MERGED: Qantas grounded effective immediately.
From Leigh Howard's twitr...
Touching every piece of wood right now... but this sounds promising.
FWA have asked parties to give submissions on the curious aspect of how to provide notice of a suspension (427(3)). Indicative?
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Escalation
It seems to me that Q has made a mountain out of a molehill through a feedback loop of positive reinforcement using solely its own actions. This could be explained by intention or incompetence.
I start with the premise that the first significant impacts on schedule reliability and thus customers were as a result of the half a dozen grounded a/c two weeks ago.
This then impacted bookings, to the extent that yesterday's decision was seen to be justified.
The first grounding was blamed in the media on "60,000 man hours" of maintenance backlog, or 360 man months. Is this realistic for a fleet of 108 a/c? I have no idea how the minor industrial action taken by ALAEA to this point could result in such a backlog.
I start with the premise that the first significant impacts on schedule reliability and thus customers were as a result of the half a dozen grounded a/c two weeks ago.
This then impacted bookings, to the extent that yesterday's decision was seen to be justified.
The first grounding was blamed in the media on "60,000 man hours" of maintenance backlog, or 360 man months. Is this realistic for a fleet of 108 a/c? I have no idea how the minor industrial action taken by ALAEA to this point could result in such a backlog.
short flights long nights
That is a good question where IS Oliva???
and i thought it was just an irish joke?
Just saw the 60 minutes thing. Reminded me of the joke about the catholic who converts to become a Protestant on his death bed, because he would "rather it be one of theirs than one of ours that has to pass on!"
Seems to me AJ is convinced it(QF) has to go and he would rather it be him who screws it over rather than the unions!
He just doesn't make sense.
Seems to me AJ is convinced it(QF) has to go and he would rather it be him who screws it over rather than the unions!
He just doesn't make sense.
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Ya know what! I am not a racist person , but I am really sick to death of this country being slowly f#%$*d to death by Blow In's and cheap imported **** that has already crippled our manufacturing!!
Joyce and who ever is behind him should be ashamd and piss off back to wherever they came from and if they are from this country go buy a .38 and blow their brains out!!!! Our kids are in really in trouble if this crap continues!! The picture is way bigger than this fiasco.
The engineers have done jack **** industrial action wise! You reckon I am going to be the perfect employee while this arsehole is in power if Qantas survives??
Go home Joyce you ********! The damage cannot be repaired.
Joyce and who ever is behind him should be ashamd and piss off back to wherever they came from and if they are from this country go buy a .38 and blow their brains out!!!! Our kids are in really in trouble if this crap continues!! The picture is way bigger than this fiasco.
The engineers have done jack **** industrial action wise! You reckon I am going to be the perfect employee while this arsehole is in power if Qantas survives??
Go home Joyce you ********! The damage cannot be repaired.
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Judging by the info from Leigh Howard, I'd bet on a 120 day suspension.
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A few things to watch:
Share dumping tomorrow.
QFF Points purchasing (dumping) tomorrow.
Virgin re-offer of QFF Gold and + recognition.
Qantas enticement for Business Flyers to return to the fold.
The NEXT Australian Iconic Airline.
Interesting times.....
Share dumping tomorrow.
QFF Points purchasing (dumping) tomorrow.
Virgin re-offer of QFF Gold and + recognition.
Qantas enticement for Business Flyers to return to the fold.
The NEXT Australian Iconic Airline.
Interesting times.....
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if this question seems a bit simple, then im sorry, but why are the governments involved in the hearing? Also, if the governments are allowed to make submissions, why then arent the other states represented?
ive been out of the country for a while, so this all seems a mess (the FWA hearing i mean).
ive been out of the country for a while, so this all seems a mess (the FWA hearing i mean).
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Hopefully they will rule in favour of a "Suspension" rather than "Termination."
What would be the repercussions on Qantas if this happens?
What would be the repercussions on Qantas if this happens?
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A few things to watch:
Share dumping tomorrow.
QFF Points purchasing (dumping) tomorrow.
Virgin re-offer of QFF Gold and + recognition.
Qantas enticement for Business Flyers to return to the fold.
Share dumping tomorrow.
QFF Points purchasing (dumping) tomorrow.
Virgin re-offer of QFF Gold and + recognition.
Qantas enticement for Business Flyers to return to the fold.
QFF Point effect - nil
DJ benefit from QFF Gold + = next to nil
QF rewarding Gold+ , possible.
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Termination or suspension, do you think anyone will do overtime ?
Either way, the staff have been totally disengaged by management. I guess we won't be seeing anymore staff engagement surveys or doing anymore of those waste of time mandatory customer service "pass the balls" courses.
Basically, QANTAS as we know it is dead, and when it gets back in the air, it will be a flying carcass. Just the way AJ/LC want it. They can then discard that carcass and bring in jq. The only problem is, when the funds run out, and Pacific Asia fianlly falls over, how will jq pay for itself? It won't matter, AJ/LC will be long gone.
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from Fair Work Australia: The Federal Government has submitted that the Unions have not submitted that they seek resolution [and support termination -- no union action permitted, no company action permitted]
The state of Queensland has also just argued that Industrial Action be terminated, not suspended - which would cease all company and any Union strike action
The state of Queensland has also just argued that Industrial Action be terminated, not suspended - which would cease all company and any Union strike action
You can re route on to other QF group services, get them to book you MEL-AKL-BNE on Jetconnect.