Qantas Mainline to recruit
 

With lots of FOs heading to Dubai and too many SOs heading to J* more pilots will be required in the very near future to crew existing routes. Recruitment section about to start up

I would not get your hopes up. Try JQ.

So illogical it may just be true. The clowns running the joint never cease to amaze me with the stupidity they come up with on a daily basis.

No offence intended to clowns.

Well the official company line is no recruitment for 1 - 2 years. You would think they would be under stating this (as recruitment is a good thing), so I would expect it to be longer.

There is a surplus of somewhere between 100 - 200 pilots, these LWOP and retirements, with the current state of affairs, deal with this surplus. But yes, if in 12 months time the board changes strategy and Qantas expands again, they will have to recruit as they can't get the LWOP guys back! Seems unlikely to happen though

The phrase “a snowball’s chance in hell” comes to mind!

Give me a break :rolleyes:

It's an interesting prospect isn't it. Already we hear of significant shortages in some categories but that's due to people being in the wrong place rather than any overt surplus.

I don't think we'll be recruiting soon but by the middle of next year I would not be surprised if we didn't end up with a significant shortage of crew in some categories. Already on the 744 they are asking F/Os for their leave back- a temporary thing I'm sure as April next year will solve that problem- and I reckon they'll be more than happy to carry an excess 28 Captains caused by those four aircraft going so that they can start burning through some of the significant reserves of accrued leave held by all crew on the 744.

With EK having just confirmed in the last few days that they'll now take crew on LWOP- what option do they have with so many aircraft to crew- I reckon the flood gates have cracked open just that bit more and a number of our F/Os will go and have a taste.

Whether that translates to having to recruit soon I'm not sure. Nothing would surprise me. It's not like Qantas in the past haven't told 80+ cadets to 'forget about Qantas, it's not happening for the next 3-5 years' before recruiting the first cadet three months later and all 80 of them within 9 months. If EK were to take DEC then that trickle of crew starts to look a bit more like a full scale flood and I'd say recruiting would almost be a certainty.

The real issue is whether people of the right demographic will take the risk with Qantas. If you're a pilot with the right qualifications and the options of Qantas or Virgin came up I don't think I could, in good conscious recommend Qantas at this time- not unless we have some assurances in our EBA that we'll be flying red tails now and into the future. We may face the scenario that with a stagnating promotion list but short of S/Os that no one will come- particularly with so many due back off LWOP in the next few years.

So we're left with an interesting situation. I suspect that multiple categories are going to be 'caught short' and working very hard at various times in the next couple of years simply because mainline has become so unattractive that many are bailing out.

"twilliams"

Those that are close to the "back office functions" of QF may spot the "coincidence".

MC

That's just a bit too cryptic for me MC.

What is the coincidence? If you're able to share

GUARD

Keg,

Where is this gem confirmed from?? How about the guys that have recently resigned to take up positions with EK? They must be happy, not!

One minute EK are taking guys on lwop, next they're not, then they are again! So what's the story??

And I thought Qantas was good at stuffing people around. :rolleyes:

Those that have resigned and are going to EK are glad they are going to EK. They see a future and were happy to go. I don't think any of them are fussed that EK are now taking guys and gals on LWOP. I think what this will do is tempt a lot of QF crew to 'have a look'. It enables them to convince the wife to pack up and go and have a look and see if it suits them. A lot of them may well decide to stay. It's not like QF will have improved much in the next three years anyway- not on any current estimations anyway.

As for where was it confirmed from, a former QF Captain now with EK and involved in the recruitment process has confirmed it to QF crew via Qrewroom.

Will they remember what to do? Tech refresher in order perhaps ..a lecture or two at psychology school in bollocks HR to bone up

Wouldn't a new EBA have to get up first??

Good April Fools joke.

In terms of actual information, we are still at least 60 crew over establishment at the moment- at least according to the Chief Pilot a week or so ago- and we have 180 pilots on long term leave without pay. There are a significant number of 744 F/Os and Captains who were on assigned annual and long service leave at the moment.

That said, earlier predictions I made are spot on. They are starting to get short in certain categories (767 F/Os for example) and are managing the shortage by avoiding training new crew as it too is only until April next year when the next 767 is due to retire.

A lot of the MOU and LWOP guys at J* think that they will get a 3 year extension when their current contract expires.If QF want them back they have to decide to go back or resign, not an easy choice especially if you have had a command and will be going back to an FO spot.

Qantas will never recruit again.
Any rumour is made up by someone hoping his dream situation is going to come true.
The only people who think they will recruit are the guys who can`t see what is going on or have no idea what is going on right now.

The whole reason for Jetstar`s existance was to break the Qantas pilot Union, the Long Haul EBA and seniority.

For all the guys talking about looming shortages, that will be easily fixed by transferring more aircraft to Jetstar and redeploying pilot assests onto other types.
I use the term assests strictly as a business term not a term of endearment or any other positive HR spin management might put on the term.

Just to get it out there, this rape of Qantas crew to feed Jetstar has led to some quite extreme anomalies. I have heard from a number of sources that apart from Jetstar being unpleasant to work for - disorganised etc. some interesting yearly payslips have been emerging. It is hard work, but I understand some 'very clever' use of the system has resulted in $400kpa incomes for Capts. in certain bases. Anyone able to verify??

Rape of Qantas crews? As far as I know, no one has been forced to go and work for Jetstar. If they had, that wall fall under some form of redundancy.
If Qantas was such a joy to work for, they wouldn`t be queing up to join Jetstar. The airline you have all been bagging for the last 7 years.

As for the pay packets. Not quite. $300 is closer to the figure.
If every day you worked was a day off, and you flew 900 hours on those days off, you might get close to $400K, before tax.

This thread has nothing to do with JQ conditions. It was about Qantas recruiting again, which it never will.
Stay on topic please.

V-Jet
 

The rape of Qantas crews is because it has been made very clear that there is no career in any real sense inside Qf. Which is appalling.

Thanks for answering the question - although I have heard $24k for 2 days work (negotiated on days off). Sorry for my misconception, I didn't know there was a Jet* conditions thread (laziness I guess) and I felt it was on topic because it is the most convenient/easiest way for a QF S/O to actually GET promoted (or get a 'real' flying job). The money does not seem too bad.

Unless things change dramatically in Qf I can see absolutely no hope of recruitment either - for what it is worth.

April fools joke