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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 06:37
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http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/homepage...antas_edit.flv

An interesting round table with advertising and PR execs on the grounding from Gruen

(not sure how to post this as a push and play file)

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I'm sure that is a safe link but my computer doesn't like it and it is 14.3 Mb!

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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 13:25
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Sorry if you have done this but download VLC media player..it has worked for me
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 21:38
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What last weekend showed us in no uncertain terms was despite the mutterings of Qantas being finished, it is anything but. It showed how much Australians rely on their National Carrier,
yep, in my view, the guys running the show are in it for themselves, they have hijacked a well oiled machine, now pretending they invented it all over again. LC with patsy AJ are doing to Qantas what MUAMMAR Gaddafi did for Libya.

It's all about their outdated ego's, this time it will be harder, people are a wake up to these Freehills induced bully tactics putting Canberra on notice, the voters will not accept it this time around. Dixon got away with it, but I believe in time the Q PR machine will not be strong enough to change peoples opinions, too many holes in their argument. When you think about it, Joyce is the wrong front man to convince the Australian public. There is overwhelming evidence now in all media comments sections of the press, people simply don't like him as the face of Qantas, pure and simple. The punters see Joyce as only in this for his wallet, the image created by LC & AJ just by the arrogance they displayed last Friday at the AGM.

All a matter of timing in Qantas grounding

One of the most frequently asked questions surrounding the grounding of the Qantas fleet last Saturday afternoon was the point at which the chief executive actually made the decision to cease flying and lock out staff.
This has been exercising minds at the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. The regulator is in the early stages of investigating whether Qantas was selling tickets and accepting payment for flights it knew would not take off.
It's much the same principle as, say, selling a washing machine that you don't have. And it carries a penalty of up to $1.1 million per offence.
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I would love to be a fly on the wall this morning (Frid) when AJ faces a parliamentary senate inquiry in CB into his latest 'engagement' of his workforce.

"failure of management & a failure of leadership" where words said by Senator Cameron (Doug)..........that pretty much sums up AJ's abilities or lack thereof!




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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 22:21
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Hey Wally MK2, If you go to the `Senate Enquiry` thread, people have provided links for live coverage of the `SHOW`.
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Thanks 'B2' that thread wasn't even listed when I posted the abv..............pilots sure are quick to attend any public hangings


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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 23:07
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On Foxtel channel 648 a-pac right now
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 23:22
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Live on Sky News too. Go Senator X!
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 23:27
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Live on ABC 24 too, it's free!
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I thought it was quite typical when someone mentioned on this forum that EK would probably do a roadshow with all things considered. Announced on AFAP this morning lol. Guess there are going to be a lot of resignations coming up soon.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 06:07
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How many Senate enquiries is QF going to be called up to before we see some immediate change with this manipulative employer that calls them selves 'The Spirit Of Australia'?
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How many Senate enquiries is QF going to be called up to before we see some immediate change with this manipulative employer that calls them selves 'The Spirit Of Australia'?
Patience, patience. We'd all love to see immediate change of the board, but all the facts have to be presented, sifted through and then decided on.

I would rather see the untruths exposed for what they are and then the board becomes answerable. Then an independent forensic auditor to go through the books and see the creative accounting that's been going on, and see how JQ has been propped up all these years and bleeding QANTAS and that the international operations of QANTAS weren't losing the money claimed.
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Patience, patience. We'd all love to see immediate change of the board, but all the facts have to be presented, sifted through and then decided on.
With all due respect, you are in dreamland. Unless you haven't noticed, over the last 19 years, Qantas has been a private company. Senate committees have any or little control over a private company. Yes, in the Qantas case, the coalition of loonies (aka Xenaphon/Brown/Cameron/Sterle) can give Joyce a hot time but in the end it counts for nought. The cheer squad here on Pprune can gloat and applaude all they like but in the end nothing changes. Cheer on.
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With all due respect, you are in dreamland. Unless you haven't noticed, over the last 19 years, Qantas has been a private company.
16 years and 96 days that QANTAS has been a private company, to be closer to the truth. Merged with TN (Australian Airlines) 31 October 1993 and floated on the stock exchange 31 July 1995.

The senate hearing may change nothing now, but maybe a push from some of the senators that are interested in keeping an Australian company, Australian (for whatever reason or agenda they may have) may introduce a bill into the QANTAS Sales Act that would force the management to keep jobs in Australia, not necessarily in QANTAS.

It baffles me how there are those on this forum that are pro-corporate Australia in sending jobs off-shore and are happy for businesses to close down here. These individuals say we live in a globalised world and to move with it. Why? To help the bottom line of corporate board members? To help share investors boost their profits? To have but a few % of the population at the top of the tree sucking the life out of those below them?

If the QF management are allowed their way in this dispute, be prepared for the queue of corporations who will also threaten the government and the general population with closing down their companies if they don't capitulate to their demands.

Holden is already lining up for 2014/15.

It's a sad path you choose to follow, but a dangerous one.
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^^^^^^ that
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The senate hearing may change nothing now, but maybe a push from some of the senators that are interested in keeping an Australian company, Australian
Havn't done it to any other company, and theres a lot that who's workers where a bit more blue collar than Qantas. Don't hold your breath, there'll be a lot of huff and puff, but thats all there will be.
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About right.

TG - On the ball as always.
But in doing so have not recognizeg or even acknowledged the damage done to the staff or the company over the last ten years, they are on a union hunt, and poor downtrodden, beaten up Joyce is their hero. What a shame in their hunt to destroy the Labor Govt, they have failed to understand the truth
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Not sure if it's the complexity of 'matters aviation' or political agenda or plain lack of time; they seem to be struggling with all 3.

I keep hoping, but if this is the best we can manage, perhaps it's time to pack up and move to the Kampong.

Disappointing.
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It baffles me how there are those on this forum that are pro-corporate Australia in sending jobs off-shore and are happy for businesses to close down here.
I'm not pro-corporate but I am always amazed by dreamers such as yourself who think that the coalition of loonies giving Joyce a hard time for an hour or two equals victory for your cause. The coalition of loonies is just a circus no more no less. Nothing is going to change.
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