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Old 16th Oct 2011, 07:18
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Redundancies?

One aspect of the upcoming reduction in the REX schedule may be, strangely enough, a surplus of F/O's. With the large number of Captains resigning, and the majority of F/O's not going anywhere, what happens to the excess? With the constant stream of graduating cadets coming through the system well into the future, REX will have lots of pilots, but they'll be much less productive than they should be!

Also, REX are currently interviewing around 2 dozen "experienced" pilots in a belated effort to mitigate the situation. Mmmm, lets see, when will these pilots be ready for upgrade? My guess is sometime after their interviews with a rival carrier.

Be interesting to see LKH's reaction to the revelation that not only will the latest direct entries fail to stick around (dugh!), but he is now carrying a large inventory of spare F/O's!

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Old 16th Oct 2011, 14:51
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So Krusty, if the shortage of Captains really bites and they have to really reduce services, where will they trim?

Obviously some of their more marginal routes in NSW and Vic, but what about YBTL? It's kind of out on a limb up there. Would they canx their TL - MA and TL - WTN runs (bearing in mind some TL-MA and the TL-WTN runs are QLD Govt contract runs) and bring crews and aircraft back south? Or would that put a dent in the Rex groups ability to operate the mine runs which Pelair do in the Rex aircraft when they're not doing Rex runs?

How soon is it going to be before we see a reduction in scheduled runs like we saw back in 2008/09?
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 01:52
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How quickly the wheels turn! wasnt it only about two months ago NH was saying that they were not going to hire any more experienced pilots. Good job the picus program is now up & running ;-)
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 02:28
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If you drop the Townsville runs you loose 3 maybe 4 captains straight away because they won't move. So I don't think that will help the situation.
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 02:54
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The staff turn over does not just involve the pilots. Have a look at the Safety / Compliance Department (Human Factors Group or what ever they call it). It appears that there is more people going through that part of the company than there will be boats arriving in australia with the labor governments imigration policy debarcle.

With the regulators push on Safety Management Systems, and the drive to identify latent conditions within an organisation, when will all parties here wake up and see the obvious mess that is unfolding and the potential it has to casue great harm across the Rex group of companies!
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 03:06
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First to go will be Charter. I recall on one day alone REX had 7 aircraft flying into a remote location on a mining FIFO. Absoloute "Money for Jam". Crewing these things were difficult, with the majority of crews giving up some annual leave to do it, and requireing some creative reasignment of aircraft. Now of course the situation is completely untenable. Big loss of income, now and into the future.

If REX follow the previous game plan, they'll start slashing less profitable routes first. Taree, Moruya, even Parkes maybe? Usually this will take the form of a reduction initially, but who knows how deep it will ultimately go.

The Williamtown-Ballina service may be stillborn? Williamtown is a class 2 port, so the Check and trainers will have to initiate the service first, and then Check the line Captains All this along with their other duties, notwithstanding that the Check and Training department is a little thinner on the ground these days!

Queensland? Can't see them abandoning the subsidised routes. Keeping them however may require cannabalising some of the Southern services. Can of worms.

Interesting times!
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 03:07
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drop the Townsville runs you loose 3 maybe 4 captains
The captains may or may not be "loose", but you could potentially "lose" them in closing the Townsville base... Whether this would then make them "loose" is another question entirely.
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 03:12
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Pay rates for safety roles...

Rex is an organisation with 1000 employees and 70 aircraft spread over 4 AOCs, and offering their (specialist aviation) safety management people salaries that are well below market rates... even taking mining out of the market

Hardest thing about being a safety manager is occasionally you have to threaten to bite the hand that feeds you. I can't see that happening under LKH, can you?
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 06:47
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.... is occasionally you have to threaten to bite the hand that feeds you. I can't see that happening under LKH, can you?
safety manager, pilot, crewing, operations........ it dont matter, they are leaving and in a way bitting the hand that feeds them.

6 - 8 people in 8 months for the safety dept if I count right, a hand full from crewing and Ops, some managers and obviously pilots. Its amazing, it just never ends, if I were LKH and knew that my managers were driving away great dedicated people, I would be furious, especially if he was actually told the truth, and maybe then he would reduce managers pay and make them "prove" how dedicated they were and only when staff attriction was reduced then they would get a bonus! Maybe I should write that man an email for some insight....

For example, all crewing and Ops people have always reported moving to better working conditions! So that once again that says, management is the problem.... and in that area is the "poisoned dwarf" for those in the know...... another bad apple so to speak.

Also staff have been told to not say anything bad about the new merlo system! Wow, thats a great reporting culture. HAHA, its a bucket of bolts that doesnt make work efficient. It was implemented because some manager thought they could save more money by getting rid of Geneva and not pay a monthly fee! LOL its going to cost them a hell of alot more to fix merlo. And even more to fix their attitudes!

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Old 17th Oct 2011, 07:55
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Well it has been a while since I have posted. But I hear we are getting to the business end of the EBA (believe it or not...) and with all this recent movement times are indeed interesting.

I think the example of replacing Geneva with a program that is still terribly limited 9 months after its introduction shows the "we will just try to push through" attitude, rather than spending some money to perhaps get some more/better IT people to come in and make it happen so that ops and crewing can have a bit more help from the system.
Is it true LKH has shares and a financial interest in Aero/CrewPortal???

Additionally, the fact that a meal break between flights it measured from off blocks to on blocks time seems ridiculous. They reject a claim if you are on the blocks for 3 mins longer than the required break, even though the engines have probably been running 5 mins by the time you taxi in Sydney. And yet they have beacons on figures somewhere to measure OTP don't they? Just another example.
They are not, they are from on blocks to beacon on time for the next departure. If the 50 minutes is not enough to give you 30 minutes free of all duty then claim it and substantiate it. If it is not paid contact the RexPC or AFAP directly and you can grieve the payment formally.

4-on-4-off is never going to happen. The crew complements which would be required to roster these simply do not match the company's structure and the hours and sectors operated.

Wanting to move to retention bonus' or sign on bonus' for the EBA is not the answer, it is a short sighted money grabbing solution in the short term which has been a ploy used by management (just not REX as yet) to put sub-standard EBAs to vote and get them over the line. To go this way would defeat the hard fought effort in the last agreement to link to CPI+2% and also allowances to CPI.

Not sure why you think the C&T need more money for now. Or are you perhaps saying that they are working too hard and hence now leaving because of it. The hard fight for their increase in remuneration came with promises from their "leaders" directly to CH, JD and LKH that they would give them increased productivity! So I don't think they can complain now!
Training $15,798
Check Grade One $21,790
Check Grade Two $34,864
Check Grade Three $43581

What we should be sticking to is CPI at least more like CPI+2% and an additional 1% of Super over and above the minimum mandated as well as an extra day off a roster.

Sorry for continuing the thread drift.....perhaps we shall adjourn this discussion to the EBA thread for more detail and thoughts......

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...6-rex-eba.html

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Old 17th Oct 2011, 12:30
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Agree with you 100% Curved'.

The REXPC/AFAP position is to maintain the status quo (CPI + 2%) It's not perfect, but given the regressions of the past, it's probably the best option for moving forward, albeit over the next 10 years or so. The problem is, the company doesn't have 10 years in which to compete for a limited number of experienced pilots! The way things are going, they'll be lucky to have 6 months! Add to this their almost pathalogical desire to keep a lid on any sort of increase in pilots real incomes, and the age old tradition of stonewalling WRT EBA negotiations, is it any wonder that most pilots look upon the whole process with a certain amount of scepticsm.

Frankly, I can't see the Leopard changing it's spots. So what we'll all probably see is just more of the same. Unless of course management come forward with a real, progressive, and mutually beneficial plan for the future!
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 00:04
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A mutually beneficial plan for the future is the way to go. Something that caters for both lifestyle and remuneration issues. The flow on would be less looking to leave and happier workers! (imagine that) But I and most are as you say sceptics when it comes to anything to do with the company making the pilot body happy. It would be seen as losing face! We all know its not going to happen. The attitude and culture management have created will continue as will the loss of experienced pilots.

Interesting how its not just the big shiny jet that is the cause of the losses but other turboprop operators! Kind makes the company's management 'belief' look silly.

Oh well, good luck to the company, they'll need it soon!

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Old 18th Oct 2011, 04:32
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Krusty, are you able to elaborate on "experienced"? I'm curious to know what sort of hours/experience they are looking at. Maybe I should apply.
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 09:42
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I'm going to state the bleeding obvious. Your all f%$#n Dreamin. Stop pissing into the wind as your getting wet. They aint gonna change.
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Old 19th Oct 2011, 02:56
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Agree with Big Brother IT WILL NEVER CHANGE get out while you can then you can have a good laugh at those idiots in Baxter Rd as they sit there crying into their bag of cold Dim Sims saying all the other companies poached our pilots.
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Old 19th Oct 2011, 11:28
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aceinspace, bigbrother, you're right of course, it really is a no brainer isn't it.

Something else for management to chew on however. Apparently not only are REX losing, and are about to lose more Captains to local airlines, but more than a dozen have, or are in the process of having interviews with the likes of Cathay and Qatar! Even more interesting, is that a significant number of these are former Cadets!!!

I wonder if REX have any idea at all of what a crewing Clusterf#kc they have presided over?
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Old 20th Oct 2011, 01:31
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Well Krusty it would already be hard for crewing with them not being allowed to call in crews from the same base because of rdo call out costs, (unless all esle has failed & god approves it). Delaying flights & crews to get someone from another base flown in to save a few dollars, what havoc is this causing them already? Play their game, I say give the minimum notice to them when calling in unfit for work so the delay in getting crew from interstate is to big then they may have to do rdo call outs, nice way to top up the pay every now & then. Seems the operating policy is starting to reverse it was; (safety, pax comfort, schedule, economy) now it seem's to be(safety, pax comfort, economy, schedule) OTP used to be very important, what will the order be next? Is it the safest thing to have possibly a complete crew operating out of an unfamiliar base on such short notice?
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Old 20th Oct 2011, 02:11
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Interesting times ahead as more cadets 'get out' and with the poorly written contract and other side deals beind made coming to the surface, you may find people leaving and not having to pay a great deal back .....
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I say go for it. Leave if you have the opportunity. At the end of the day, Rex management have taken every chance to reduce conditions or at least make it very difficult to obtain any form of good will toward professional staff (and staff in general). They have been short sighted with past and current management doing what management always do, take the good conditions themselves and crap on those under an EBA.

Well, my furry managment friends, your management talk and awesome put downs of valuable staff is producing the real fruit of its labour and now the short term benefits of cutting conditions and breathing down the necks of crew and taking staff for granted is about to end. This style of management NEVER works in the long run, especially when other larger companies seek dedicated and capable operators and reward them for being part of a REAL TEAM.

Evacuate Evacuate, unfasten seatbelts, leave everything behind, GET OUT!

You can be sure as hell that as bad as this management is/has been, the nature of their "impresive titles" and glossy way of stating their achievments will unfortunately find them offered employment somewhere else if this ship sinks. And guess what, they wont give a shite about the people they left behind or sold short at Rex! And it will be a good bet they will gloss over the attrition rates!

So I always reccomend that you keep your options open, apply for these current vacancies if they suite , and see if you get a shot at it, certainly better than wondering.
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ahh my furry friends, I'm in complete agreeance with your words. I will add one thing however. That is to say I want REX to keep flying, so that the A.holes in management, and C&T who made working there like hell, STAY THERE. I do not want them filtering out into my world and given a 'gift' C&T role with fast track to the top, only to take me back to the future.
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