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Old 16th Oct 2011, 03:03
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Ms Wirth said she could not put a monetary figure on the cost of the industrial action so far, but said it had already resulted in the loss of 60,000 man-hours.
Wow so therefore by Ms OW's estimation:

Eng = $170,000.00 p.a. / 52weeks x 38 hours = $86.03 per hour

$86.03 x 60,000 manhours = $5.1mill
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Remember that big backlog of lost manhours.

Remember the number of engineers they want out by April 2011 ?

A breakdown of the redundancies was explained with the following impact on Engineering. Qantas advised us that the changes take effect from April 2012 and may not all necessarily be voluntary.

20-30 in Base Maintenance Sydney due to the retirement of 4 x 747-400 aircraft.

128 LAMEs across the country due to the commencement of maintenance on demand.

40 transfers in Sydney to Base maintenance due to maintenance on demand.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 03:24
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YEAR MONTH DEPARTURES
2005 October 25280
2005 November 24303
2005 December 25052

2006 October 26210
2006 November 25525
2006 December 25728

2007 October 26795
2007 November 26466
2007 December 27477

2008 October 30829
2008 November 29580
2008 December 29864

2009 October 30087
2009 November 28939
2009 December 29359

2010 October 32584
2010 November 31723
2010 December 33289



Now this is such an amazing coincidence that Qantas just happens to remove 100 flights a week. Considering Qantas has a 65% market share, the proportion of dropped flights seems to coincide with the Qantas segment share of the 65% total market share in previous years.

Now did I just shoot a bullet through the bull**** balloon that Qantas started flying the other day ?

I think I did.
Interesting analysis, and you may be on to something, but be careful with those damn statistics... For example, in comparing November to October and December, have you taken into account November having only 30 days, whilst October and December have 31? If the company is going to stand accused of twisting the facts, you have to be careful not to inadvertently also do it...
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If Qantas are seriously considering removing 168 highly qualified, experienced and dedicated LAMEs from the Line Australia wide, they will be even more delayed and less reliable than during any dispute, and I for one will no longer fly with them if I can avoid them.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 05:26
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i love it 600 ft

somebody get on this for heaven's sakes -
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ferderal member in ticket for protection,mmm the plot thickens

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Good one 600, this shows the connections. Mr Ferguson should be conflicted out of any further involvement in the matter.

Perhaps this could be dealt with behind closed doors rather than a public stoush unless absolutely necessary.
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Its all here http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/pmi/declarations.htm Note That Members are required to notify any alterations to those interests to the Registrar within 28 days of the alteration occurring. Alterations to Members' statements are tabled at the end of the Autumn, Winter and Spring sessions of Parliament.
OHALLEN Asks that Perhaps this could be dealt with behind closed doors well that's crap the information is there for all to see and should be widely out there with links etc on the ALAEA web site otherwise this lot just continue on there merry way.
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Perhaps this could be dealt with behind closed doors rather than a public stoush unless absolutely necessary.
No, MF thinks he is untouchable... blinded by the hospitality that goes with his job. Don't give this guy one inch.... the tide is turning against what people believe now at a grass roots level.



Their little game is up....
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Will defer to your greater wisdom.

My point was that if you take him out of the play quietly, you resist the urge to fight everyone in the room even though that is the example that is being set for you by AJ.

Not all battles have to be public especially given they have far greater resources at hand.
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MF and his like are all on a good earner they only reason to accept all these free gifts upgardes tickets is all down to greed and thinking no one will kick up about it well times are a changeing people are fed up with it.
Look up your local member or one of the more well known they are all in it for what they can get.
Also interesting to see Bill Shorten has also been a guest of Qantas at the football how nice.

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ohallen, your point is perfectly valid, and a good one indeed, please accept my apology if I sounded harsh... not my intention at all. I believe we have too many players in this mess already, MF is past the use by date.

If AJ was a good manager, Qantas would not be in this mess we see today, and should not call on his government mates to help him out. Frankly MF is as useless as an ashtray on a motorbike. he always has been in my view..

He has been a terrible minister in this portfolio, possibly he is only interested in making sure he and possibly his son gets to NZ and back for the rugby.
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So, are Mar'n and Olivier married, or partners, by any chance?!
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To add to 600ft-lb post -check out this which was forwarded to me today - not sure which business/company it's from though. You can guess just like I had to.




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Qantas advised us that the changes take effect from April 2012 and may not all necessarily be voluntary.
They will have to put that on hold. By April next year the backlog will be too large.

somebody get on this for heaven's sakes -
If the libs make something of it then it's all over for labor.
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lets see if the hit the trip wire.....
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QF2 B744 OJS engine failure out of BKK return to BKK
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only thing is I don't think the Libs would want to broadcast their freebies either, so nothing may come of it
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But haven't we always known that Qantas gets its influence by licking politicians backsides?

How about we start a movement to split the Federal Governments travel accounts equally between VA and QF?

Qantas employs "Customer Journey Managers" I found one on this link:

sebastian zagarella - Australia | LinkedIn

and here:


There is an outside person called 'customer journey manager' who decides on the day who they are going to upgrade due to Yclass being full. They can see when you were last upgraded and will pick someone else due for an upgrade if you've had a couple in the recently! These are decided well in advance of you even checking in. Mostly on 3 class services.

Other flights such as the QF21 to Narita, upgrades 'anyone' even no FF status, when they have to - usually done at last minute - often checkin staff are asked to look for 'suitables'. Usually happens when there are large groups of Japanese students down the back. If this is the case, you will not get upgraded if you are wearing jeans, thongs or just don't look the part!

Operational Upgrades - Page 2
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