantas Sale Act requires the airline to keep most of its maintenance, catering, flight operations and training facilities for its international services in Australia.
Labor and the Greens have both vowed to oppose the changes, with six Labor MPs speaking against the plan in caucus on Tuesday. One Liberal MP also spoke against the changes, arguing Qantas was already an ''8800 pound gorilla'' and would become a ''Godzilla'' if the changes went through.
The plan also increases pressure on the Labor opposition by making the removal of the guarantee conditional upon allowing the airline access to greater foreign capital investment.
The move would make the public liable for Qantas borrowings in the event of default.
It is the first part of a bigger plan to allow majority foreign ownership of the airline.
Advertisement
The Commonwealth debt guarantee would remain for as long as the national carrier remains restricted from being majority foreign-owned by the terms of its previous privatisation.
Fairfax Media understands the government is also willing to consider relaxing stipulations in the act which require the airline to carry out the majority of repairs and maintenance in Australia.
Qantas is set to announce major half-year losses on Thursday.
The government is bracing for a bad result, aware that it could lead to thousands of job losses in aviation on top of a slew of recent closures in the manufacturing sector.
Transport Minister Warren Truss said the government would now move on the Qantas Sale Act despite opposition in the Senate which he had earlier acknowledged would make such a move futile.
Mr Truss said the act had distorted the market and inhibited the airline's ability to grow.
''We have indicated an interest in being prepared to seek to legislate to take away the legislative and government-imposed disadvantages that Qantas faces on the domestic market,'' he said.
''We are working on legislation to achieve that.
''The government is philosophically attracted to levelling the playing field.''
His announcement came as Prime Minister Tony Abbott told the party room the government would no longer be the ''ATM of last resort'' for struggling Australian businesses.
Mr Abbott told colleagues it took courage for government to knock back requests for assistance from Australian businesses, as it has recently done with SPC Ardmona and Holden, but ''if you say yes, you will have a queue a mile long''.
Any move to change the QSA, which limits Qantas to 49 per cent foreign ownership, foreign airlines to a maximum 35 per cent stake and any single foreign shareholder to a 25 per cent stake, would likely be blocked in the Senate, which is dominated by Labor and the Greens, and the next Senate which will sit from July 1.
Fairfax Media revealed two weeks ago that Treasurer Joe Hockey was prepared to throw a
lifeline to Qantas in the form of a government-backed debt guarantee, which would give the airline access to cheaper finance.
In parliament, Mr Abbott said if the opposition was ''fair dinkum'' about wanting to help Qantas, it would back moves to repeal the carbon tax, which had cost the airline $106 million last year.
Qantas refused to confirm reports it would axe 5000 jobs and sell its terminal at Melbourne Airport to show the government it is willing to make tough changes to its business practices in exchange for federal funding. The airline acknowledged it would make ''tough decisions'' to achieve $2 billion in savings over three years.
Mr Hockey said on Tuesday the threat of job cuts was ''very serious'' but had to be dealt with by the airline alone.
''Qantas has to run its own company. It's not for the government to run Qantas,'' he said.
The Qantas Sale Act requires the airline to keep most of its maintenance, catering, flight operations and training facilities for its international services in Australia.
Labor and the Greens have both vowed to oppose the changes, with six Labor MPs speaking against the plan in caucus on Tuesday. One Liberal MP also spoke against the changes, arguing Qantas was already an ''8800 pound gorilla'' and would become a ''Godzilla'' if the changes went through.
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if this report is true - the conservative govt will be a one term govt. I have lived, voted and espoused free market principles all of my life and this reported decision, if true, does not reflect those of a conservative govt. I feel for Qantas, it's staff, the history and the brand, but the CEO's (yes the real one!!!) preoccupation with JQ has been self-inflicted and therefore the consequences need to follow those poor decisions.
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The move would make the public liable for Qantas borrowings in the event of default.
Why should my taxes go to supporting AJ LC et al in their failed strategy?
Leigh Clifford is the guy pouring personal money into Tony Abbots party, gratefully accepted no doubt, and with a Chairman's club membership for extended family to boot??
As an earlier poster noted, Abbots 'Get your house in order QF' comments are a meal ticket to AJ,........partly paid for by LC?
I suppose one day Abbott, Joyce, Hockey, Abetz and Clifford (and more) will look back and laugh......loyal hard working QF staff will be mere 'collateral' as far as they are concerned....
Why should my taxes go to supporting AJ LC et al in their failed strategy?
Leigh Clifford is the guy pouring personal money into Tony Abbots party, gratefully accepted no doubt, and with a Chairman's club membership for extended family to boot??
As an earlier poster noted, Abbots 'Get your house in order QF' comments are a meal ticket to AJ,........partly paid for by LC?
I suppose one day Abbott, Joyce, Hockey, Abetz and Clifford (and more) will look back and laugh......loyal hard working QF staff will be mere 'collateral' as far as they are concerned....