Skullduggery in the utopian world of DeeJay Flight ops
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Great stuff, Captain Kremin. 
BTW, I'm not an 'outsider'. I've worked in aviation for some years now and regularly deal with people from a number of airlines, large and small. I'm not a pilot and have never pretended to be (though I did take lessons for a while) but I'm thoroughly familiar with ground ops, both GA and RPT.
Like many inflammatory BB posters (here and elsewhere) your posts have a careful lack of personal examples, recollections and similar, which IME are the hallmarks of good-faith posters, even those who disagree with the forum's majority view. Jetblast has a number of good examples; tragic lefties
but undeniably genuine tragic lefties who cite examples, references and contribute to an informed and enjoyable debate. All you seem to be able to do is insult people.
You've also managed to turn one of the few non-Q threads into... A Qantas thread
BTW, I'm not an 'outsider'. I've worked in aviation for some years now and regularly deal with people from a number of airlines, large and small. I'm not a pilot and have never pretended to be (though I did take lessons for a while) but I'm thoroughly familiar with ground ops, both GA and RPT.
Like many inflammatory BB posters (here and elsewhere) your posts have a careful lack of personal examples, recollections and similar, which IME are the hallmarks of good-faith posters, even those who disagree with the forum's majority view. Jetblast has a number of good examples; tragic lefties
but undeniably genuine tragic lefties who cite examples, references and contribute to an informed and enjoyable debate. All you seem to be able to do is insult people.You've also managed to turn one of the few non-Q threads into... A Qantas thread
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Conspiracty Theorists - Sorry you are wrong
Well well well, the conspiracy theorists have been busy. Just gotta love how a post can get so far off the track.
To all those who tried to divert the post. For the record, it has nothing, I say again nothing to do with QANTAS so bugger off, there are more important things in life than QF.
For the rest, hell bent on convincing themselves this is a putsch or perhaps the work of a fifth column, I hate to disappoint. This is a matter of right and wrong, common decency, unprofessional management, an unbelievable miscarriage of justice and blatantly selective regulation (no I don’t work for Tiger, QANTAS or VA and there is no chance I would ever work for the regulator).
In any organisation that supports just culture, it is acknowledged that "to err is human" and the appropriate response is to admit ones shortcomings and remedy the situation whilst learning from the experience. However for some reason (megalomania?) the anointed few at DJ consider themselves beyond reproach and rather than acknowledging the shortcomings, have circled the wagons to protect the guilty, while victimising and intimidating the innocent in the hope the problem will magically disappear, leaving them free to build bigger castles.
Aside from the gross miscarriage of justice, this reprehensible behaviour would normally preclude a candidate from being deemed fit and proper, yet for some reason it is perfectly acceptable in paradise.
To all those who tried to divert the post. For the record, it has nothing, I say again nothing to do with QANTAS so bugger off, there are more important things in life than QF.
For the rest, hell bent on convincing themselves this is a putsch or perhaps the work of a fifth column, I hate to disappoint. This is a matter of right and wrong, common decency, unprofessional management, an unbelievable miscarriage of justice and blatantly selective regulation (no I don’t work for Tiger, QANTAS or VA and there is no chance I would ever work for the regulator).
In any organisation that supports just culture, it is acknowledged that "to err is human" and the appropriate response is to admit ones shortcomings and remedy the situation whilst learning from the experience. However for some reason (megalomania?) the anointed few at DJ consider themselves beyond reproach and rather than acknowledging the shortcomings, have circled the wagons to protect the guilty, while victimising and intimidating the innocent in the hope the problem will magically disappear, leaving them free to build bigger castles.
Aside from the gross miscarriage of justice, this reprehensible behaviour would normally preclude a candidate from being deemed fit and proper, yet for some reason it is perfectly acceptable in paradise.
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Jimbo, what you describe is nothing new within DJ old friend. Same style of crap has been going on from day one. I bailed from AN to start with DJ at the birth of the company. Let me tell you a secret, DJ managed to mold itself in 2 years the same level of politics, mates rates, nepotism and empty promises that took AN 40 years to master.
The issues you raise were going on in 2000 and nothing has changed today and it won't change tomorrow.
The issues you raise were going on in 2000 and nothing has changed today and it won't change tomorrow.
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Well said Capt. Kremin, and may I add, us old pilots, yes us, who got the bid system going, who got us finally a fair wage, who flew aircraft that many of you would now laugh at, yes us, who forged routes, who made management get their act together over accomodation, (they used to put us in cabin style barracks two to a room if we were lucky) yes us who were the backbone of the industry and were glad to pass on to the next generation of pilots what we had learnt, what we had achieved, when most of you were in nappies or not even born. We had pride in our aircraft, and in our company, management was mainly run by pilots and engineers, and they ran it superbly, and our wish was to hand over to the next generation like Capt Kremin and his ilk and sit then sit back and be glad it was all in safe hands, and Australian pilots would continue the safety and standards that were set by the best people you could imagine. We never imagined that airlines like TAA and Ansett would cease to exist, we could never imagine QF would come under the threat it faces now, and I am glad that some people I knew that gave 110% are now no longer alive to witness the stuggle of their airline to survive. After reading CK's blog I feel some hope it was not all for nothing.
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Village Inquisition claims first scalp
But for the serious ramifications, it would be hilarious to watch the length’s some people go to protect their position. Torquemada and his henchmen have claimed the first scalp in their quest to protect not only themselves, but also, the diseased and malevolent culture they represent.
Allegedly, the Human Factors manger is to be replaced by a well-credentialed theorist, lacking in practical experience (the fallout from which should be interesting), yet a friend of the henchman, and all sanctioned by the Borgwan.
Speaking of henchman, any concept of probity has long disappeared from the standards department, which has become a law unto itself.
A classic case of the tail wagging the dog?
So, what’s the point of this? It’s not rocket science; most employees have low expectations of management. They do however, expect consistency, competency based advancement, and above all respect.
All bets aside, one could easily deduce this is little more than an internal squabble between inept management, the battle of the minnows...
Allegedly, the Human Factors manger is to be replaced by a well-credentialed theorist, lacking in practical experience (the fallout from which should be interesting), yet a friend of the henchman, and all sanctioned by the Borgwan.
Speaking of henchman, any concept of probity has long disappeared from the standards department, which has become a law unto itself.
A classic case of the tail wagging the dog?
So, what’s the point of this? It’s not rocket science; most employees have low expectations of management. They do however, expect consistency, competency based advancement, and above all respect.
All bets aside, one could easily deduce this is little more than an internal squabble between inept management, the battle of the minnows...
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The boil has been lanced
It will take the scalp of more than one person in DJ to get rid of all the rot. The fish rots from the head.
Borghetti's initial cleansing did not go far enough, and much of the crap still remains.
Jimbo, any update on the CASA audit results? I heard some very interesting reports and rumours out of the engineering area, not good!
Also heard a rumour that the safety department is in tatters, too many years of mismanagement by long term twits out of their league. Even some of the more recent imports are meant to be totally useless?
Borghetti's initial cleansing did not go far enough, and much of the crap still remains.
Jimbo, any update on the CASA audit results? I heard some very interesting reports and rumours out of the engineering area, not good!
Also heard a rumour that the safety department is in tatters, too many years of mismanagement by long term twits out of their league. Even some of the more recent imports are meant to be totally useless?
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Compliments of the season ladies and gentlemen
Seems the festive break did nothing to curb the rot in flight ops, bad Santa and his sycophants having dispatched the human factors manager, are now gloating about their invincibility and preparing to appoint a "mate" with no practical experience to take over the role.
I read with interest posts extolling the virtues of the Borgwan, yet find this anathema given he is aware of the deep seated malaise and malpractice prevalent in the department, which he chooses to ignore.
So, in the short term the morally reprehensible behaviour and mindless meetings devoid of outcomes will continue until such time as the ineptitude and unprofessional becomes to hard to ignore.
From what i have heard, this may be sooner than the forces of evil think. Will be interesting to see what gets their attention, either the class action from aggrieved persons or airtime on one of the reputable (not) 19.30 current affairs shows.
I am tipping 2012 will be very interesting....
I read with interest posts extolling the virtues of the Borgwan, yet find this anathema given he is aware of the deep seated malaise and malpractice prevalent in the department, which he chooses to ignore.
So, in the short term the morally reprehensible behaviour and mindless meetings devoid of outcomes will continue until such time as the ineptitude and unprofessional becomes to hard to ignore.
From what i have heard, this may be sooner than the forces of evil think. Will be interesting to see what gets their attention, either the class action from aggrieved persons or airtime on one of the reputable (not) 19.30 current affairs shows.
I am tipping 2012 will be very interesting....
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Jim, don't hold your breath waiting for exciting developments in 2012!
The malevolent ones you speak of had their roots sewn 12 years ago. Today's mischief is merely a manifestation of over a decade of this foolishness.
I did my decade and ran for the door. Nothing has changed since Il Deuce came along. Mates rates rules the day.
I have watched a number of managers get the rogering they deserved in the past few years and then booted out the door but they are replaced with equally inept imbeciles. People with no practical aviation experience, mates of management and McDonalds workers have long been the flavor of choice at DJ. Strong gums, being a blood relative of management and the ability to kiss ass are a 'must have' if you seek a progressive career path.
I laughed when the 'Monaro driver' got punted a few months back from head office. The look on his face when his superior told him he had 10 minutes to pack his stuff and leave was priceless. Funny how he groomed her and promoted her until eventually the apprentice grew stronger than the master and she pineapples him!! Oops no more BG to protect him, ha!
Several other of his former Brisbane lieutenants contributed to the skillful removal of his tenure which makes it even more funny! But the downside is these long term managers who are deeply imbedded in the place won't be moved along any time soon. It's the same game just a different year.
How about the now famous porn bust in which only selected 'troublemakers' were identified and punted? That was the biggest farce of all. We all know the other players in the porn racket and how select individuals who coincidently were managers or managers pets didn't get punted.
How's the safety department traveling these days? Still a basket case ? Again the long term incompetents who have clung to this department are part of the problem. Tsk tsk tsk they didn't come out smelling to good in the recent CASA audit! Again no action taken, no shock.
And let's not get started on engineering!! An area that they have never been able to get right. They have tried and tried and tried yet still issues in management remain. Rumour has it that in a recent regulatory audit several maintenance lapses were identified and a couple of jets grounded? If true, who's heads have rolled? Not good when the regulator finds those sort of mistakes. I recall Ansett having similar issues? Oh so quiet I can hear a pin drop? Oops I forgot, that would earn someone a promotion at DJ!!
But don't worry about all this stuff, DJ now have new uniforms, funky colored Perspex dividing the pointy end from the ****ty end and some spiffy billboards, and at the end of the day one cannot forget that it is all about 'keeping the air fare'!!!
Cue Richard to come in with some stupid gimmick and whacky antics.
The malevolent ones you speak of had their roots sewn 12 years ago. Today's mischief is merely a manifestation of over a decade of this foolishness.
I did my decade and ran for the door. Nothing has changed since Il Deuce came along. Mates rates rules the day.
I have watched a number of managers get the rogering they deserved in the past few years and then booted out the door but they are replaced with equally inept imbeciles. People with no practical aviation experience, mates of management and McDonalds workers have long been the flavor of choice at DJ. Strong gums, being a blood relative of management and the ability to kiss ass are a 'must have' if you seek a progressive career path.
I laughed when the 'Monaro driver' got punted a few months back from head office. The look on his face when his superior told him he had 10 minutes to pack his stuff and leave was priceless. Funny how he groomed her and promoted her until eventually the apprentice grew stronger than the master and she pineapples him!! Oops no more BG to protect him, ha!
Several other of his former Brisbane lieutenants contributed to the skillful removal of his tenure which makes it even more funny! But the downside is these long term managers who are deeply imbedded in the place won't be moved along any time soon. It's the same game just a different year.
How about the now famous porn bust in which only selected 'troublemakers' were identified and punted? That was the biggest farce of all. We all know the other players in the porn racket and how select individuals who coincidently were managers or managers pets didn't get punted.
How's the safety department traveling these days? Still a basket case ? Again the long term incompetents who have clung to this department are part of the problem. Tsk tsk tsk they didn't come out smelling to good in the recent CASA audit! Again no action taken, no shock.
And let's not get started on engineering!! An area that they have never been able to get right. They have tried and tried and tried yet still issues in management remain. Rumour has it that in a recent regulatory audit several maintenance lapses were identified and a couple of jets grounded? If true, who's heads have rolled? Not good when the regulator finds those sort of mistakes. I recall Ansett having similar issues? Oh so quiet I can hear a pin drop? Oops I forgot, that would earn someone a promotion at DJ!!
But don't worry about all this stuff, DJ now have new uniforms, funky colored Perspex dividing the pointy end from the ****ty end and some spiffy billboards, and at the end of the day one cannot forget that it is all about 'keeping the air fare'!!!
Cue Richard to come in with some stupid gimmick and whacky antics.
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Must have the must haves
Rising through the ranks requires little more than having a negative gag reflex, and the correct 'must haves' your superior is seeking such as the will to salute or curtesy as the boss walks by, the ability kiss botty and the ability to be completely inept as well as related to a manager.
I know some may find this surprising coming from an airline who prides itself on loyalty, fairness and equal opportunity.
Bahahah only kidding!!
I know some may find this surprising coming from an airline who prides itself on loyalty, fairness and equal opportunity.
Bahahah only kidding!!
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Why is it that bullying, harassment and intimidation are part
of the culture in the workplace at DJ ?
of the culture in the workplace at DJ ?
Well for the last 9 years I must have been working at a very different Airline (in Brisbane) and working with people who are also working for a very different Airline from the posters here.
Go to work, do your job, enjoy the times.
It's not that hard.
I don't know what "issues" some posters have (as a lot of the ramblings make no sense at all) but I suspect there are some very disgruntled people who did not quite make it to the top of their professional ladder.
I think I know why!
Go to work, do your job, enjoy the times.
It's not that hard.
I don't know what "issues" some posters have (as a lot of the ramblings make no sense at all) but I suspect there are some very disgruntled people who did not quite make it to the top of their professional ladder.
I think I know why!
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Ad-Astra, as usual, you are far too sensible & matter-of-fact. No denying there's been a few clashes of personality in our organisation from time to time, but generally it's a good place to work.
Unfortunately there will always be some people who are never satisfied with their lot in life, no matter what the circumstances, to which I say: "Instead of getting on here & bitching about it, why don't you DO something about it."
No denying there's been a few clashes of personality in our organisation from time to time, but generally it's a good place to work.Unfortunately there will always be some people who are never satisfied with their lot in life, no matter what the circumstances, to which I say: "Instead of getting on here & bitching about it, why don't you DO something about it."
I dont think there is any bitching, just some "thoughts" on the goings on outside life on the line.
If a lot more people took an interest in the management style in question you might be more concerned............ I know I am.
Cheers,
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If a lot more people took an interest in the management style in question you might be more concerned............ I know I am.
Cheers,
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Maybe, but by that definition, it isn't necessarily incorrect, either. Instead of the code names and bull****, how about coming out and stating your facts, please? If you're afraid to do so, then maybe that's one pointer for the rest of us. I'd just like to have some idea what you clowns are actually on about.......