REX Resignations
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I'm worth whatever I sell in a days work. I once deep fried 8 chickoroll's cooked 9 plain hamburgers and put together two green salads in one hour I am good at what I do. Thanks for the engrish lesson Krusty you're enthusiasm to teach should be emulated buy you're peers. Whilst we are on the subject of English what's the difference between "then, than and to, too, two
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Thank's ziggie'.
I did say a reasonable command of the English language, and Lord knows I'm not the greatest speller either, so I really shouldn't throw stones!
I guess the point I was trying to make to chicko was about being taken seriously. I do my fair share of wingeing that's for sure, and thank you to all my collegues past and present for the support, but if you're going to post chicko, how about offering an opinion WRT the subject.
More than happy to debate. If not, then I guess we could just lump you in with the likes of Lester', in for a quick hit with little or no follow up.
I did say a reasonable command of the English language, and Lord knows I'm not the greatest speller either, so I really shouldn't throw stones!
I guess the point I was trying to make to chicko was about being taken seriously. I do my fair share of wingeing that's for sure, and thank you to all my collegues past and present for the support, but if you're going to post chicko, how about offering an opinion WRT the subject.
More than happy to debate. If not, then I guess we could just lump you in with the likes of Lester', in for a quick hit with little or no follow up.
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I'm happy to debate; but you never did the simple maths to backup your point.
You think its a simple equation to retain pilots by paying more $$ and that the company would be better off if they did so. Do the numbers and show those silly Rex managers who knows more about running an airline. At the moment the Rex managers have the runs on the board and you don't. Turn it around, show them whose boss.
To answer your question; no I haven't been at the coalface at Rex. But I have at a few other companies where the management didn't make tough ****ty decisions and went down the gurgler as a result.
You think its a simple equation to retain pilots by paying more $$ and that the company would be better off if they did so. Do the numbers and show those silly Rex managers who knows more about running an airline. At the moment the Rex managers have the runs on the board and you don't. Turn it around, show them whose boss.
To answer your question; no I haven't been at the coalface at Rex. But I have at a few other companies where the management didn't make tough ****ty decisions and went down the gurgler as a result.
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OK Lester, you're trying to call my bluff, and that's fair enough, except for one thing regarding REX Management. It's not about the money!!! I know that may be difficult for you to get your head around, but bear with me.
Back in early 2007 blind Freddy could see what was coming. The REX chief pilot predicted a 20% pilot loss. Clearly not the smartest guy in the room! At that time Rex were carrying approx 2.6 mil Pax p/a, some over multiple sectors. This was a significant increase over the 2004 figures, and clearly a vindication of the REX business model.
Also over the previous few years, in response to increasing oil prices, REX imposed a fuel levy to offset the increase in doing business. Starting off at around $18 per sector, by 2007 it was just a shy under $50! See where I'm going here?
Once it all started turning to crap in 2007/08 it became apparent that REX were unable to replace the losses. Rather than accept the retention of pilots as a cost of doing business (utterly against the Chairman's ethos), Jim Davis stepped up and sold him on the scheme that would save REX. Jim had observed the KLM cadet scheme first hand, but guess what? REX aint' KLM! to cut a long story short, the whole thing was tendered out to the lowest bidder, and within 6 months it was a complete basket case. What to do? Admit defeat and lose face, Yeah right! Or take ownership and do whatever necessary to make it work. The end result, approx 70 checked to line F/O's, the first of which will not be able to hold a command for at least another 4 years, and a bill so far in the tens of millions! Obviously there are earnings from the scheme, but when you factor in the total cost per cadet, the numerous discounts, low interest loans, and of course the infrastucture costs, wages, meals, etc, etc, there is no way this thing has even come close to paying for itself. Where AAPA will eventually pay, is in the training of foreign pilots, something the "solution" to REX's crewing shortage was never going to achieve. either in monetary terms, or in the replacement of experienced pilots.
Now as far as an analysis of the REX financials is concerned, I can tell you now it would be an exercise in tail chasing, and you Lester, know it. To make a true comparison, one needs to look at the results of the alternative as opposed to the "runs on the board". Frankly I think it's fantastic what LKH (despite what some may think) has done with REX. But just how much more could it have been? We'll probably never know.
REX have toughed it out in the past, at huge expense to the traveling public (but that doesn't matter does it). My prediction is, they'll try to tough it out again. Already REX have cancelled all charter quotes, and that business will ultimately go to operators who see the value in retaining a once again diminishing resource. Just how much damage will be done? That will have nothing to do with REX's actions, but everything to do with REX's inaction.
Good Luck REX, we're all going to need it!
Back in early 2007 blind Freddy could see what was coming. The REX chief pilot predicted a 20% pilot loss. Clearly not the smartest guy in the room! At that time Rex were carrying approx 2.6 mil Pax p/a, some over multiple sectors. This was a significant increase over the 2004 figures, and clearly a vindication of the REX business model.
Also over the previous few years, in response to increasing oil prices, REX imposed a fuel levy to offset the increase in doing business. Starting off at around $18 per sector, by 2007 it was just a shy under $50! See where I'm going here?
Once it all started turning to crap in 2007/08 it became apparent that REX were unable to replace the losses. Rather than accept the retention of pilots as a cost of doing business (utterly against the Chairman's ethos), Jim Davis stepped up and sold him on the scheme that would save REX. Jim had observed the KLM cadet scheme first hand, but guess what? REX aint' KLM! to cut a long story short, the whole thing was tendered out to the lowest bidder, and within 6 months it was a complete basket case. What to do? Admit defeat and lose face, Yeah right! Or take ownership and do whatever necessary to make it work. The end result, approx 70 checked to line F/O's, the first of which will not be able to hold a command for at least another 4 years, and a bill so far in the tens of millions! Obviously there are earnings from the scheme, but when you factor in the total cost per cadet, the numerous discounts, low interest loans, and of course the infrastucture costs, wages, meals, etc, etc, there is no way this thing has even come close to paying for itself. Where AAPA will eventually pay, is in the training of foreign pilots, something the "solution" to REX's crewing shortage was never going to achieve. either in monetary terms, or in the replacement of experienced pilots.
Now as far as an analysis of the REX financials is concerned, I can tell you now it would be an exercise in tail chasing, and you Lester, know it. To make a true comparison, one needs to look at the results of the alternative as opposed to the "runs on the board". Frankly I think it's fantastic what LKH (despite what some may think) has done with REX. But just how much more could it have been? We'll probably never know.
REX have toughed it out in the past, at huge expense to the traveling public (but that doesn't matter does it). My prediction is, they'll try to tough it out again. Already REX have cancelled all charter quotes, and that business will ultimately go to operators who see the value in retaining a once again diminishing resource. Just how much damage will be done? That will have nothing to do with REX's actions, but everything to do with REX's inaction.
Good Luck REX, we're all going to need it!
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I think you’re a grumpy old man that has been flying the same **** box all his life or some guy who could not get a start anywhere else but REX! If you don’t like the situation do what the other guys did get in to a better one. I’m sure people are sick of seeing these REX threads Cadets this, not doing that, REX are going to find it tough soon blah blah blah you think LKH does not know what he is doing of course he does that why he is the boss and you’re the Krusty old SAAB driver. Wake up Krusty.
Waiting for another English lesson!
Waiting for another English lesson!
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Interesting retort chicko', although more like an undisciplined rant. Probably best that you are a FAILED pilot, as I'm sure with your lack of research on this subject, I would have serious doubts as to your capacity to operate as part of an airline crew.
If you wish to offer an alternative, or perhaps a solution to REX's current situation, I'll be more than happy to respond.
Otherwise, definitely will not dignify!
If you wish to offer an alternative, or perhaps a solution to REX's current situation, I'll be more than happy to respond.
Otherwise, definitely will not dignify!
Krusty you winge a lot I bet your painfull to fly with!
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What did give you the impression that I’m a FAILED Pilot? You should come down to my cafe and have mocha and a real discussion? Seriously Krusty why do you bother after all you’re post you have definitely made REX seem like the ugly enemy in which you so gladly stay employed. You have quoted a number of times that REX is doomed and these are worrying times!
