Pilots of Australia - time to unite - Meeting Aug 23
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Mainstream media - Fridays Australian
PILOTS angry about changes to flying at Jetstar | The Australian
And here is a preview of what might hamper your efforts:
Liberals break policy silence on air strategy | The Australian
The almighty dollar!
1000's and 1000's of "Australian" trained students. Thats right trained here to take your jobs on a bowl of rice jetstar salary.
PILOTS angry about changes to flying at Jetstar will meet in Sydney on Monday to discuss their response.
They are also angry at suggestions the first 787s to be delivered to the Qantas Group may be operated out of Singapore. More than 100 off-duty pilots have already confirmed they will attend the meeting, organised by the Australian and International Pilots Association, and officials expect a strong turnout. Qantas pilots are being encouraged to attend and representatives from Jetstar New Zealand and Virgin Blue are also expected to be present. The pilots oppose Jetstar decisions to base Australian-registered aircraft in Singapore and a pilot transfer scheme. They also fear that a move to allow overseas pilots to fly in Australia under a new company is an assault on their conditions.
JETSTAR will boost services in the Perth market by 60 per cent with daily A320 Perth-Brisbane flights starting in December and Perth-Gold Coast services taking off in April. The low-cost airline will also expand its Perth-Melbourne services from 14 to 18 times weekly and Perth-Sydney from seven to 11 times a week. The expansion will be supported by a multi-million-dollar three-year joint marketing agreement with the WA government, expected to bring an additional 120,000 visitors and $117 million in tourism revenue.
They are also angry at suggestions the first 787s to be delivered to the Qantas Group may be operated out of Singapore. More than 100 off-duty pilots have already confirmed they will attend the meeting, organised by the Australian and International Pilots Association, and officials expect a strong turnout. Qantas pilots are being encouraged to attend and representatives from Jetstar New Zealand and Virgin Blue are also expected to be present. The pilots oppose Jetstar decisions to base Australian-registered aircraft in Singapore and a pilot transfer scheme. They also fear that a move to allow overseas pilots to fly in Australia under a new company is an assault on their conditions.
JETSTAR will boost services in the Perth market by 60 per cent with daily A320 Perth-Brisbane flights starting in December and Perth-Gold Coast services taking off in April. The low-cost airline will also expand its Perth-Melbourne services from 14 to 18 times weekly and Perth-Sydney from seven to 11 times a week. The expansion will be supported by a multi-million-dollar three-year joint marketing agreement with the WA government, expected to bring an additional 120,000 visitors and $117 million in tourism revenue.
And here is a preview of what might hamper your efforts:
Liberals break policy silence on air strategy | The Australian
The almighty dollar!
1000's and 1000's of "Australian" trained students. Thats right trained here to take your jobs on a bowl of rice jetstar salary.
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Be careful - be very careful. You can be sure that the gutter press journos will follow you from the meeting and try to eavesdrop on your conversations, then let rip with a slanted, sensational story for the next days papers.
Watch your collective six!
Watch your collective six!
I am pretty sure they will be writting headlines like... "Jetstar pilots get a taste of their own medicine" or "Australian pilots continue to sign the first contract that is handed to them"... word on the street is that JQ are having no problem at all filling the front seats in any of their operations. I am sorry if this upsets people but this boat started to sail years ago!
It is good to see that crew are staring to realise the error of ways, hopefully we can put a stop to crews undercutting each other by being selfish and short sighted!!!... United we conquer, divided we fall!!
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I certainly think we do need to be careful of how the press write the story.
It's a fine line between - the reality;
wanting to keep Australian jobs for Australian pilots/not wanting to have our Terms and Conditions declined
and the untrue but easy written headline for a journo (BS that's going to sell papers);
"Pilots demand more money".
It DOES need to be considered. I hope that AIPA have thought to select appropriate journalists to write the story.
EVERYONE WHO ATTENDS. Please keep this in mind. It would be very easy for poor journalists to write a sensationalist story if they get the wrong vibes from the pilots.
It's a fine line between - the reality;
wanting to keep Australian jobs for Australian pilots/not wanting to have our Terms and Conditions declined
and the untrue but easy written headline for a journo (BS that's going to sell papers);
"Pilots demand more money".
It DOES need to be considered. I hope that AIPA have thought to select appropriate journalists to write the story.
EVERYONE WHO ATTENDS. Please keep this in mind. It would be very easy for poor journalists to write a sensationalist story if they get the wrong vibes from the pilots.
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Really??? Just wondering would they be Australian pilots?
Really??? Just wondering would they be Australian pilots? QUOTE]
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Only an 89er would understand the 'closing of the sorry circle' significance of the date of this meeting, for it was on the 24th of August 1989 that the slide into the current abyss that is our once fine industry started.
Gents and ladies, let me wish you well on what you will decide that day - and urge you, every one of you, to put aside any and every difference that might in any way stop you ALL from uniting into one united group.
There will be the naysayers. Don't let them win as they did in 1989.
Gents and ladies, let me wish you well on what you will decide that day - and urge you, every one of you, to put aside any and every difference that might in any way stop you ALL from uniting into one united group.
There will be the naysayers. Don't let them win as they did in 1989.
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Just scanning through some of the earlier threads and have to say that this, from Neptunus Rex, is the best advice I've seen so far.
Don't for one moment think that the public cares a tuppeny you-know-what about safety and the superior professional standards of Australian pilots. We 89ers fell into that particular pit. Get a professional PR company and FOLLOW the expensive advice they give you.
Invest in a good PR company and fight fire with fire.
Sod the roster gods!!!
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Don't for one moment think that the public cares a tuppeny you-know-what about safety and the superior professional standards of Australian pilots.
I am public, I fly a lot and I definitlely give a tuppeny about the standard of the people flying the aircraft my arse is in. I will pay more to know this.
In fact I thought I already did. ( by the company I choose to fly with )
For what its worth, I support your stand.
I am railway and have seen similar attacks occur in my industry.( Not of the same scale, but, still attacking good Aussie stock.)
Good Luck.
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Listening to Australia News Network and they are reporting that AIPA is organising a meeting because J* pilots are dissatisfied with salaries pilots will get paid for the SIN-MEL sector.
Humble suggestion: can I suggest you concentrate on safety and the implications of fast-tracking non-Australian trained and licenced aircrew. Get a PR company to start working on this (PR is important - seen the Gruen Transfer?). Airlines can spend millions on advertising but this expenditure is pointless if the public perceives they are reducing safety margins - and as we know that's exactly what they are trying to do, purely to further line their own pockets with $.
Going-on about salaries will win no public support. That improvement will come about as a natural part of the looming global shortage (see the Asian Forum - this shortage as already savaging Tiger and PAL).
Focus on safety. This is the key to success not salaries.
Humble suggestion: can I suggest you concentrate on safety and the implications of fast-tracking non-Australian trained and licenced aircrew. Get a PR company to start working on this (PR is important - seen the Gruen Transfer?). Airlines can spend millions on advertising but this expenditure is pointless if the public perceives they are reducing safety margins - and as we know that's exactly what they are trying to do, purely to further line their own pockets with $.
Going-on about salaries will win no public support. That improvement will come about as a natural part of the looming global shortage (see the Asian Forum - this shortage as already savaging Tiger and PAL).
Focus on safety. This is the key to success not salaries.
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Crap.
I am public, I fly a lot and I definitlely give a tuppeny about the standard of the people flying the aircraft my arse is in. I will pay more to know this.
I am public, I fly a lot and I definitlely give a tuppeny about the standard of the people flying the aircraft my arse is in. I will pay more to know this.
I agree with ALR to a degree - the companies are already cleverly skewing this - in the public's eye - into a 'fat cats protecting their cushy jobs' pay dispute. You need a professional PR company to advise you. By all means push the safety and professionalism angles, (they're really all you've got), but don't expect Bruce & Brenda Bogan to buy it. All they want is to get to their destination as cheaply as possible.
Good luck to you all.
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I recently traveled and had the choice of Qantas, PB, AirNZ and Jetstar... Qantas and Air NZ were the cheapest and they have the best service!? Whats going on? Maybe JS and PB are just trying to make the "most" money. (especially when you have to pay for water on PB).
Thanks for the awesome service with a smile QANTAS. As a Bogan I am now willing to pay a little more if I have to.
Thanks for the awesome service with a smile QANTAS. As a Bogan I am now willing to pay a little more if I have to.
Its D Day for Aviation Professionals
I wont be able to attend Mondays meeting in Sydney due work commitments. However I would like to see a similar meeting held in each capital city if thats possible. Further more, I would like to see a fighting fund created to take on the management of any company who wish to export Australian jobs.
If we can raise just $100 from every pilot, AME, LAME, cabin crew, CSA, charter pilot, instructor, student pilot, we have a fighting chance to keep jobs in Australia. I reckon I can raise $1000 from my workmates alone.
We also need to get key people on side.
Alan Jones 2GB
Neil Mitchell 3AW
Dick Smith
Jerry Harvey
John Singleton
A current Affair
Today Tonight
We need media coverage, get the message out to the people thats its jobs for Aussies and safety thats at risk. We are all in it together, those in the airlines and those hoping to get there. But thats not all. EVERY role in an airline can be exported, operations, engineering, accounting, IT.
Its is time people, that we must band together as a profession, aircrew and ground staff alike,whether you are big jet driver or VFR bugsmasher driver. JQ, QF,DJ, Tiger or outback GA.
Most of all, we need to speak as one, a united voice. We want to....must preserve job opportunities for not just ourselves, but our children. If they can do it to pilots, then every other job categry in Australia is at risk.
If we fail, I think I will just throw my Licence and Logbook in the trash and just walk away.
If we can raise just $100 from every pilot, AME, LAME, cabin crew, CSA, charter pilot, instructor, student pilot, we have a fighting chance to keep jobs in Australia. I reckon I can raise $1000 from my workmates alone.
We also need to get key people on side.
Alan Jones 2GB
Neil Mitchell 3AW
Dick Smith
Jerry Harvey
John Singleton
A current Affair
Today Tonight
We need media coverage, get the message out to the people thats its jobs for Aussies and safety thats at risk. We are all in it together, those in the airlines and those hoping to get there. But thats not all. EVERY role in an airline can be exported, operations, engineering, accounting, IT.
Its is time people, that we must band together as a profession, aircrew and ground staff alike,whether you are big jet driver or VFR bugsmasher driver. JQ, QF,DJ, Tiger or outback GA.
Most of all, we need to speak as one, a united voice. We want to....must preserve job opportunities for not just ourselves, but our children. If they can do it to pilots, then every other job categry in Australia is at risk.
If we fail, I think I will just throw my Licence and Logbook in the trash and just walk away.
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The key to the entire meeting's success is to involve the likes of the Virgin pilots and the Tiger pilots. Of course J* and QF will turn up as its happening inside their company. When pilots from other companies start turning up THEN you have a fighting chance.
My gut feeling is that this will not occur. Not because the other companies pilots don't support their J* QF brothers but purely and simply that they are not aware of what is taking place. I've spoken to VB mates and none of them have any idea of it.
I suspect the AFAP don't support the cause and thus a significant portion of the VB Tiger workforce won't even know its on. Does anyone know what VIPA are saying?
My gut feeling is that this will not occur. Not because the other companies pilots don't support their J* QF brothers but purely and simply that they are not aware of what is taking place. I've spoken to VB mates and none of them have any idea of it.
I suspect the AFAP don't support the cause and thus a significant portion of the VB Tiger workforce won't even know its on. Does anyone know what VIPA are saying?
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Stand united and these B@STARDS have no where to go. Without sounding alarmist this is most likely the most important time in Australian aviation in a very long time. If you make your living flying planes this will determine your future.
Lets stop these mongrels having their day in the KPI/ Bonus sun.
The word is they, ( the B@STARDS) are very concerned.
Time is up for the band-aid boys.
M
Lets stop these mongrels having their day in the KPI/ Bonus sun.
The word is they, ( the B@STARDS) are very concerned.
Time is up for the band-aid boys.
M