MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
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You mean that they are going to drag this train smash out even further.
(In response to Master Caution's post)
(In response to Master Caution's post)
You mean that they are going to drag this train smash even further.
Just appreciate and enjoy what you've got and let the rest happen around you, otherwise they win.
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Dear Qantas Executive Managers,
Can you please read the document in the link which is a summary of W. Edward Demmings view's on Western (American/Australian) management. Demming is but one of the gurus who assisted Japan become an industrial power house after WW2 and helped the beginnings of what has become the Toyota production system.
As indicated in the text, 94% of the problems firms face aren't the staff, it is the system the staff are given to work in. The system is the responsibility of management. This is a must read and the only way Australia can have a decent future - the opportunity is now:
http://symplicity.ca/wp-content/uplo...-14-points.pdf
Can you please read the document in the link which is a summary of W. Edward Demmings view's on Western (American/Australian) management. Demming is but one of the gurus who assisted Japan become an industrial power house after WW2 and helped the beginnings of what has become the Toyota production system.
As indicated in the text, 94% of the problems firms face aren't the staff, it is the system the staff are given to work in. The system is the responsibility of management. This is a must read and the only way Australia can have a decent future - the opportunity is now:
http://symplicity.ca/wp-content/uplo...-14-points.pdf
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I watched the last few AGM's and I'm certainly not expecting anything of substance.
Originally Posted by Leigh Clifford
Qantas Domestic, Jetstar and Qantas Loyalty were all profitable. And the turnaround of Qantas International is on track, with losses cut in half during the year.
The Group’s progress was marked by a number of important achievements.
A major new partnership between Qantas and Emirates.
Strong earnings in the competitive domestic market.
Originally Posted by Alan Joyce
We are working on all fronts to build a stronger Qantas Group – one that can grow and succeed in the 21st century aviation industry.
We have a clear strategy to strengthen our domestic business; turn around Qantas International; build Jetstar in Asia; and broaden Qantas Loyalty.
This strategy is delivering results – though there is still a long way to go.
We can reflect with satisfaction on the Group’s achievements in financial year 2013.
Qantas Domestic, Jetstar and Qantas Loyalty were all profitable. And the turnaround of Qantas International is on track, with losses cut in half during the year.
The Group’s progress was marked by a number of important achievements.
A major new partnership between Qantas and Emirates.
Strong earnings in the competitive domestic market.
Originally Posted by Alan Joyce
We are working on all fronts to build a stronger Qantas Group – one that can grow and succeed in the 21st century aviation industry.
We have a clear strategy to strengthen our domestic business; turn around Qantas International; build Jetstar in Asia; and broaden Qantas Loyalty.
This strategy is delivering results – though there is still a long way to go.
We can reflect with satisfaction on the Group’s achievements in financial year 2013.
I'm actually starting to think that the QF Executives will just want to get thru the week with their jobs intact
Unfortunately tommorow's Herald sun quoting a potential 5000 jobs under threat across the entire business including Jetstar. The number "changing every day".
Defiantly curious to see where they go with Jetstar. The Singapore based business can't keep up the ultra LCC's of Tiger and AirAsia, which has produced 10 years of losses.
Defiantly curious to see where they go with Jetstar. The Singapore based business can't keep up the ultra LCC's of Tiger and AirAsia, which has produced 10 years of losses.
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I would love to know where all these job numbers are coming from. If these so call reporters don't actually know, I wish they would shut up. It must be awful for the staff. And being ex 89, I know exactly how that feels.
So what are the odds?
Alan resigning? No way, wouldn't get a job managing a 711, will be dragged out kicking and screaming. I'm paying $3 if he voluntarily goes.
Leigh resigning? Possible, been very quiet so may sneak out the back door hoping no one will see, but then again $700k a year for doing nothing. I'm paying $1.50.
Lyall resigning? Some leaked future powerpoints show him demoted, likely to bail out soon to try and avoid the rising stench. My guess $1.10
Simon resigning? Another that has been pretty quiet enjoying 4mths off recently, so might fade away unnoticed. Then again, could be plotting a coup $1.20.
Liv resigning? For sure if labour any chance next election, already got plans to redecorate the lodge, gothic theme I understand. $1.05
Alan resigning? No way, wouldn't get a job managing a 711, will be dragged out kicking and screaming. I'm paying $3 if he voluntarily goes.
Leigh resigning? Possible, been very quiet so may sneak out the back door hoping no one will see, but then again $700k a year for doing nothing. I'm paying $1.50.
Lyall resigning? Some leaked future powerpoints show him demoted, likely to bail out soon to try and avoid the rising stench. My guess $1.10
Simon resigning? Another that has been pretty quiet enjoying 4mths off recently, so might fade away unnoticed. Then again, could be plotting a coup $1.20.
Liv resigning? For sure if labour any chance next election, already got plans to redecorate the lodge, gothic theme I understand. $1.05
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I have just choked on my drink. Are you seriously telling me the chairman of Qantas gets 700k? 700k for doing exactly what?
I am really starting to believe there is no hope. I mean when you are paying someone 700k, to do nothing but lower the share price to around $1.00, cut routes and basically destroy the airline, what hope is there?
I am really starting to believe there is no hope. I mean when you are paying someone 700k, to do nothing but lower the share price to around $1.00, cut routes and basically destroy the airline, what hope is there?
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Qantas set to axe 5000 jobs as massive loss looms
7:20 AM Tuesday Feb 25, 2014
Qantas is about to announce massive financial losses this week, with the potential for up to 5000 job losses.
Qantas is set to axe up to 5000 jobs in response to massive financial losses.
The airline is also reportedly trying to sell the lease on its terminal at Melbourne Airport.
Qantas is expected to post a loss of up to $300 million for the first half of the 2013/14 financial year when it announces its financial results later this week.
Job cuts, previously forecast to be 2000, are now expected to be closer to 5000, News Corp Australia has reported.
It said 1500 of those jobs could come from the executive and support divisions of the Qantas group, and a large number of jobs would be abolished by the end of March.
Final job numbers could change before Thursday, the report says.
The airline has also reportedly been negotiating to sell the long-term lease for its Melbourne Airport terminal.
Sources at the airline said negotiations relating to the future of Qantas' Melbourne lease are continuing.
Qantas last week denied market speculation it was planning to cut up to 3000 jobs, as well as shed overseas routes.
7:20 AM Tuesday Feb 25, 2014
Qantas is about to announce massive financial losses this week, with the potential for up to 5000 job losses.
Qantas is set to axe up to 5000 jobs in response to massive financial losses.
The airline is also reportedly trying to sell the lease on its terminal at Melbourne Airport.
Qantas is expected to post a loss of up to $300 million for the first half of the 2013/14 financial year when it announces its financial results later this week.
Job cuts, previously forecast to be 2000, are now expected to be closer to 5000, News Corp Australia has reported.
It said 1500 of those jobs could come from the executive and support divisions of the Qantas group, and a large number of jobs would be abolished by the end of March.
Final job numbers could change before Thursday, the report says.
The airline has also reportedly been negotiating to sell the long-term lease for its Melbourne Airport terminal.
Sources at the airline said negotiations relating to the future of Qantas' Melbourne lease are continuing.
Qantas last week denied market speculation it was planning to cut up to 3000 jobs, as well as shed overseas routes.
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Me to Sops. But at least the kill was quick for us, these poor buggers have been in limbo for some time, and been fed little bits of info from the head office, to annoy, antagonise, and morally destroy. Like a cat with a mouse. At least Hawke and Ableles, made it plain they were going to destroy us, and destroy us they did. Looking back it was apparent it was a class war as much as anything else. After that, whoever thought it would come to this?
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"We would like to see only one job loss on Thursday, that's the CEO Alan Joyce"
Steve Purvinas ch 9 Today show just now.
Well said Steve, great interview, measured and succinct.
Steve Purvinas ch 9 Today show just now.
Well said Steve, great interview, measured and succinct.
from various articles...
no great loss there...:roll eyes:
A Qantas source said the numbers had moved “a bit every day’’ in recent weeks as decisions were finalised, but that the figure of 5000 had firmed up in recent days.
The Herald Sun has been told up to 1500 of those jobs could come from the executive and support divisions of the Qantas group.
A Qantas source said the numbers had moved “a bit every day’’ in recent weeks as decisions were finalised, but that the figure of 5000 had firmed up in recent days.
Budget offshoot Jetstar now seems likely to face similar cuts, with staff and routes under threat.
Would have liked to see SP's interview - any link or transcript??
This is concerning.
Obviously not as concerning as the total incompetence and lunacy displayed every day in so many ways for the last 10ish years, but nonetheless does anyone else read that as showing (again) they don't know what they are doing?
'numbers moved "a bit every day" and 'as decisions were finalised'???
This, the MMMLXXCCCIIIV Glorious V year Plan/Pillar has been in the works for how long? And they STILL haven't got it finalised???
This is the clearest vision inside the boardroom we have had for ages/ever and it really displays to me management on the run. This is not calmly putting strategies into place, this (to me at least) simply shows panic.
My guess from those two lovely sound bites is not that they are carefully going through every part of the company, but will be in the Boardroom until 0200 EDST 27th throwing paper around in a panic STILL trying to work out what the hell they are going to do. I see AJ in a hell of a flap....
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I read this with interest in the Australian this morning. Search for the article under 'Singo has news for incompetent Fairfax'. I do NOT think Singo has any place in airlines, but I liked this summation of Fairfax and think it suits Qf just as well. It would seem Australia has way too many management guru's just like BGA and not nearly enough who actually know what they are doing:
PS: I do think his language could be a little less colourful (why is everyone in Australian business desperate to sound like Kerry Packer?) but the analysis could be levelled at Qantas to a 'T' - especially with regard to consultants. If you REALLY don't know what you are doing, pay someone else to tell you! I should try that with my next cyclic!! It just beggars belief!
This is concerning.
A Qantas source said the numbers had moved “a bit every day’’ in recent weeks as decisions were finalised, but that the figure of 5000 had firmed up in recent days.
'numbers moved "a bit every day" and 'as decisions were finalised'???
This, the MMMLXXCCCIIIV Glorious V year Plan/Pillar has been in the works for how long? And they STILL haven't got it finalised???
This is the clearest vision inside the boardroom we have had for ages/ever and it really displays to me management on the run. This is not calmly putting strategies into place, this (to me at least) simply shows panic.
My guess from those two lovely sound bites is not that they are carefully going through every part of the company, but will be in the Boardroom until 0200 EDST 27th throwing paper around in a panic STILL trying to work out what the hell they are going to do. I see AJ in a hell of a flap....
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I read this with interest in the Australian this morning. Search for the article under 'Singo has news for incompetent Fairfax'. I do NOT think Singo has any place in airlines, but I liked this summation of Fairfax and think it suits Qf just as well. It would seem Australia has way too many management guru's just like BGA and not nearly enough who actually know what they are doing:
Singleton said there had been disastrous leadership from the board of Fairfax, led by Hywood and Corbett.
"Here we have what was a No. 2 media company in Australia and we've watched it disappear before our very eyes," he said.
"We've had to put up with Fred Hilmer, Conrad Black -- and just when you think you can't make matters worse, you get Roger Corbett.
"He goes in and he hires Greg Hywood. Where from? From Tourism Victoria. And does he make a decision? No. He hires management consultants."
Singleton attacked Fairfax's business operations, saying the only decent asset they had was Domain, which Fairfax is understood to be considering floating or selling for $500 million.
He criticised The Sydney Morning Herald for having a paucity of retail advertisements in its newspaper, and predicted the Australian Financial Review would be shut within a year.
"There are third-rate wankers in charge of destroying Fairfax," Singleton said.
"They will both (Corbett and Hywood) be gone in a year.
"Roger Corbett is as dead as Fairfax as far as I'm concerned.
"I'm going to watch it (Fairfax) die slowly.
"I'll wait til they are absolutely f . . ked and buy it off the receivers."
Macquarie is strong in the Sydney market, with 2GB's ratings wiping out its commercial AM and FM rivals, including Fairfax's 2UE.
"Here we have what was a No. 2 media company in Australia and we've watched it disappear before our very eyes," he said.
"We've had to put up with Fred Hilmer, Conrad Black -- and just when you think you can't make matters worse, you get Roger Corbett.
"He goes in and he hires Greg Hywood. Where from? From Tourism Victoria. And does he make a decision? No. He hires management consultants."
Singleton attacked Fairfax's business operations, saying the only decent asset they had was Domain, which Fairfax is understood to be considering floating or selling for $500 million.
He criticised The Sydney Morning Herald for having a paucity of retail advertisements in its newspaper, and predicted the Australian Financial Review would be shut within a year.
"There are third-rate wankers in charge of destroying Fairfax," Singleton said.
"They will both (Corbett and Hywood) be gone in a year.
"Roger Corbett is as dead as Fairfax as far as I'm concerned.
"I'm going to watch it (Fairfax) die slowly.
"I'll wait til they are absolutely f . . ked and buy it off the receivers."
Macquarie is strong in the Sydney market, with 2GB's ratings wiping out its commercial AM and FM rivals, including Fairfax's 2UE.
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V Jet.
You obviously don't know the Qantas board.
They will be jetting in over today & tomorrow.
All expenses paid including first class accommodation.
Not confirmed. But probably a guarantee that the will join Leigh Clifford on the evening of the 26th for drinks & dinner to celebrate another successful year on the job.
The same has happened pre every other AGM.
There will be no restraint on the cost of the celebration whilst AJ prepares for potential job losses "across the board"
They should hang their heads in shame to their irrational exhubarance in such a "difficult operating environment" and demonstrate some leadership.
MC.
You obviously don't know the Qantas board.
They will be jetting in over today & tomorrow.
All expenses paid including first class accommodation.
Not confirmed. But probably a guarantee that the will join Leigh Clifford on the evening of the 26th for drinks & dinner to celebrate another successful year on the job.
The same has happened pre every other AGM.
There will be no restraint on the cost of the celebration whilst AJ prepares for potential job losses "across the board"
They should hang their heads in shame to their irrational exhubarance in such a "difficult operating environment" and demonstrate some leadership.
MC.
MC: Sickening as that is, I wouldn't mind that so much if they actually ran the place! I am hoping they do at least have a plan and not a mish mash of off the cuff last minute decisions. Thanks for insight - fortunately I already had my weeties or they would have been projectiled across the breakfast table.
S&B: Very interesting re Thurs pm...
S&B: Very interesting re Thurs pm...
Nunc est bibendum
If they reduce J* routes and overseas ventures perhaps that is the capacity they need to replace the supposed accelerated retirement of the 767. Also provides the answer as to how they're going to cart freight around the domestic network when the 767 is gone.