UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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I work at CTC - any idea at all what actually goes on there? 
How many breaks (responsibility free) do you get in a shift? Do you always work an entire shift? When was the last time you worked a 12+ hour day? Don't pre judge as you (obviously) have no idea! 
How many breaks (responsibility free) do you get in a shift? Do you always work an entire shift? When was the last time you worked a 12+ hour day? Don't pre judge as you (obviously) have no idea!
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Update from NATSnet. Mr James from HR, or whatever dept it is that he works for, says that he has no idea where the 9% rumour has come from...all PCG payrises/bonuses have been deferred until September 09....no doubt when we will have posted a healthy profit again. 
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How many breaks (responsibility free) do you get in a shift? Do you always work an entire shift? When was the last time you worked a 12+ hour day?
2.) Not always but then I'm sure you don't (POETS day anybody??)
3.) We're not able to due to the nature of our job
We can all get involved in Willy waving I'm afraid....
How many night shifts do you work in a year?
Could you (potentially) kill anybody if you make an error at work?
Don't pre-judge etc etc
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I concur with Lookatthesky. I would love to have responsibility free breaks, as I keep getting told I should. Yet somehow they are filled up with trainee debriefs, LCE work, MORs (nothing to do with me though!) and various other stuff that needs doing. If it doesn't get done in my breaks, then I'll just end up staying after work.
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Why not create a seperate thread for the constant CTC knocking and banding issues etc. This is supposed to be about pay?
P****ed off CTC worker (still at work) and saddened by the divisions and lack of solidarity amongst our staff in this organisation.
P****ed off CTC worker (still at work) and saddened by the divisions and lack of solidarity amongst our staff in this organisation.
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two posts ago, I can't remember who,but, whoever it was talking about mors and trainee debriefs. I think you are meant to include that as work time, then go for your rest break.
And to the P***** off ctc worker....you would probably be home earlier if you weren't on here!
And to the P***** off ctc worker....you would probably be home earlier if you weren't on here!
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I understand people do get p##sed off with ATCO's winging and not satisfied with their pay offer. However, my view (for what it is worth) is that some ATCO's would sell there own mother for the price of a mars bar! But for the normally ATCO like me, the reason i think we are slightly different regarding responsibilities is this;
When i plug and are banging the aircraft in 2.5nm apart and having lots of fun everyone is happy
If i am suddenly caught stroking my balls and HRH suddenly see some aluminum in her front garden! It would be me that is standing up in court awaiting my sentence for manslaughter etc etc.
So the point i am trying to make is we all have responsibilities and accountabilities within NATS but the guy delivering the goods is where the life and death decisions are made.
As usual i await the ar#e chewing
When i plug and are banging the aircraft in 2.5nm apart and having lots of fun everyone is happy
If i am suddenly caught stroking my balls and HRH suddenly see some aluminum in her front garden! It would be me that is standing up in court awaiting my sentence for manslaughter etc etc.
So the point i am trying to make is we all have responsibilities and accountabilities within NATS but the guy delivering the goods is where the life and death
decisions are made.As usual i await the ar#e chewing
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Agreed, we all have a part. You may need to understand that a lot of people work very hard to make sure that the kit you have to separate to 2.5Nm on approach is the best that we can give you 'with the money available to us'. So, we are continually working to ensure that your ar$e is NOT chewed! We know its difficult and you can kill people, really we do, we all know, honest we do 
I agree that ATCO's are on the front line but believe me, there is more than one front!
I agree that ATCO's are on the front line but believe me, there is more than one front!
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Yes the equipment is wonderful but the point is still the same 'its me that will end up in jail' if i make a mistake and yes that is what im paid all that money for!
I am not saying anybody does not play their part in the team just stating the worst case. If the radar fails we sort it out and keep the airplanes apart and the engineer will fix the problem and wont go to jail if 2 planes go boom!
Anyway point made enjoy the shi#tty 2 year deal
I am not saying anybody does not play their part in the team just stating the worst case. If the radar fails we sort it out and keep the airplanes apart and the engineer will fix the problem and wont go to jail if 2 planes go boom!
Anyway point made enjoy the shi#tty 2 year deal
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"When I plug in and are banging the aircraft in 2.5 nm apart and having lots of fun everyone is happy "
I thought that within the UK, the minimum vortex wake spacing requirement on final approach is 3 nautical miles.
"I thought that within the UK, the minimum vortex wake spacing requirement on final approach is 3 nautical miles.
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the engineer will fix the problem and wont go to jail if 2 planes go boom!
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2.5nm is approved with certain conditions, including headwind criteria.
CTC people, erm... are we allowed to use NATS internet access to post on boards such as this?
CTC people, erm... are we allowed to use NATS internet access to post on boards such as this?
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If the radar fails and 2 planes go boom, don't worry - you won't be alone in the courtroom!
Zooker - never assume, check.
back on thread though. Last august RPI 4.8%, this august RPI possibly -2.8%, end result cost of living theoretically 2% higher (almost). Payrise in this time, 2%... Not quite as bad a deal as it seems, and i do thank the union bods for that. However, I would still like to know what impact this has on pensionable pay, ie, if RPI this year is -2.8%, and we get 0%, does our pensionable pay take a hit of -2.3% ??
As I think i have posted before, i would much rather take a deal of RPI over the two years than whats on offer, even if it equates to the same thing, as it should make buying a house slightly easier later on this year.
(For the mathematically challenged, a payrise of 4.8% followed by a cut of 2.8% doesnt necessarily equate to a rise of 2%!)
100 * 1.048 = 104.8
104.8 / 1.028 = 101.946 or 104.8 * 0.972 = 101.87
And, as others have stated, only those with mortgage repayments will have had their cost of living matched anyway, the rest of us are still losing out by about 3%...
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Mr. Gunson said that the Atco would be the only person at the subsequent board of enquiry
Should a manslaughter case be brought, the reasonable man on the jury is hardly likely to ignore a faulty system in his considerations.
I accept, however, that only the ATCO will suffer the stress of the run-up to, and aftermath of, any disaster..
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ViaEGLL: Trust me when I say that you would not be alone. If you made a mistake then yes. IF the gear you use was perfect on the day, safety tools had been developed and introduced properly and fit for purpose etc. If not then you would have company!
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Last august RPI 4.8%, this august RPI possibly -2.8%, end result cost of living theoretically 2% higher (almost). Payrise in this time, 2%... Not quite as bad a deal as it seems, and i do thank the union bods for that
The current deal as it stands gives us a below RPI deal, without even considering the Aug 10 RPI, which will make the deal even worse. Next payrise will not be until Jan 2011
and before anybody starts... Yes AUG 2010 RPI should be the baseline for Jan 2011 pay negoitiations but these NATS crooks will most likely try to move the goalposts and seek a different more favourable (to them) inflationary indicator. That coupled with the poor baseline generated by the current proposal and we can all look forward to record NATS profits and $hit pay deals!
We are mad to even consider signing away 2 years of pay rises based on guesses on the future RPI. I would much rather we waited until AUG09 RPI and used definite figures than numbers plucked out of thin air (and believe me I know economists and they do a lot of educated guessing) as well as have the NATS accounts in our hands
VOTE NO
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Originally Posted by hold at SATAN
CTC people, erm... are we allowed to use NATS internet access to post on boards such as this?
The site is not blocked and as long as posting doesnt interfere with your job (or something like that) then its fine.
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Originally Posted by Yahoo
i think the fact that they're non-ops would make them more likely to be reading PPRuNe in between Starbucks breaks.