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Old 12th Jun 2009, 02:07
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Does everyone interested in the redundancy have to sign the Expression of Interest? This guy was definitely in engineering. I don't want to give more info so that his privacy is assured. I wonder if the Estimate was predated for the meeting on the 30th April and he was given everything all at once. It worries me though that this is the kind of notice people are getting. "Oh by the way, if you want to be redundant here, sign this". What would have happened if no one put their hand up? Would they start drawing short straws?
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Old 12th Jun 2009, 05:42
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Rumpole, It has been standard practice in the 15+ years that I have been at Qantas. Redundancy EOI's are almost always over subscribed.
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Old 12th Jun 2009, 05:52
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Last time everyone is encouraged to look at the figures and put in an expression of interest if they want to go. Qantas engineering is still employing aprox 15 new starters starting on the 22 of june ( ame positions syd base)
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Old 12th Jun 2009, 08:58
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my understanding was that an EOI (for Lames) was basically your acceptance of a VR but with CR payout.
good to see some ames being hired.
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Old 12th Jun 2009, 10:17
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Rumpole, as BrissySparkyColt says, EoIs nearly always over subscribed. Also (initially) it is voluntary. Rumours were rife up here (CNS) that if they did not receive enough then it was going to come down to a scenario where everyone was re-interviewed for their job. As you can probably imagine that went down like the proverbial lead balloon. Anyhow, QF got the required numbers and that did not occur.
Estimates of Redundancy Entitlements (well mine at least) were run off the computer on April 20 with a projected termination of May 30. Well, QF obviously knew it was going to happen, so they had to pick a termination date and a time to hit the 'run' button on the computer, so I won't dag QF for that.
I don't want to know your friends name, but I doubt he's CNS based, as we are a fairly small port and if that had happened it would have leaked out somehow. And we sure as hell would have noticed if all of a sudden some one stopped showing up to work. If he's on PPRuNe (or if you want to), then PM me.
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Old 18th Jun 2009, 08:31
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looks like 4 team leaders gone in QCC1 (the glass booths). at least i still have one. initial rumour was that 6 would go so a better result for them.
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Old 21st Jun 2009, 08:33
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office still taking LWOP applications. my manager informed me that leave burn LSL is the current priority then "most likely" a VR package in short order followed by CR if necessary. co is reluctant re CR because the cheapest F/As on the payroll, QCCA, are the group to take the hit along with LHR, BKK and AKL bases. there is some speculation whether BKK will have their contract renewed ( due in september?). approximately 120 in that base. CR, if it happens, up to 6 months away
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Old 21st Jun 2009, 13:24
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Could someone clarify re compulsory redundancy? MAM casuals because they arent part of the Qantas group would they be let go first before QA, QCCA, QD etc? What about some casuals who have been employed in Qantas since 2003 etc, before people with career progression, and ex- Australian airlines crews (2006-2007), who would be let go first MAM or Qantas group employees?
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Old 21st Jun 2009, 13:51
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EOFY is coming up.

Qantas is asking for Leave Without Pay applcation's, Flexi Line's for BP 266, and Long Service Leave at Half Pay applications.

They applications need to be in by June 22nd, give's them enough time to look at the application's and the financial impact they will have, all well before the EOFY, wouldn't you say?

So, with all this, and all other department's having their lay off's done and dusted, would you think QF are waiting until the end in order to get an appreciation for the amount of flying they will save and costs they will save in order to save or make redundancies?
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Old 21st Jun 2009, 14:25
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Originally Posted by High Class Queen View Post
Could someone clarify re compulsory redundancy? MAM casuals because they arent part of the Qantas group would they be let go first before QA, QCCA, QD etc? What about some casuals who have been employed in Qantas since 2003 etc, before people with career progression, and ex- Australian airlines crews (2006-2007), who would be let go first MAM or Qantas group employees?
I doubt MAM would be let go in a CR as they are casual, although maybe you have something in your EBA about that.
In International, QCCA will go first with off shore bases sharing the love, as per our EBA.
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Old 21st Jun 2009, 21:42
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Close All off shore Bases

Close all off shore bases.
When the upturn begins increase the number of QCCA employees.
QCCA are far more cost effective(and Australian)than any of the off shore bases.
This would also save the jobs of current QCCA employees.
No CR should occur in Australia while off shore bases exist.
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Old 21st Jun 2009, 22:23
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Totally agreed DEFCON.

"The Spirit of Australia"

not the

"Spirit of Bangkok, Auckland or London!"

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Old 21st Jun 2009, 22:37
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So, Defcon

why then as a union you negotiate that ALL bases (incl.AKL/BKK/LHR) are part of CR? if you are so adament that aussie jobs should be protected you guys should have made a case against overseas bases. then again you guys are all talk no action??????
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Old 21st Jun 2009, 23:58
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Overseas Bases

Mr paxing, just so that you understand, because you clearly havent attended a union meeting for the last few years where this has been explained at infinitum (perhaps you are not a union member) hence why you say "you" meaning the union rather than "us" as being a member.

The Howard Workchoices legislation had a thing called "prohibited content" and "allowable matters" contained in it. What that in simple English meant was that no EBA could contain any clause the stopped or regulated outside workers , and the overseas bases would be included in that.

Put simply even if the membership and qantas had agreed to a clause that said that overseas bases must go first, the AIRC would not have certified the agreement as it fell foul of "prohibited content". This nasty piece of legislation was designed to assist employers to reduce costs.

As a result no union can have an agreement that says anything like the following.

Overseas bases must go first
Overseas bases are restricted to certain numbers
Overseas bases are prohibited
etc etc

If the union had even threatened (let alone taken) industrial action it could have been fined. Further even to request that something prohibited or not allowable during negotiations could have led the Company to report the matter and had the unions sanctioned and fined.

Now what the FAAA did in the face of that legislation is reached a non EBA side agreement with the company that stated that overseas crew were capped at 25% of total establishment, and that in the event of CR they would have to reduce numbers in overseas bases to keep that ratio.

i hope that this assists people to understand the complexity of the workchoices legislation and why the last EBA that provided 5 years of continuity of conditions is so good for us at the moment. The QCCA crew are actually a disincentive to have CR as the more productive and cost effective crew would be the first to go.

Hopefully if RUDD changes the laws sufficiently over time we may be able to regulate overseas bases in the EBA again
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Old 23rd Jun 2009, 06:35
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Your apology is accepted
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 02:45
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500 Managers??

What happened to the 500 managers that had to go? Every day I open my email, it seems another manager has been made / prmoted / moved to another office. Does anyone know what's going on?
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 05:13
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Ataloss, I have asked the same question. In engineering I see approx 5 managers gone, 2 made their intentions known well in advance, 1 has retired, 1 gone to bluer fields and 1 hanging around for a bit longer. In place quite a few more have been made up to managers or moved sideways with a different title with manager in it. I think we need to know how many managers have gone and how many ordinary workers have gone.
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Old 27th Jun 2009, 05:30
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.......apparently there are a stack leaving on June 30.

A mate in Flight Training says the place has been totally "gutted"-at least 12 Managers and assorted Flight /Ground instructors.

They are calling it....'back to the future !

As far as the cabin crew area goes-there have been quite a few punted.

The ratio is now 1 "manager" to approx 620 crew. Service desk is now called the SELF SERVICE DESK.

Anyway the more the better. God knows we don't want tp follow the same path as BA
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Old 17th Jul 2009, 04:59
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Knock Knock

It is wrong of me to be bewildered by the total lack of engagement Qantas management exercise. The media, as well as employees were told 1750 to go!!
While I welcome that know no one I know on the coal face has been asked to leave it is concerning that management has in fact added new positions (in QF Eng) while a handful of the PIA purveyors have found other employment. Shareholders are surely watching this stagnate Qantas management pondering and dithering. As usual they seem to wait for an external event to make their decisions for them.

It is over two years since the Melbourne engineers were given redundancies and six months less since Brisbane engineers were asked to EOI for redundancy. While about 15% went immdeiately no one has been given the basic employee respect and told offically the redundancies have been cancelled. We wait and wait and wait. Hung out to dry. We were taught about 'change' mentality. I am yet to see change in QF Engineering apart from the buggery campaign now in stealth mode. They treat there customers with the same contempt as ANZ found out.

Brisbane International is awaiting a new roster, they have been waiting since Nov 2007, they now expect to see a second Gateway bridge completed before management makes a decision. Add that to the Airport extension and it will be a record that should be around for a few years.

Jetstar at Coolangatta is another 'coal burner' project. For 9 months is has been run ad-hoc with Brisbane based engineers putting their lives at risk driving 260km a day to support the favourite son of QF since IASA could not pay the right dollars to attract someone. Will management make a decision on the long term answer, in your dreams? Someone will have a driving accident before they wake up to themseleves.

I have no faith in the QE managers appointed they appear to be puppets who can not or will not make a decisions that would allow enginnering to move on with transparency, openess and engagement. The last correspondence from Eng management was 31May. If no one is going.... then tell us, we have lives to plan as well. Perhaps they are actually our secret saviours and hoping the economy turns around before they make there final decision....yeh that's it OF COURSE!!

Where would this company be if not for the monopoly of the brand?
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Old 17th Jul 2009, 06:11
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Your Wife

Was she in management?
Black Panther has some legitimate concerns about his treatment by the company.
Their forward planning is crap.So they keep employees on a string while they dither.Very traumatic and very very poor people management
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