MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
There are obviously quite a few who do not understand how voting for the Senate takes place. I guess ignorance is bliss, and allows the uninformed to spruik their nonsense. 
Back to matters aviation. If a certain union official was really on top of his brief, and had all the facts at hand, why was he apparently ignorant of Virgin Australia having major maintenance performed in Singapore and Manila? Surely his members were aware and kept him up to date, especially as he has so much to say about Qantas' off-shore activities?
Back to matters aviation. If a certain union official was really on top of his brief, and had all the facts at hand, why was he apparently ignorant of Virgin Australia having major maintenance performed in Singapore and Manila? Surely his members were aware and kept him up to date, especially as he has so much to say about Qantas' off-shore activities?
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I believe it was a senate enquiry into Qantas not virgin. I'm sure he would have brought more stuff if he knew he was going to be asked about everybody else And qantas.
I believe it was a senate enquiry into Qantas not virgin. I'm sure he would have brought more stuff if he knew he was going to be asked about everybody else And qantas.
Aveng,
I realise the purpose of the enquirey but a certain union official kept banging on about VA having its maintenance checks limited to NZ and Portugal. If he makes a claim, it needs to be correct. He was found wanting - embarrassingly so.
The Bullwinkle,
No, I'm not AJ but I'd settle for just half of his annual salary etc.
I realise the purpose of the enquirey but a certain union official kept banging on about VA having its maintenance checks limited to NZ and Portugal. If he makes a claim, it needs to be correct. He was found wanting - embarrassingly so.
The Bullwinkle,
No, I'm not AJ but I'd settle for just half of his annual salary etc.
The Bullwinkle,
I am not pre-occupied with Virgin. What I don't like to see is mis-perception, either intended or unintended. The ALAEA has been very critical of Qantas for having some of its heavy maintenance done off-shore. On the other hand, it's been quite uncritical of Virgin having all of its HM performed off-shore. In fact, it has understated the extent Virgin's off-shore maintenance. I'll give the Secretary the benefit of the doubt when he says he wasn't aware of some of it, but for someone in his position, that's a pretty lame (sorry, the pun was unintended) excuse. I like to see the facts correctly put.
Aeromedic,
WTF would I do that? Or, why would I want to?
I am not pre-occupied with Virgin. What I don't like to see is mis-perception, either intended or unintended. The ALAEA has been very critical of Qantas for having some of its heavy maintenance done off-shore. On the other hand, it's been quite uncritical of Virgin having all of its HM performed off-shore. In fact, it has understated the extent Virgin's off-shore maintenance. I'll give the Secretary the benefit of the doubt when he says he wasn't aware of some of it, but for someone in his position, that's a pretty lame (sorry, the pun was unintended) excuse. I like to see the facts correctly put.
Aeromedic,
WTF would I do that? Or, why would I want to?
Ken,
I'm pretty sure Steve said that mainrenace was done in NZ (for Virgin that is) because that was where they could get it done quickly as they started their business. He also said they were bringing it back 'on shore' and starting an aprentice scheme.
I'm pretty sure Steve said that mainrenace was done in NZ (for Virgin that is) because that was where they could get it done quickly as they started their business. He also said they were bringing it back 'on shore' and starting an aprentice scheme.
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I like to see the facts correctly put.
Actually, we know less about the future of Qantas now than we did 6 months ago. But my guess is if the 49% is abolished in the QSA then domestic will be sold off to foreign lands and international will be shut down and the assets sold off. Consider AJs continues rhetoric over the last few years in regard to international. Things like "international is in terminal decline" and " we will not invest in international until it provides positive returns on its capital". These all indicate that they just are happy to watch international wither away, and with the 49% removed even more interest will be lost as it will be about flogging off internationals aircraft, putting the cash in the domestic coffers and making domestic more attractive for potential purchasers.
Yes, it would be good if AJ answered his questions directly. At least his workforce may then be able to move on and plan for a future instead of us all living each day with chopping sword hanging over our heads.
The really honest answer we wanted from AJ when asked "what would it take for you to resign Mr Joyce?" the number 1 response should have been "at the present moment the board is seeking expressions of interest from suitable candidates to take my position, so as soon as the process is complete I will announce my resignation".
Now that would have been a factual answer we would have all enjoyed and music to your "supportive" employees ears.
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Good post Stalin ,
Redundancy is no problem, the problem is whether the company goes tits up, and that's pretty sad....
Redundancy is no problem, the problem is whether the company goes tits up, and that's pretty sad....
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Alan Joyce Economics Legislation Committee - 18/03/2014 - Qantas Sale Amendment Bill
Sorry that this has taken so long, but over the weekend I will post the full four hours, once I get it all processed, I think there are a lot of unanswered questions, more than ever before.. I really don't know where Qantas is headed.. under this leadership.. it's a bit scary..
Transcript here for your convenience,
ParlInfo - Economics Legislation Committee : 18/03/2014 : Qantas Sale Amendment Bill 2014
and for those who missed it, a must watch
more to come....
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Transcript here for your convenience,
ParlInfo - Economics Legislation Committee : 18/03/2014 : Qantas Sale Amendment Bill 2014
and for those who missed it, a must watch
more to come....
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WTF would I do that? Or, why would I want to?
WTF would I do that? Or, why would I want to?
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hmmm I would think rolling around on the floor in fits of laughter would be more accurate. Qantas couldn't organise a chook raffle under current management. I would wait for the required approval from local govt. before I put too much of a spin on it, then wait to see where they can find some slots
.... 2 years later, the only change is 9 planes parked in France (copied from fragrant harbour post # 2)
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hmmm I would think rolling around on the floor in fits of laughter would be more accurate. Qantas couldn't organise a chook raffle under current management. I would wait for the required approval from local govt. before I put too much of a spin on it, then wait to see where they can find some slots
.... 2 years later, the only change is 9 planes parked in France (copied from fragrant harbour post # 2)
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TIMA9X,
Unbelievable that Joyce and co. cannot advise the senate of their plan to move forward if the QSA is repealed.
Knowing what you are able to do after that is critical, yet all Joyce can offer is "It's a hypothetical" . The senators have to wring information from him form the continuous mantra of "All we want is level playing field...." in most answers.
I'm just intrigued in the statements of having "spoken to the shareholders in the last few weeks" that he has their support. As far as any public airing of this information is concerned, I haven't seen any.
Ken,
Noted.
Unbelievable that Joyce and co. cannot advise the senate of their plan to move forward if the QSA is repealed.
Knowing what you are able to do after that is critical, yet all Joyce can offer is "It's a hypothetical" . The senators have to wring information from him form the continuous mantra of "All we want is level playing field...." in most answers.
I'm just intrigued in the statements of having "spoken to the shareholders in the last few weeks" that he has their support. As far as any public airing of this information is concerned, I haven't seen any.
Ken,
Noted.
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The clue is in Alan being able to get away with not answering the question.
I can't help but feel that most of these senators don't want to upset the Qantas applecart and compromise their privileged access to Qantas's airport lounges in any way, that's how it is with most politicians unfortunately. Pity there may not even be a Qantas airport lounge for them in the future, but that argument remains invisible to the short term thinkers.
I also find it rather disingenuous for the senate inquiry to simply take Alan's word on many things without presentation of evidence including the support he claims he has.
The QSA is being presented to the senators as an archaic business safety instrument that is no longer relevant to modern corporate business practices and is indeed a hindrance to making a profit thus should be repealed. But what do senators know about running an airline? Embarrassingly, the same question can be said of Alan and his board.
It's looking like it's going to be an ugly pillage of Qantas leaving the government to deal with the empty carcass of the former flagship carrier while Sol Trujello Mk2, oops I meant Alan Joyce takes his money and does a runner back to Ireland.
I can't help but feel that most of these senators don't want to upset the Qantas applecart and compromise their privileged access to Qantas's airport lounges in any way, that's how it is with most politicians unfortunately. Pity there may not even be a Qantas airport lounge for them in the future, but that argument remains invisible to the short term thinkers.
I also find it rather disingenuous for the senate inquiry to simply take Alan's word on many things without presentation of evidence including the support he claims he has.
The QSA is being presented to the senators as an archaic business safety instrument that is no longer relevant to modern corporate business practices and is indeed a hindrance to making a profit thus should be repealed. But what do senators know about running an airline? Embarrassingly, the same question can be said of Alan and his board.
It's looking like it's going to be an ugly pillage of Qantas leaving the government to deal with the empty carcass of the former flagship carrier while Sol Trujello Mk2, oops I meant Alan Joyce takes his money and does a runner back to Ireland.
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This whole ****fight!
I am not a smart man, Jennyy!
Just, being the avio tragic that I am, observing FR24 noticing all the flights heading out of OZ to SE Asin destinations on Emirates metal. While I have no candour for Joyce's machinations, could it be percieved that we have let the cat out of the bag here? Why can a West Asian operation fly direct East Asia?(from aus?) This must be approved by international protocols to which we are a party. Have we been that short sighted? My question includes crew as well as management! I would suggest that our representation has been thrown a wildly swinging curveball, and the leprechaun never saw it coming!
Just, being the avio tragic that I am, observing FR24 noticing all the flights heading out of OZ to SE Asin destinations on Emirates metal. While I have no candour for Joyce's machinations, could it be percieved that we have let the cat out of the bag here? Why can a West Asian operation fly direct East Asia?(from aus?) This must be approved by international protocols to which we are a party. Have we been that short sighted? My question includes crew as well as management! I would suggest that our representation has been thrown a wildly swinging curveball, and the leprechaun never saw it coming!
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