Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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It's hardly going to feel like an 'Strayen carrier when the man at the door greets you in a clipped English accent (British Airways?) the captain's announcement is a mildly understandable Chinese accent ( Cathay?) and you are served by a lovely Singapore Girl………
And that's just on the non-code share flights………..
Personally, when I got on a Qantas flight in London, JFK or LAX I felt i was 'nearly' home…..the familiarity of the accents and mannerisms etc put me at ease and made home feel closer and was worth a few extra bucks.
In AJ's brave new cheap world I may as well fly Emirates…at least they employ some Aussie ex-pats!!
Honestly Alan, just because your homeland is a bankrupt wasteland doesn't mean you need to create it everywhere else you go…..if you're homesick just f#$# off back there!!
And that's just on the non-code share flights………..
Personally, when I got on a Qantas flight in London, JFK or LAX I felt i was 'nearly' home…..the familiarity of the accents and mannerisms etc put me at ease and made home feel closer and was worth a few extra bucks.
In AJ's brave new cheap world I may as well fly Emirates…at least they employ some Aussie ex-pats!!
Honestly Alan, just because your homeland is a bankrupt wasteland doesn't mean you need to create it everywhere else you go…..if you're homesick just f#$# off back there!!
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As much as I don't like to say it, if this is what he wants then how is Canberra going to refuse to open up Oz skies to all and anyone especially SIA.The Rat does not deserve its privileged position any more.
This lot are playing brinkmanship when they really have no skin in the game as they get paid win, lose or draw.
Agree they should all just disappear up some plug hole from where we never have to hear or see them again.
This lot are playing brinkmanship when they really have no skin in the game as they get paid win, lose or draw.
Agree they should all just disappear up some plug hole from where we never have to hear or see them again.
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PIA Ballot
A good result!
More LAMEs returned a vote, with an increased percentage supporting the ALAEA negotiating team. (And this vote included the LAMEs that QF thought would be more "pro company").
AJ, the clock keeps ticking down towards 24 August. The market didn't buy your spin yesterday and won't buy it again on the 24 August if you don't have agreements settled with both engineers and pilots. You are rapidly losing the "investment grade" status of the company! Tell Ianmeadow to start negotiating.
More LAMEs returned a vote, with an increased percentage supporting the ALAEA negotiating team. (And this vote included the LAMEs that QF thought would be more "pro company").
AJ, the clock keeps ticking down towards 24 August. The market didn't buy your spin yesterday and won't buy it again on the 24 August if you don't have agreements settled with both engineers and pilots. You are rapidly losing the "investment grade" status of the company! Tell Ianmeadow to start negotiating.
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QF shares have dropped 40% since you decided to go to war with QF employees, Alan.
I'll concede that one or two other issues are also involved (i.e. fuel, ash clouds) but primarily it's a vote of no confidence in management.
Stop trashing the brand, take safety seriously, engage with the 'turdy five tousand' employees that QF have.
I'll concede that one or two other issues are also involved (i.e. fuel, ash clouds) but primarily it's a vote of no confidence in management.
Stop trashing the brand, take safety seriously, engage with the 'turdy five tousand' employees that QF have.
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Personally, when I got on a Qantas flight in London, JFK or LAX I felt i was 'nearly' home…..the familiarity of the accents and mannerisms etc put me at ease and made home feel closer and was worth a few extra bucks.
That is exactly how i USE to feel
Personally, when I got on a Qantas flight in London, JFK or LAX I felt i was 'nearly' home…..the familiarity of the accents and mannerisms etc put me at ease and made home feel closer and was worth a few extra bucks.
That is exactly how i USE to feel
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How Could you sleep at night (in Australia) when 35,000 staff members do NOT like you?
How do you feel when you see all the negative comments made about you in today's SMH by the flying public?
Do you feel cheated when the flying public get a sub-standard service compared to other operators flying into Sydney and you continue to charge a premium?
The public is screaming for better aircraft cabins and IFE and you come out and proudly say "We are not spending anymore money on the International Business until it returns a profit" You idiot, have you heard of "return on investment?" You need to spend money before you can make money! Drop off the top 10 list and you will never be a winner!
You are not a CEO, you are a thief, you and Dixon!
How do you feel when you see all the negative comments made about you in today's SMH by the flying public?
Do you feel cheated when the flying public get a sub-standard service compared to other operators flying into Sydney and you continue to charge a premium?
The public is screaming for better aircraft cabins and IFE and you come out and proudly say "We are not spending anymore money on the International Business until it returns a profit" You idiot, have you heard of "return on investment?" You need to spend money before you can make money! Drop off the top 10 list and you will never be a winner!
You are not a CEO, you are a thief, you and Dixon!
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Sandilands writes what we all think
The question remains will Joyce have the guts to respond to this article?
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The commentary Qantas CEO Alan Joyce gave yesterday concerning the restructuring of its international services means August 24, when all is revealed, will be a flag lowering day, a bloody day, with the loss of experienced pilot jobs and a retreat from poorly performing routes after what he promised would be a review made with ‘ruthless but honest’ eyes.
If ‘honesty’ is at play in these decisions, much more detail is required.
Just how much has the claimed poor performance of an airline Australians expect to service their links to the world been a consequence of gifting jets and other benefits from the full service brands to the Jetstar brands?
How much of it has been poor fleet and route decisions, which have seen Australians choosing faster and easier trips on other carriers, even if, as sometimes happens, they pay Emirates, Singapore Airlines or other competitors slightly more for their services?
Surely it has cost hundreds of millions of dollars more than the $200 million Joyce predicts Qantas international will lose in the year to June 30, a situation so bad he says it threatens the very existence of Qantas as a group.
It is rare for Qantas to reveal the performance of its passenger carrying brands in isolation from each other.
Investors are told how much the so called ‘loyalty’ program makes from selling frequent flyer points to people selling petrol, groceries and or running card programs, but as a matter of policy, the actual figures for Qantas domestic, Qantaslink, Qantas international, and the Jetstar franchises, are mix mastered into a blend as commercial-in-confidence.
But not yesterday. At a National Press Club luncheon at which reporters asked the most obsequious and feeble questions Joyce has probably faced in his career, he said the overseas full service operation would loose $200 million on a $5 billion investment.
While the cross subsidisation of Jetstar by Qantas is a zero sum game for investors, it is also the dark matter that distorts the visible Qantas universe.
When investors, and government, and employees, are told that Jetstar is the highly profitable growth engine of Qantas group operations, they are kept in ignorance as to how well Jetstar and the full service brands would perform if billions of dollars worth of Airbuses, much of their fuel, and some of the maintenance, training and other costs of Jetstar were reported on a divisional basis, rather than blended into a mystery pudding.
These figures are also important because without them, the slaughter that is coming to Qantas long haul cannot be truly assessed by the investment community as a brilliant strategy, or as a potential disaster for the Qantas brand and its future.
Whatever the fiscal truth about Jetstar, and there is no denying its success in winning low fare customers (but discouraging higher yielding passengers) it is not a $10 million dollar seed capital venture like Virgin Blue, which took and kept more than 30 per cent of the domestic market.
Instead, Jetstar has been a massively costly exercise for Qantas. A very successful exercise, but one lacking in transparency in terms of the relative performances of all the Qantas divisions if their costs and assets are fully accounted for.
How real is the $200 million loss for Qantas international? Not only is that under a cloud, but so are management decisions that would easily account for that $200 million in botched fleet decisions, uncompetitive product, and appalling network and schedule strategies.
It is almost as if Qantas international has been robbed of assets and set up to fail.
Qantas is considering a number of international options. Its impending embrace of more joint business ventures with other carriers is widely admired in other markets where it has been used to deliver benefits to investors and consumers alike. It is precisely what Virgin Australia is doing with its ventures with Singapore Airlines, Etihad, Delta Airlines and Air New Zealand.
However going on recent decisions, those deals only get regulatory approval in Australia and abroad if there is a guarantee by the parties to maintain existing capacity, rather than reduce their combined operations.
The other card Qantas has showed is the off-shoring of activities in which a controlled or financed subsidiary based in Singapore, or Kuala Lumpur, or perhaps Shanghai, takes over some of the flying Qantas does to and from Australia at lower wages and conditions, as well as participating in traffic originating in the region hosting the enterprise.
This comes with risks on a scale comparable to those Qantas is seeking to retire by quitting some of its loss making Australian based long haul flying.
Two things may happen to Australian forays into strongly defended Asian markets. They may get eaten alive by the established national competitors, whether breweries, or factories, or distributors, or airlines, or eaten alive by them as supposedly equal partners in a common venture.
Qantas has already revealed its hand in relation to flying costs at Jetstar, proposing a labor sharing arrangement in which pilots from its Asia based and New Zealand franchises could also be shifted into Australia for duty tours, for the terms and conditions under which they are employed in their home countries.
The emphasis Qantas is placing on solving its international underperformance is good. But are the answers rigged?
This report first appeared in today’s Crickey Daily Mail bulletin
Qantas should disclose true Jetstar figures before the August 24 restructure | Plane Talking
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The commentary Qantas CEO Alan Joyce gave yesterday concerning the restructuring of its international services means August 24, when all is revealed, will be a flag lowering day, a bloody day, with the loss of experienced pilot jobs and a retreat from poorly performing routes after what he promised would be a review made with ‘ruthless but honest’ eyes.
If ‘honesty’ is at play in these decisions, much more detail is required.
Just how much has the claimed poor performance of an airline Australians expect to service their links to the world been a consequence of gifting jets and other benefits from the full service brands to the Jetstar brands?
How much of it has been poor fleet and route decisions, which have seen Australians choosing faster and easier trips on other carriers, even if, as sometimes happens, they pay Emirates, Singapore Airlines or other competitors slightly more for their services?
Surely it has cost hundreds of millions of dollars more than the $200 million Joyce predicts Qantas international will lose in the year to June 30, a situation so bad he says it threatens the very existence of Qantas as a group.
It is rare for Qantas to reveal the performance of its passenger carrying brands in isolation from each other.
Investors are told how much the so called ‘loyalty’ program makes from selling frequent flyer points to people selling petrol, groceries and or running card programs, but as a matter of policy, the actual figures for Qantas domestic, Qantaslink, Qantas international, and the Jetstar franchises, are mix mastered into a blend as commercial-in-confidence.
But not yesterday. At a National Press Club luncheon at which reporters asked the most obsequious and feeble questions Joyce has probably faced in his career, he said the overseas full service operation would loose $200 million on a $5 billion investment.
While the cross subsidisation of Jetstar by Qantas is a zero sum game for investors, it is also the dark matter that distorts the visible Qantas universe.
When investors, and government, and employees, are told that Jetstar is the highly profitable growth engine of Qantas group operations, they are kept in ignorance as to how well Jetstar and the full service brands would perform if billions of dollars worth of Airbuses, much of their fuel, and some of the maintenance, training and other costs of Jetstar were reported on a divisional basis, rather than blended into a mystery pudding.
These figures are also important because without them, the slaughter that is coming to Qantas long haul cannot be truly assessed by the investment community as a brilliant strategy, or as a potential disaster for the Qantas brand and its future.
Whatever the fiscal truth about Jetstar, and there is no denying its success in winning low fare customers (but discouraging higher yielding passengers) it is not a $10 million dollar seed capital venture like Virgin Blue, which took and kept more than 30 per cent of the domestic market.
Instead, Jetstar has been a massively costly exercise for Qantas. A very successful exercise, but one lacking in transparency in terms of the relative performances of all the Qantas divisions if their costs and assets are fully accounted for.
How real is the $200 million loss for Qantas international? Not only is that under a cloud, but so are management decisions that would easily account for that $200 million in botched fleet decisions, uncompetitive product, and appalling network and schedule strategies.
It is almost as if Qantas international has been robbed of assets and set up to fail.
Qantas is considering a number of international options. Its impending embrace of more joint business ventures with other carriers is widely admired in other markets where it has been used to deliver benefits to investors and consumers alike. It is precisely what Virgin Australia is doing with its ventures with Singapore Airlines, Etihad, Delta Airlines and Air New Zealand.
However going on recent decisions, those deals only get regulatory approval in Australia and abroad if there is a guarantee by the parties to maintain existing capacity, rather than reduce their combined operations.
The other card Qantas has showed is the off-shoring of activities in which a controlled or financed subsidiary based in Singapore, or Kuala Lumpur, or perhaps Shanghai, takes over some of the flying Qantas does to and from Australia at lower wages and conditions, as well as participating in traffic originating in the region hosting the enterprise.
This comes with risks on a scale comparable to those Qantas is seeking to retire by quitting some of its loss making Australian based long haul flying.
Two things may happen to Australian forays into strongly defended Asian markets. They may get eaten alive by the established national competitors, whether breweries, or factories, or distributors, or airlines, or eaten alive by them as supposedly equal partners in a common venture.
Qantas has already revealed its hand in relation to flying costs at Jetstar, proposing a labor sharing arrangement in which pilots from its Asia based and New Zealand franchises could also be shifted into Australia for duty tours, for the terms and conditions under which they are employed in their home countries.
The emphasis Qantas is placing on solving its international underperformance is good. But are the answers rigged?
This report first appeared in today’s Crickey Daily Mail bulletin
Qantas should disclose true Jetstar figures before the August 24 restructure | Plane Talking
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yes BP will he have the guts to answer it....I dont think so he will let it hang till aug 24th...we all wait to see what happens,yet we still ask what do they WANT shhhhhhh I cannot hear you.....the rim
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International visitor NSW increase.
Try this link for the increase in international visitor to NSW, both Sydney and Melbourne figures show an increase in the number of international passengers and is still growing. The data indicates that the airline has lost a lot of market share which has happened while the pilots and lames were still under EBA's . There is only one conclusion to this and that is that management has not run the airline to provide customer service to the satisfaction of their customers, so they have walked to other airlines to get it. This is only one link but a google of the data shows that monthly figures have been increasing on all major ports in Australia at different rates but are still going up and have been for white some time. Google a recent SMH article on the same info has a lot of information that is also relevent
http://corporate.tourism.nsw.gov.au/...ot_YEMar11.pdf
http://corporate.tourism.nsw.gov.au/...ot_YEMar11.pdf
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From another thread. A radio interview with the pilots after Al's inspiring address.On the money!
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradi...622-pilots.mp3
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradi...622-pilots.mp3
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Irish wrecking crew
The so called sale of Qantas by Geoff started the demise, financial down grades and the formation of LCC. Hide all set up costs within the main group, pull of routes to grow the LCC. Hand over aircraft initially purchased to improve /upgrade domestic travel ( oops wrong type didn't read the fine print A330 - 200 long haul not suitable for short stuff).
Line up pay money for new types A380 & 787 - we've all seen the results of that decision, grounded after failure and can't get off the ground.
Every time AJ opens his mouth these days and mentions iconic brand he relates to Ansett. As CEO shouldn't he use this as a model of what not to do, but he seems hell bent on putting his feet in the foot prints left in the ashes.
Could his predecessors have made poor aircraft choices - YES.
Okay how much will it cost to continue down this path as opposed to bail out and get the right aircraft ?
The Sunstate **** fight started because we wanted an extra 1.3% more than they wanted to pay and 1 week extra holidays for the permanent night shift engineers. Which other operators/industries give quite happily.
QLink have now decided to cut the workforce from 37 engineers a little over 12 months ago to 10 LAME's and an undisclosed number of AME's, T/A's. This at probably one of the busiest turnaround hubs in the regional market. Obviously the aircraft will be maintained so thoroughly by the 3rd party maintenance that they will never breakdown coming or going from this port. Birds will not get in the way of these aircraft and lightning will not hit them.
Plus more aircraft coming.
Line up pay money for new types A380 & 787 - we've all seen the results of that decision, grounded after failure and can't get off the ground.
Every time AJ opens his mouth these days and mentions iconic brand he relates to Ansett. As CEO shouldn't he use this as a model of what not to do, but he seems hell bent on putting his feet in the foot prints left in the ashes.
Could his predecessors have made poor aircraft choices - YES.
Okay how much will it cost to continue down this path as opposed to bail out and get the right aircraft ?
The Sunstate **** fight started because we wanted an extra 1.3% more than they wanted to pay and 1 week extra holidays for the permanent night shift engineers. Which other operators/industries give quite happily.
QLink have now decided to cut the workforce from 37 engineers a little over 12 months ago to 10 LAME's and an undisclosed number of AME's, T/A's. This at probably one of the busiest turnaround hubs in the regional market. Obviously the aircraft will be maintained so thoroughly by the 3rd party maintenance that they will never breakdown coming or going from this port. Birds will not get in the way of these aircraft and lightning will not hit them.
Plus more aircraft coming.
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Judging by the comments on this (and other) threads, AJ has not been successful in pulling the wool over anyones eyes.
I beleive it's time for him to save face and stop wasting investor's money.
I beleive it's time for him to save face and stop wasting investor's money.
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Speculation Only.August 23. A slow or (fast?)transition to the Asian hubs for QF International. All Int heavy maint/minor maint performed os (380 and "the game changer") (after 744 retired).Sydney Base wound down and all oz ports become line stops only for the "feeder a/c". Excess engineering staff from Int and "Lame on Demand" to support Dom o/night servicing.White collar airline support staff numbers reduced dramatically, management numbers reduced dramatically, income tax revenue reduced dramatically, aussie jobs reduced dramatically, exec bonuses thru the roof, a plan hatched well before Joyce.The original rat dies a painfull death in the asian playground.Virgin goes gangbusters with better product.Jester loses its support system and oil prices go up.Comments?
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August 23 speculation
QF announce plans to start offshore international mainline hub. Most likely in Malaysia, including MAS major maintenance alliance MRO. "QANTASIA" - overseas base, overseas crewed and overseas maintained and registered aircraft but still happy to have Spirit of Australia scrawled down the side. They'll claim it's just to supplement AUS based international mainline but it will eventually take over like Jet* with all the profitable routes and all the new aircraft.
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Might as well give Emirates Airlines the title, "the new, Spirit of Australia" Since they sponser Australian events and are increasing international flights in-out of Australia.
Wont be long before Virgin is flying the flag!
Wont be long before Virgin is flying the flag!
What does being AUSTRALIAN mean??
All,
have a read of the Borghetti interview in the current AUSTRALIAN AVIATION.
Have a look at his picture-dressed to perfection,an image that sets him apart as a ceo,read his answers to the many questions he was asked,take note of his views on what it means to have the word AUSTRALIA painted on his aircraft and read his views on how important the staff are and how he listens to opinions and ideas from them.
It is unbelievable that this guy is able to recognise the value of employees,take their ideas on board & also know how to get the best out of people,yet he was'nt good enough to be offered a CEO title a couple of years ago at a company that also professes to be 'AUSTRALIAN'.
The current managment of that other "AUSTRALIAN' company should be reading his interview very carefully and they should hang their heads in shame for what they are trying to do.They should also remember that the flying public are not fools & that they are now awake to what is actually going on & not fooled by the on going media stunts & constant negativity.
have a read of the Borghetti interview in the current AUSTRALIAN AVIATION.
Have a look at his picture-dressed to perfection,an image that sets him apart as a ceo,read his answers to the many questions he was asked,take note of his views on what it means to have the word AUSTRALIA painted on his aircraft and read his views on how important the staff are and how he listens to opinions and ideas from them.
It is unbelievable that this guy is able to recognise the value of employees,take their ideas on board & also know how to get the best out of people,yet he was'nt good enough to be offered a CEO title a couple of years ago at a company that also professes to be 'AUSTRALIAN'.
The current managment of that other "AUSTRALIAN' company should be reading his interview very carefully and they should hang their heads in shame for what they are trying to do.They should also remember that the flying public are not fools & that they are now awake to what is actually going on & not fooled by the on going media stunts & constant negativity.
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Sorry to rain on your parade,but dealt with Borgetti in a delay situation when he was a Qf and I can tell you his people skills left a lot to be desired....if ya think he's the shining light be very very careful!
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Qantas Sales Act
Part of the act reads as follows:
I think paragraph h) would be able to be put to the test in court for any planned total offshoring of QF International. In particular "used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled International air transport services"
Surely it can't be argued that JQ and its employees contribute to the aggregate mentioned in the act.?
As far as I am aware, JQ use the old IMPULSE airways AOC (domestically anyway). Also due to it being a subsidiary, JQ can be sold at any time without complying to the Act, so how can it be used in the aggregate calculation? Frequent Flyer also a subsidary.
Also JQ only have at this stage around 10 A330's and some A320's making International services.
Care to comment anyone?
Part of the act reads as follows:
Quote:
(e)
prohibit Qantas from taking any action to bring about a change of its company name to a name that does not include the expression "Qantas"; and
(f)
prohibit Qantas from conducting scheduled International air transport passenger services under a name other than:
(i)
its company name; or
(ii)
a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"; and
(g)
require that the head office of Qantas always be located in Australia; and
(h)
require that of the facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services (for example, facilities for the maintenance and housing of aircraft, catering, flight operations, training and administration), the facilities located in Australia, when compared with those located in any other country, must represent the principal operational centre for Qantas; and
(i)
require that, at all times, at least two-thirds of the directors of Qantas are to be Australian citizens; and
(j)
require that, at a meeting of the board of directors of Qantas, the director presiding at the meeting (however described) must be an Australian citizen; and
(k)
prohibit Qantas, at all times, from taking any action to become incorporated outside Australia.
(e)
prohibit Qantas from taking any action to bring about a change of its company name to a name that does not include the expression "Qantas"; and
(f)
prohibit Qantas from conducting scheduled International air transport passenger services under a name other than:
(i)
its company name; or
(ii)
a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"; and
(g)
require that the head office of Qantas always be located in Australia; and
(h)
require that of the facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services (for example, facilities for the maintenance and housing of aircraft, catering, flight operations, training and administration), the facilities located in Australia, when compared with those located in any other country, must represent the principal operational centre for Qantas; and
(i)
require that, at all times, at least two-thirds of the directors of Qantas are to be Australian citizens; and
(j)
require that, at a meeting of the board of directors of Qantas, the director presiding at the meeting (however described) must be an Australian citizen; and
(k)
prohibit Qantas, at all times, from taking any action to become incorporated outside Australia.
I think paragraph h) would be able to be put to the test in court for any planned total offshoring of QF International. In particular "used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled International air transport services"
Surely it can't be argued that JQ and its employees contribute to the aggregate mentioned in the act.?
As far as I am aware, JQ use the old IMPULSE airways AOC (domestically anyway). Also due to it being a subsidiary, JQ can be sold at any time without complying to the Act, so how can it be used in the aggregate calculation? Frequent Flyer also a subsidary.
Also JQ only have at this stage around 10 A330's and some A320's making International services.
Care to comment anyone?