Qantas Mainline to recruit

[maggot]

...and it's such a close, cohesive base. fun work environment

[Happy Gilmore]

VI

I have no issue whether you come to Perth or not. I'm here now..

You're dreaming about what it would be like......we're living it.

I assume you are married with school age kids.

You can take the friendly advice and info for what it's worth....or not. They are not my opinions, they are facts and have been my experience. Sure you can find cheaper accom options, but would you or more importantly the wife, really want to live there??? I think you'll find the new Short Haul rostering/lifestyle a rude shock because we all have and we're already short haul.

So I guess it depends on your stage of life:
If you are young and single, then it's a no brainier- do it.
But if you have school age kids, a settled life where you are and no family ties to Perth, your family will pay a price for your 4 shiny bars- just make sure it's worth it to you and the family.

I'm HAPPY that I made the move(given QFs latest direction), but it comes at a high cost that is hard to contemplate until your there.

So come over....but I'd take off the rose coloured glasses.


Cheers and Good luck.

[Conductor]

VI,

You're right, it's not $10 a beer, it's $10.50. Two pints of beer at the Grosvenor - $21.00.

[Stiff Under Carriage]

$10 Beer

Yep, cost my sister $20 for Bundy and Rum and a Beer (Corona).

I think though it's Australia that's expensive. Just go to Europe!

[matt100]

Transfers back to the East Coast

Might be harder to come by than everyone thinks. If spots become available they will surely be taken by the 767 drivers as their fleet starts to be retired. They won't be able to go to the 330 (Integration Award) so it's 737 or demotion for them.

[The Green Goblin]

Don't even get me started on a pint of piss at a 'hotel' such as the raffles. To even think this used to be a bike bar (bullet holes in wall) and was the 'hell' in highway to hell by ACDC makes you wonder where we went wrong in this country....

You won't get much change out of $25 for two pints. You'll need to up that a tad if it's 'boutique'

Perth, beaut place, the most beautiful women in Australia but ridiculously overpriced.

[kellykelpie]

Plenty of things to do in Perth....it's a great city!

He's from Tasmania

[outside limits]

VI,
How is being in perth better than lwop at JQ ?
Staying in home base & the family happy, shinny new bars and young crew, sorry old mate, JQ is way better than being QF short haul in perth. Way way better, same pay.

[indamiddle]

agree with you green goblin.
perth has the hottest girls in australia.
overpriced, just like the beer.

[Variable Incidence]

Ok seems the beers a tad expensive! Jeez the simple things that upsets guys.

Still don't buy the argument that there's nothing to do in Perth. i've lived there before. Got friends there. Great beaches, not too far down south to great surf. Kite surfing, scuba. triathlons, lotsa beautiful very fit girls to run around King's Park with . Hey they've even got electricity,internet, movie theatres .... if you don't already have friends there make some new ones...so I don't buy that line, really very negative. It's no different to any other new city that you don't call home and it's what you make of it....just like life!!

Outside Limits: prob is LWOP opportunities in J* are now all in DRW and frozen for 3 years. I'd rather live in PER. Thing is too have to decide to either stay in J* after 3 years or come back to Q and give up your command. tough decision! Philosophical too for me, for as long as guys willingly sign on for and work under lousy pay and conditions it will prevail. History shows that only when outfits can't get guys on the offered T & C's do they improve. Personally I'm not happy to support the growth of J* on it's present Ts & C's. My conscience dictates too that I cannot support a vehicle that is being used by AJ & BB to destroy what was once a great airline. These clowns have got no idea. Qantas could still be great with the right CEO and board, the right airframes and a better attitude to their staff. An old adage rings true here: if your not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!! Each to their own!

Happy Gilmour: perhaps I was a bit harsh. Apologies. You seem like a decent bloke. Appreciate your candidness and insight. I don't have rose coloured glasses on, believe me! I would rather stay where I am for lots of reasons! Problem is guys probably can't stay where they are for too much longer as LH fleet reductions progress, because at some point redundancy will rear it's ugly head. I like many others suspect that Q will try on redundancy on type before reverse seniority. It may go to court which is not good as I can't remember the last time that AIPA won a case against Q, can you?

KellyKelpie: I'm not from Tas. Nor am I a 96 year old refueller. Can't believe everything U read on a profile, for obvious reasons

PS if the beers too expensive buy a carton and have some friends over for a BBQ

[FYSTI]

Originally Posted by Variable Incidence

Philosophical too for me, for as long as guys willingly sign on for and work under lousy pay and conditions it will prevail. History shows that only when outfits can't get guys on the offered T & C's do they improve. Personally I'm not happy to support the growth of J* on it's present Ts & C's. My conscience dictates too that I cannot support a vehicle that is being used by AJ & BB to destroy what was once a great airline.

Leaving aside the moral question - that is for the individual to answer and another for another day. Be careful swallowing the "party line" that there is a large discrepancy between QF shorthaul & J* T&C. Have you verified the facts for yourself from the source documents? If you have, then you have an informed view, read no further.

If not, I'd suggest wading through the 3 EBA's for QF, JQ (rostering) & VB.

Things that you should consider is the number of days off roster (28 QF & VB- calendar JQ) 11.5 per roster for JQ & VB, 9 for QF and payments for working on days off (QF N/A, JQ clause 25.5.1,VB clause A1.2.10 ). With these additional payments & the sheer number of opportunities to gain the additional payments & the dynamic nature of shorthaul flying there is virtually no difference pay wise between the 3 groups given for the same number of days worked or hours flown in the real world for Captains.


Another thing to consider is there is absolutely nothing in QF shorthaul that prevents the company from rostering in an identical manner to JQ. JQ rostering actually has more protections in it than QF. They can't have rosters built that finish at 21:20, have two days off and start again at 05:00 - QF can, as one example.

So there are swings and roundabouts - each of the three pies is very close in size, it is just a question of how they are sliced. Days off payments significantly boost the JQ, and to a lesser degree VB pay. VB have a lower income, this is a reflection of them not working to CAO48E, and hence they need more pilots to do a fixed amount of flying - they are less productive, but have a better lifestyle, and hence are less well remunerated.

Anecdotal evidence from those that have taken the JQ commands reflects my analysis, as does Outside Limits in this thread:

Originally Posted by Outside Limits

JQ is way better than being QF short haul in perth. Way way better, same pay.

I stress again, go to the source documents and assure yourself of the facts before taking "as fact" what you hear. You may even come to the conclusion that I have it wrong, if that is the case I will happy to receive your wisdom. It is very much in the companies interest to propagate a high fear index & a divide and conqueror mentality.

[Angle of Attack]

Good post FYSTI,

The QF shorthaul award is by far the most flexible award for an employer between all the Airlines. In general per hours worked there is a bees dick difference between pay at Virgin/J* and QF shorthaul. There is a perception that it is a so called gravy train, well I dispute that notion completely. (Recently did a 26hour tour of duty and lost 8 hours pay for it haha welcome to shorthaul) However I have been in both Longhaul and shorthaul and I can say with conviction there is a bees dick chance in hell that I would ever go back to Longhaul, regardless of monetry reward the shorthaul lifestyle absolutely $hits over the longhaul lifestyle.(Almost no back of the flights as the J* mugs have taken over all that crap flying) Plus there are protections in the award that allow you to get extra flying if you lose some flying, its a WIN WIN for both. Been there done that, but I dont want to spend half my time away from home. Longhaul types whinge about working 180 hour duty in 56 days, I do 160 in 28 days and its not hard its a perception change, the fact is its not hard to become more efficient. Regardless of hours work I am extremely happy on the Shorthaul award, I was less happy on the Longhaul one. Just my 2 cents. Take Care!

[mohikan]

The other problem with the B737 Perth base is the need to choose 'sides' in the ongoing war between factions there.

[*Lancer*]

So it's finally been established that different people have differing expectations and needs!

There is no one-fit solution. Qantas has an enormous spread of lifestyles and rewards/pitfalls which are present across the wider industry. Flexibility it the key, both for organisations and individuals. Assumptions and stereotypes do little to progress the interests of anyone.

[Fatguyinalittlecoat]

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[Normasars]

And you clowns wonder why you're in sh!tters ditch. Is it any wonder the industry is in the state it's in.

Can't even get along in your own camp. Waste of space the lot of you. Pathetic!

[Capt_SNAFU]

I'm guessing these factions have something to do with the Wayne Carey/Andrew Ettingshausen style antics?

[teresa green]

I would try a job in the mines first.

[pull-up-terrain]

I would try a job in the mines first.

I know i wouldnt. Even for a 737 FO it would be a pay cut (unless you have a Mining engineering degree or a mangagement degree). You would have to work 12 hour days and 12 hour night shifts and have less days off.

[Stalins ugly Brother]

Because these are the only command slots advertised in mainline my money is on that the eight slots in Perth will be filled by no one junior to a 400 seniority number and they will be 60 years of age or older.
Then once a slot opens on the east coast, due to their seniority they will be able to transfer straight back home! Sad but true.