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Nothin against Skywest young fella. Although I'd hate to be under the management of a few folk there by the sounds of some of the posts in this forum in the past, many of which seem to come from XR crew.
Nothin "nasty" XRlent, just reporting what I hear.
Nothin against Skywest young fella. Although I'd hate to be under the management of a few folk there by the sounds of some of the posts in this forum in the past, many of which seem to come from XR crew.
Nothin "nasty" XRlent, just reporting what I hear.
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Mind you, I hear CASA are close to revoking the RNAV approach capability for all 3rd party installed GPS systems that are not multi mode integrated units anyway
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I drove past John Holland this morning and sure enough, it was there parked outside their hangars. Here are some pics taken from outside the fence.
Its view was obscured by the F100 that was parked next to it. Looks like it still has its UK registration painted on.
.. thread drift, but couldn't help noticing a Dash 8-Q400 parked there as well. VH-QOM. Is this aircraft a newly delivered Dash 8 for Qantaslink?
Its view was obscured by the F100 that was parked next to it. Looks like it still has its UK registration painted on.
.. thread drift, but couldn't help noticing a Dash 8-Q400 parked there as well. VH-QOM. Is this aircraft a newly delivered Dash 8 for Qantaslink?
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Hi Evilc
Just interested to your comments as to GPS RNAV for the Fokker 100:
You state:
Why does a Cat C transport category aircraft need a Multi mode integrated unit for a RNAV approach? These units are required for RNP approaches but not RNAV.
Also why would CASA revoke this? I am interested to your opinion, in the above Pararagph you state, Cloudbreak better buy an NDB me thinks. Would CASA prefer a aircraft due a Reversal procedure off a NDB rather than a straight in approach provided by RNAV?
Even if the NDB approach was runway aligned, I would still prefer the RNAV approach.
You mention 3rd party type installations for GPS RNAV.
If you are referring to the Alliance machines. They have been flying RNAV approaches for just on four years. At the time of fitment, there was no other multi mode integrated GPS installation available. Hence their 3rd party solution. Therefore, in Aus and possibly all other operators, Alliance were the only operator able to do GPS RNAV in the F100.
Last year Fokker services announced a partnership with Freeflight systems to provide a multi mode integrated GPS installation:
http://www.freeflightsystems.com/doc...SS_Leaflet.pdf
Air Nuigini are the launch customer for this, it is been trialled in one of their F100's at present.
Skywest Airlines have chosen this installation for their fleet of F100's. Whether they waited for this type of mod to be available I am unsure. Once fitted their fleet will be RNP capable not RNAV. Also it will allow a GPS out to be provided for ADS-B.
Cheers.
K-Ex.
Just interested to your comments as to GPS RNAV for the Fokker 100:
You state:
Mind you, I hear CASA are close to revoking the RNAV approach capability for all 3rd party installed GPS systems that are not multi mode integrated units anyway, so the F100 will be in the same boat soon also. Cloudbreak better buy an NDB methinks
Also why would CASA revoke this? I am interested to your opinion, in the above Pararagph you state, Cloudbreak better buy an NDB me thinks. Would CASA prefer a aircraft due a Reversal procedure off a NDB rather than a straight in approach provided by RNAV?
Even if the NDB approach was runway aligned, I would still prefer the RNAV approach.
You mention 3rd party type installations for GPS RNAV.
If you are referring to the Alliance machines. They have been flying RNAV approaches for just on four years. At the time of fitment, there was no other multi mode integrated GPS installation available. Hence their 3rd party solution. Therefore, in Aus and possibly all other operators, Alliance were the only operator able to do GPS RNAV in the F100.
Last year Fokker services announced a partnership with Freeflight systems to provide a multi mode integrated GPS installation:
http://www.freeflightsystems.com/doc...SS_Leaflet.pdf
Air Nuigini are the launch customer for this, it is been trialled in one of their F100's at present.
Skywest Airlines have chosen this installation for their fleet of F100's. Whether they waited for this type of mod to be available I am unsure. Once fitted their fleet will be RNP capable not RNAV. Also it will allow a GPS out to be provided for ADS-B.
Cheers.
K-Ex.
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Hi K-Ex
Couldn't agree more on the RNAV v's NDB approach bit. For my money no one should need to buy an NDB these days, but just now it would be the least expensive solution. Compared to the retro fit of a fully integrated on board GPS system in an old aircraft that is. Mind you, Alliance look after their ships, so it might be a worthwhile investment for them.
The talking I heard at CASA was only in relation to the use of 3rd party systems for RNAV approaches, not RNAV enroute navigation. Certainly RNP can only be done with Multi Mode Integrated units, but I understand CASA are not keen on the use of the stand alone units for RNAV approaches either. Not sure of the time lines, I heard "later this year", but we all know how CASA's "timing" runs. Surely there will be industry consultation before the change?
P.S. Great to see the Skywest A320 in town. I just hope the CASA hurdles allow the boys to get their hands on it before years end, but as I have said before - I doubt it. I'm a Boeing man myself so would prefer to see Boeings arrive on our shores. But when you can get an Airbus for so much less than a Boeing I guess we'll see more arrive.
Couldn't agree more on the RNAV v's NDB approach bit. For my money no one should need to buy an NDB these days, but just now it would be the least expensive solution. Compared to the retro fit of a fully integrated on board GPS system in an old aircraft that is. Mind you, Alliance look after their ships, so it might be a worthwhile investment for them.
The talking I heard at CASA was only in relation to the use of 3rd party systems for RNAV approaches, not RNAV enroute navigation. Certainly RNP can only be done with Multi Mode Integrated units, but I understand CASA are not keen on the use of the stand alone units for RNAV approaches either. Not sure of the time lines, I heard "later this year", but we all know how CASA's "timing" runs. Surely there will be industry consultation before the change?
P.S. Great to see the Skywest A320 in town. I just hope the CASA hurdles allow the boys to get their hands on it before years end, but as I have said before - I doubt it. I'm a Boeing man myself so would prefer to see Boeings arrive on our shores. But when you can get an Airbus for so much less than a Boeing I guess we'll see more arrive.
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XRlent100 I agree with with u mate but if uneducated trigger happy ppl like evilc and cunninglinguist don't express how little they know about whats going on in the industry and especially companies in which they have absolutely no affiliation and hence credibility, how else will i get my daily laugh?
evilc, how about a little wager. You are very confident in thinking XR will never have the a320 going in 2010. If they do, will you agree to not posting on XR threads in the future? 
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Pitty Cunninglinguist didn't take that bet 4 odd years ago given his quote in a previous post:
"It's amazing how you crankers can turn your own bull
back onto me, I'm not the one who stated catergorically 4years ago " Skywest will definitely be operating 3-4 A320s within 6 months "."
Having said that I guess your challenge is a fair call Chad. I'm happy to put up or shut up. But we best set the ground rules first - A320 (VH-FNP from all reports) on the XR AOC under RPT in the Ops Specs with RNP-10 and RVSM approvals, plus exemption to operate on 30m runways (otherwise Cloudbreak would be out from my look in the ERSA). First commercial sector (carrying paying pax) before midnight on 31st Dec 2010. Sound fair?
Given CASA's service delivery standard of 130 business days (5.9 months) for the task of adding a new fleet type to an AOC we would need overuns of around 2 months. The aircraft came into Oz a "G" registered ship then I'm guessing the CofA is still not complete, so overrun possible.....
Now, the XR boys are saying "operating by June" in their posts. I'm sticking my neck out, so what will you boys offer if the aircraft is not operating by then? In fact I'll give you some grace.... lets say August 1st and I'll even waiver the 30m runway bit cause I have heard those "safety case" thingies are hard work. Sound fair?
Off to bed now as I'm a tad tired from researching all the stuff I know nothing about. So I'll check back tomorrow on your counter bet.
Pitty Cunninglinguist didn't take that bet 4 odd years ago given his quote in a previous post:
"It's amazing how you crankers can turn your own bull
back onto me, I'm not the one who stated catergorically 4years ago " Skywest will definitely be operating 3-4 A320s within 6 months "."Having said that I guess your challenge is a fair call Chad. I'm happy to put up or shut up. But we best set the ground rules first - A320 (VH-FNP from all reports) on the XR AOC under RPT in the Ops Specs with RNP-10 and RVSM approvals, plus exemption to operate on 30m runways (otherwise Cloudbreak would be out from my look in the ERSA). First commercial sector (carrying paying pax) before midnight on 31st Dec 2010. Sound fair?
Given CASA's service delivery standard of 130 business days (5.9 months) for the task of adding a new fleet type to an AOC we would need overuns of around 2 months. The aircraft came into Oz a "G" registered ship then I'm guessing the CofA is still not complete, so overrun possible.....
Now, the XR boys are saying "operating by June" in their posts. I'm sticking my neck out, so what will you boys offer if the aircraft is not operating by then? In fact I'll give you some grace.... lets say August 1st and I'll even waiver the 30m runway bit cause I have heard those "safety case" thingies are hard work. Sound fair?
Off to bed now as I'm a tad tired from researching all the stuff I know nothing about. So I'll check back tomorrow on your counter bet.
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You're on.
$100?
My bank account details in a PM to you.
Having said that I guess your challenge is a fair call Chad. I'm happy to put up or shut up. But we best set the ground rules first - A320 (VH-FNP from all reports) on the XR AOC under RPT in the Ops Specs with RNP-10 and RVSM approvals, plus exemption to operate on 30m runways (otherwise Cloudbreak would be out from my look in the ERSA). First commercial sector (carrying paying pax) before midnight on 31st Dec 2010. Sound fair?
$100?
My bank account details in a PM to you.
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Hang on..... WTF Perth Boy
The bet with Chad was that if I lose, I don't post on XR threads anymore, which is an interesting concept for an open forum, but hey I'm OK with that. Then when I ask what the XR boys would offer if the aircraft is not operational by June, (which was the foundation of the entire original thread and the basis of my initial post to point out that you guys are dreamin) you want me to take your bank details. Shouldn't it be the other way around chinaplate?
So I'll ask again, what will you boys offer in the bet if you fail to reach your happily sprooked timeline (which I have graciously given a buffer to - August 1st rather than June), which you believe I am sunch an evil "c" (or "nasty" I think was used - don't know what I'm talking about etc) in pointing out it simply won't happen.
Typical pilot..... thinking of how he can make money out of the situation. RTFQ mate.
The bet with Chad was that if I lose, I don't post on XR threads anymore, which is an interesting concept for an open forum, but hey I'm OK with that. Then when I ask what the XR boys would offer if the aircraft is not operational by June, (which was the foundation of the entire original thread and the basis of my initial post to point out that you guys are dreamin) you want me to take your bank details. Shouldn't it be the other way around chinaplate?
So I'll ask again, what will you boys offer in the bet if you fail to reach your happily sprooked timeline (which I have graciously given a buffer to - August 1st rather than June), which you believe I am sunch an evil "c" (or "nasty" I think was used - don't know what I'm talking about etc) in pointing out it simply won't happen.
Typical pilot..... thinking of how he can make money out of the situation. RTFQ mate.
Ive told you what you should agree to WHEN FNP is flying by the end of the year, (dunno why you can have 2 different time frames on the one wager- Although I am confident it will be up and going by August.)
Why dont you suggest something for the "XR boys" to do then?
Why dont you suggest something for the "XR boys" to do then?
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It's just one wager, Chad - It is a bet as to who is correct with their timing.
If I'm wrong I pay up by conceeding to your request, but I can't get any of you Perth guys to commit to an offering if your timing is wrong. Plain and simple - at least I thought it was.
If I'm wrong I pay up by conceeding to your request, but I can't get any of you Perth guys to commit to an offering if your timing is wrong. Plain and simple - at least I thought it was.
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XRlent100 I agree with with u mate but if uneducated trigger happy ppl like evilc and cunninglinguist don't express how little they know about whats going on in the industry
So remind me again, who knows jack 5hit about the industry ?
evilc, you know how it works these days, 6 mths on a jet or jetprop and they know it all, 10 months and they are whinging about not having a command, I am just go to ignore the kiddies from now on.
Plenty of rumors going around Karratha atm in regards to the A320.
Apparently Citec Pacific wants an east coast service where to/from I have no idea but can only assume Mel or Syd.
But CP has openly said they would like the a/c here 3 days a week to allow for added capacity to increase their workforce from Perth. But then again they did openly say they wanted to build an air strip capable of handling a 747/A380 to fly workers in direct from China.....but we are still waiting for that one
Interesting times ahead, will be great to see an A320 in and out of KTA. Even better when it doesn't have that death star logo on it!
Top End, you working for KFS? They must be doing pretty bloody well now with the shuttles over to Barrow Island?
Apparently Citec Pacific wants an east coast service where to/from I have no idea but can only assume Mel or Syd.
But CP has openly said they would like the a/c here 3 days a week to allow for added capacity to increase their workforce from Perth. But then again they did openly say they wanted to build an air strip capable of handling a 747/A380 to fly workers in direct from China.....but we are still waiting for that one
Interesting times ahead, will be great to see an A320 in and out of KTA. Even better when it doesn't have that death star logo on it!
Top End, you working for KFS? They must be doing pretty bloody well now with the shuttles over to Barrow Island?
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Clearly you're a lover not a fighter Trev, gotta respect that .... but the silence is defening from the west now, so I just gotta get the jungle drums going again ......
Thought I'd wait for a few weeks to see if any of the boys would take on the bet, but here we are just one month away from the date they reckon their A320 will be up and running and still no takers ???
The jungle drums I've been hearing indicate that it may just be because DJ seem to have been confirmed as operating Cloudbreak for XR. Not sure why that would occur if they are so close to launching the 320 ??
The drums and smoke signals also seem to be indicating that the entire FMG aviation tender may just be opened up to bids from all comers very soon. Hope that doesn't add too much commercial pressure to the 320 project team. Nothing worse than commercial pressure when you're under the pump.
Anyhoo... still happy to hear from the XR boys on what they are offering if FNP is not up and running in June. I hope it is, for the sake of their crew(they have waited long enough - through many management promises). However, given they (and I'm guessing that it is their management, not their fine pilot group, that are the "they" of which I speak) have given me such a hammering for even suggesting that this may not happen I would have thought there would be a rush to take on a bet .
Thought I'd wait for a few weeks to see if any of the boys would take on the bet, but here we are just one month away from the date they reckon their A320 will be up and running and still no takers ???
The jungle drums I've been hearing indicate that it may just be because DJ seem to have been confirmed as operating Cloudbreak for XR. Not sure why that would occur if they are so close to launching the 320 ??
The drums and smoke signals also seem to be indicating that the entire FMG aviation tender may just be opened up to bids from all comers very soon. Hope that doesn't add too much commercial pressure to the 320 project team. Nothing worse than commercial pressure when you're under the pump.
Anyhoo... still happy to hear from the XR boys on what they are offering if FNP is not up and running in June.
I hope it is, for the sake of their crew(they have waited long enough - through many management promises). However, given they (and I'm guessing that it is their management, not their fine pilot group, that are the "they" of which I speak) have given me such a hammering for even suggesting that this may not happen I would have thought there would be a rush to take on a bet .