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Finally a valid point, it only took 3 pages. Yes single guys earn the same on the contract as married guys without kids, who also earn the same as married guys with kids. The package should be the same for all.
Just another quick point though. We all came here knowing the accomodation was appartment style accomodation, so why now is it a requirement when working out the cost of living to quote the cost of a villa?
Ok I don\'t know where you\'re from sandborne, but the exchange rate has been on the improve over the last 6 months, so from a bad position it is improving, and looks to continue to improve.
Can\'t find anything nice for 7,000 a month that you can fit your kids and furniture in. You\'re telling me that you can\'t find a nice big 3 bedroom apartment for 84,000 a year. PM me and I will give you a list a mile long.
The final point is valid. The flight allowance with SERCO is a joke and is seriously short of what it needs to be.
Just another quick point though. We all came here knowing the accomodation was appartment style accomodation, so why now is it a requirement when working out the cost of living to quote the cost of a villa?
Ok I don\'t know where you\'re from sandborne, but the exchange rate has been on the improve over the last 6 months, so from a bad position it is improving, and looks to continue to improve.
Can\'t find anything nice for 7,000 a month that you can fit your kids and furniture in. You\'re telling me that you can\'t find a nice big 3 bedroom apartment for 84,000 a year. PM me and I will give you a list a mile long.
The final point is valid. The flight allowance with SERCO is a joke and is seriously short of what it needs to be.
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One of the main gripes here is accomadation.
Someone posted earlier that they would have over 100k Canadian in the hand if they were earning this kind of money at home. Imagine what sort of accomadation that would provide. Three bed apartment, no, more like five bed house.
I think the gripe is not that it's a three bed apartment but that it is not comparable to other working professionals in UAE. We are in substandard accomadation. Think about what expats left when they moved here.
Also why do things have to stay the same? Everyone has said that there are shortages all over the world. So why shouldn't a company that is trying to fill a contract requirement do a little extra to fill the gap that they have created.
Someone posted earlier that they would have over 100k Canadian in the hand if they were earning this kind of money at home. Imagine what sort of accomadation that would provide. Three bed apartment, no, more like five bed house.
I think the gripe is not that it's a three bed apartment but that it is not comparable to other working professionals in UAE. We are in substandard accomadation. Think about what expats left when they moved here.
Also why do things have to stay the same? Everyone has said that there are shortages all over the world. So why shouldn't a company that is trying to fill a contract requirement do a little extra to fill the gap that they have created.
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Saying that you need to match what guys are leaving behind is not valid. Do you think controllers leaving their 5 bedroom homes in Australia, going to Hong Kong, moved into Houses when they arrived.
For the vast majority of professionals living in Abu Dhabi, apartment living is part of the deal. For 84,000 dh's a year you can get a really nice big apartment. It will also mean we are on a par with what Dubai get accomodation wise, which would be a much fairer situation than the current inequity.
For the vast majority of professionals living in Abu Dhabi, apartment living is part of the deal. For 84,000 dh's a year you can get a really nice big apartment. It will also mean we are on a par with what Dubai get accomodation wise, which would be a much fairer situation than the current inequity.
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I said earlier in one of my posts that Serco are unable to get people to come over here in any serious number. I believe that one of the main reasons for that is that this forum has opened peoples eyes a bit about what it is really like. Saying that Serco need to provide comparable accomadation is a perfectly valid point if they are trying to recruit from elsewhere and are having trouble doing so.
You said that we would get what the Dubai controllers get if we get 84000 a year. Sorry but that is not a valid argument for it either. No shortage in DXB huge shortage in AUH. Serco themselves will tell you that each contract is an individual deal and the details of them are made to satisfy the requirements of the contract. How long have DXB had it better than AUH?
I will say that I enjoy working here and living here, but that things should be improving not stagnating
You said that we would get what the Dubai controllers get if we get 84000 a year. Sorry but that is not a valid argument for it either. No shortage in DXB huge shortage in AUH. Serco themselves will tell you that each contract is an individual deal and the details of them are made to satisfy the requirements of the contract. How long have DXB had it better than AUH?
I will say that I enjoy working here and living here, but that things should be improving not stagnating
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At last, some decent postings.
ANSA and sandborne, quite right. The real issue is the expectation. When we first decided to come here we expected an apartment and subsequently got an apartment. It is only once we got here and saw what others were getting did we start complaining. We all agree that the accomodation needs addressing and quickly. The joke is that it wont take much to improve the current lot. I did not leave my palace at home to live in a palace here but I do expect a decent place. The reason most of us came out here for was the money. the lifestyle etc was an after thought.
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The truth is not something that is based on an opinion, it is based on fact. Your 'statements' and 'truths' are nothing more than your stated opinion, do we assume that YOUR opinion = truth??? No, if we are to give an outsider a perspective then we offer our opinions to which they can then base a judgement. Your facts and truths always seem to be the same rhetoric, offer an alternative opinion to his majesty ferris then you are management or blind to the 'FACTS'. Come on ferris, just cause we don't follow the union line does that mean we are fools? I do sleep well at night as I know what to expect and PLAN accordingly. Your posts lack credibility due to a lack of sincerity. If you really think that your actions, statements, truths or opinions would help the situation here then you are more than just naive.
Yak yak, huge chip on these shoulders. Just like ANSA, must be because I am enjoying the work, the life, the travel, the sun shine (ok it does get a bit much)
, cocktails on the beach. Phew, the list goes on, I am starting to get depressed just thinking about it. Maybe I can get a chip on the other shoulder and then I can be well balanced like you and ferris and burj (mate) and lets not forget rat. 
Happy International Day of the Controller to ALL of you.
ferris
The truth is not something that is based on an opinion, it is based on fact. Your 'statements' and 'truths' are nothing more than your stated opinion, do we assume that YOUR opinion = truth??? No, if we are to give an outsider a perspective then we offer our opinions to which they can then base a judgement. Your facts and truths always seem to be the same rhetoric, offer an alternative opinion to his majesty ferris then you are management or blind to the 'FACTS'. Come on ferris, just cause we don't follow the union line does that mean we are fools? I do sleep well at night as I know what to expect and PLAN accordingly. Your posts lack credibility due to a lack of sincerity. If you really think that your actions, statements, truths or opinions would help the situation here then you are more than just naive.
Yak yak, huge chip on these shoulders. Just like ANSA, must be because I am enjoying the work, the life, the travel, the sun shine (ok it does get a bit much)
, cocktails on the beach. Phew, the list goes on, I am starting to get depressed just thinking about it. Maybe I can get a chip on the other shoulder and then I can be well balanced like you and ferris and burj (mate) and lets not forget rat. Happy International Day of the Controller to ALL of you.
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The thing is before you move here you have basically got the contract manager's word that the accomadation is suitable. That living in AUH you don't need a car and therefore parking not an issue etc. You get here and then you see that some things aren't as good as they should be. Don't start me on the furniture (broken old worn out mattress that about ten other couples have coupled on ).
My point was supposed to be about the future. Serco are bidding for the contract renewal. They will be obliged to position around thirty controllers now and maybe more if we ever move to a new centre. For this they need controllers around the world to want to come here. For that they need to offer something worth coming here for. At the moment they don't.
My point was supposed to be about the future. Serco are bidding for the contract renewal. They will be obliged to position around thirty controllers now and maybe more if we ever move to a new centre. For this they need controllers around the world to want to come here. For that they need to offer something worth coming here for. At the moment they don't.
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Just finished reading this thread...and I'd like to thank you all for the eye-opener. I was considering moving to UAE, but this thread has made me realise that the grass only looks greener from a distance...
I think I'll stay on my side of the hill..allthough the grass is getting less green by the minute
I think I'll stay on my side of the hill..allthough the grass is getting less green by the minute
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I've tried to weed as much of the personal crap out of this thread as possible. For the last time then, puerile name calling, 'witty' twisting of user names and personal attacks, attempting to compromise the anonymity of users (unless they do so themselves or are in the public domain already), or other posts which try to play the player instead of the ball won't find a place here.
The alternative (an easy one for me), is just to delete the whole thread and throw a few people in the cooler. That would of course result in a lot of useful information and opinion (from both sides) being lost forever. It won't help those considering a move to this part of the world, it won't help those posters who play by the rules and put a bit of effort in to their opinions and arguments, and it won't help those who can't seem to resist going back to school playground tactics (actually .. the last group don't matter).
It is very much a case of the usual suspects. Some are in that category by posting inflammatory stuff which has no bearing on the topic at hand except to bait other users. Some are people who see red and reply in kind. And some are those who get sucked in to the maelstrom and are influenced to make similar kinds of posts.
The thread is in your hands guys, and it's hanging by a thin one at the moment. It is clearly an emotive subject to some, but that still doesn't mean you have to reply with personal attacks on anyone. Look at the other persons argument and counter with your own. For those who can't, please let me know that's your position. I can then restrict your access here to our mutual benefit. You won't be tempted to post anything which breaks the rules and I won't have to waste time editing your posts. Win-win
The alternative (an easy one for me), is just to delete the whole thread and throw a few people in the cooler. That would of course result in a lot of useful information and opinion (from both sides) being lost forever. It won't help those considering a move to this part of the world, it won't help those posters who play by the rules and put a bit of effort in to their opinions and arguments, and it won't help those who can't seem to resist going back to school playground tactics (actually .. the last group don't matter).
It is very much a case of the usual suspects. Some are in that category by posting inflammatory stuff which has no bearing on the topic at hand except to bait other users. Some are people who see red and reply in kind. And some are those who get sucked in to the maelstrom and are influenced to make similar kinds of posts.
The thread is in your hands guys, and it's hanging by a thin one at the moment. It is clearly an emotive subject to some, but that still doesn't mean you have to reply with personal attacks on anyone. Look at the other persons argument and counter with your own. For those who can't, please let me know that's your position. I can then restrict your access here to our mutual benefit. You won't be tempted to post anything which breaks the rules and I won't have to waste time editing your posts. Win-win
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I think Serco will always struggle to attract people to UAE ACC despite better pay deals,accomodation or whatever.In the past they have been lucky with a supply from the States,Scandanavia,South Africa.From a UK point of view there is almost no incentive for a UK Area Rated controller to upsticks as Nats pays Band 4 and 5 stations well in comparison with Serco.Not forgetting the pension as well.Even Band 2 airport pay is good,compared with AUH,DXB.
I met up with a friend who used to work at UAE ACC last visit to the sandpit.He had just come off doing 4 consecutive night shifts.The 2 standbys were Nights followed by his own night shifts,( maybe the other way round) but he was absolutely knackered.He was one of the guys that escaped and I don't blame him.This situation is highly illegal in the UK.No more than 2 night shifts allowed.
There just isn't the same supply of Controllers anymore.Sure there will always be a few that come across for their own reasons,but money won't be the main factor.After reading this thread there might be a few more with serious second thoughts.
I met up with a friend who used to work at UAE ACC last visit to the sandpit.He had just come off doing 4 consecutive night shifts.The 2 standbys were Nights followed by his own night shifts,( maybe the other way round) but he was absolutely knackered.He was one of the guys that escaped and I don't blame him.This situation is highly illegal in the UK.No more than 2 night shifts allowed.
There just isn't the same supply of Controllers anymore.Sure there will always be a few that come across for their own reasons,but money won't be the main factor.After reading this thread there might be a few more with serious second thoughts.
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Don't listen to all the bullsh!t from some negative UAE ACC ATCOs. Truth is, honestly, working conditions could be better whereever you work in the UAE. I believe whereever you work in the ATC world. Accommodation could be better, so could management, but overall, the lifestyle here is great, IF you can take the pros and cons. I'm sure it happens in every country. What do you have to lose? I would say try it! It can only get better anyway. Be positive, think positive and the result shall become positive....
PS. I'm NOT management if somebody is going to slaughter me
I was considering moving to UAE, but this thread has made me realise that the grass only looks greener from a distance...
PS. I'm NOT management if somebody is going to slaughter me
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As I said, I didn't think you would be intelligent enough to understand that 'truth' is subjective, but you only have to read some UAE "incident investigations" to see that I am not going to waste the time boring the readers educating you, so I'll leave it at that (for now).
Have a look at Tall-lion's post, and tell me again how what happens on this board and the information flow effected has no effect on what goes on in the UAE ACC. Tall-lion is a Eurocontroller who was seriously considering the move to the UAE. Information is power. Another lesson is being painfully learned!
If you think I am gloating, you are wrong. As others have intimated, if people go there EYES WIDE OPEN, surely that's better? And if they don't, because once armed with the FACTS, they choose not to, isn't that also good for the guys still there? It means "the management" has to improve things (whether that is the money, the roster, the accomm- whatever). Win-win.
What sort of advice is that? It's really crap, but it can only get better.
Lifestyle! Yeah, 7 days off per month affords you a fab lifestyle.
Where do I start....Your relationships? Your rights? Your ability to return to home country as your pension/superannuation fades away, property prices increase etc etc? Your sanity? The list is endless..... (bear in mind, these are opinions, not facts )
Amen to that. Read the thread. It's not hard to see where THAT comes from. ANSA is about the only poster putting forward anything other than fluffy, meaningless, 'lifestyle'-type positives.
The best advice is to read WHAT people post, not just interpretations of WHY they post it.
The truth is not something that is based on an opinion, it is based on fact
I am not going to waste the time boring the readers educating you, so I'll leave it at that (for now).Have a look at Tall-lion's post, and tell me again how what happens on this board and the information flow effected has no effect on what goes on in the UAE ACC. Tall-lion is a Eurocontroller who was seriously considering the move to the UAE. Information is power. Another lesson is being painfully learned!
If you think I am gloating, you are wrong. As others have intimated, if people go there EYES WIDE OPEN, surely that's better? And if they don't, because once armed with the FACTS, they choose not to, isn't that also good for the guys still there? It means "the management" has to improve things (whether that is the money, the roster, the accomm- whatever). Win-win.
What do you have to lose? I would say try it! It can only get better anyway
Lifestyle! Yeah, 7 days off per month affords you a fab lifestyle.
What do you have to lose?
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Don't listen to all the bullsh!t
The best advice is to read WHAT people post, not just interpretations of WHY they post it.
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Ferris...
Why should an outsider listen to what aprx. 10% of the UAE ACC ATCO's are thinking/feeling? What about the rest? They might not all be totally satisfied but they're making the best of it, unlike some of the guys in the UAE who wants everyone in the bad boat...
Ferris! tell us, where do you work and why are you there (still)? Why did you join Serco UAE once? Enlighten us
Amen to that. Read the thread. It's not hard to see where THAT comes from. ANSA is about the only poster putting forward anything other than fluffy, meaningless, 'lifestyle'-type positives.
Ferris! tell us, where do you work and why are you there (still)? Why did you join Serco UAE once? Enlighten us
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Don't agree with any of you.
I think it is perfectly legimate to complain if you don't like a situation. Yes management do read this forum. They also hear people like tall lion say that they are reconsidering the move here because of what is being said. Stick to your guns tall lion now is not the time to come here.
ANSA the only person not spouting lifestyle fluff. Huh? he is the only person on the thread that is saying Serco don't need to change things. Also lifestyle is not fluff, it is the reason we all work. It is the most important decision when choosing a career move.
I think it is perfectly legimate to complain if you don't like a situation. Yes management do read this forum. They also hear people like tall lion say that they are reconsidering the move here because of what is being said. Stick to your guns tall lion now is not the time to come here.
ANSA the only person not spouting lifestyle fluff. Huh? he is the only person on the thread that is saying Serco don't need to change things. Also lifestyle is not fluff, it is the reason we all work. It is the most important decision when choosing a career move.
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Firstly, play the ball not the man. You, by association, assume you have superior intelligence. That is YOUR opinion.
You are right, truth is subjective because it relies on the interpretation of 'facts'. The facts are there and the facts tell the truth, it's how we interpret the facts where the truth starts getting distorted. You are the master at distorting the facts. Who elected you to 'Voice of the People" in the first place? Union mentality is not the solution.
Again I agree with you about this board and the information flow. What I dont understand (and neither does ANSA) is your need to get up on a soap box and dish the dirt. We have all accepted, and posted, that there are problems here but is it necessary that you parade and shout to all and sundry??? You have left, what have you to gain? The guys that remain are still enjoying it here and those that don't will probably move on when the time is right, that is the nature of the game. Market forces (not spite) will sort out the contracts. If other units are paying more with better conditions, people will move thus you have a market force pulling. We will only know as to how strong GCAA/Serco are willing to pull in order to retain or encourage new people.
Ferris, you are posting out of spite and revenge to get back at certain people, not for the due concern of your colleagues. This is what outsiders need to understand.
Sandstorm inferno. right on
You have hit the button on the head, far more people enjoy it here than ferris eludes to. The only problem is that not all participate in this forum.
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Firstly, play the ball not the man. You, by association, assume you have superior intelligence. That is YOUR opinion.
You are right, truth is subjective because it relies on the interpretation of 'facts'. The facts are there and the facts tell the truth, it's how we interpret the facts where the truth starts getting distorted. You are the master at distorting the facts. Who elected you to 'Voice of the People" in the first place? Union mentality is not the solution.
Again I agree with you about this board and the information flow. What I dont understand (and neither does ANSA) is your need to get up on a soap box and dish the dirt. We have all accepted, and posted, that there are problems here but is it necessary that you parade and shout to all and sundry??? You have left, what have you to gain? The guys that remain are still enjoying it here and those that don't will probably move on when the time is right, that is the nature of the game. Market forces (not spite) will sort out the contracts. If other units are paying more with better conditions, people will move thus you have a market force pulling. We will only know as to how strong GCAA/Serco are willing to pull in order to retain or encourage new people.
Ferris, you are posting out of spite and revenge to get back at certain people, not for the due concern of your colleagues. This is what outsiders need to understand.
Sandstorm inferno. right on
You have hit the button on the head, far more people enjoy it here than ferris eludes to. The only problem is that not all participate in this forum.
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This is exactly why I have second thoughts... I'm not in such a bad possition after all, allthough things here are spiraling downwards... The Union is fighting hard to keep stuff on an acceptable level...
I still might visit in the first half of next year, and talk to more people...hopelfully I'll get a more balanced look on things.
Greetz,
TL
I still might visit in the first half of next year, and talk to more people...hopelfully I'll get a more balanced look on things.
Greetz,
TL
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Burj, you can write. Yes I am a 'coal face worker' but am getting more irritated by the wanton negative moaning that continues. I tend to keep my mouth shut at work. We are so busy working but we get an endless tirade of negativity of a few. Some shifts are an absolute pleasure to work with and others a complete drag, you get home exhausted, not from the work but from our colleagues. Then again, I do agree with the sentiment that is around, accomadation and money can improve. I am of the 'opinion' that it will improve, due to market forces not soap box operas. What I fail to understand is the continual whining (as if we all want to hear it) that goes on. Its been said before, we come here out of choice and we leave here out of choice, the last thing we came here for is loyalty. Instead of bemoaning our predicament I am ensuring that I am in a position that if I make the decision to go it is on my terms. I will not have to rely on being chucked out and doing the running thing. I do not think (my opinion) that things are not as bad as you make out and instead of encouraging people to stay away I want to encourage people to come here so things can return to what it was. What people also need to keep in mind is that whenever a contract comes up for negotiation these threads pop up, 3 years ago for this contract, the last airport negotiation and now this again. All quiet inbetween, that must also say something?????????
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Do not change and come to the ME if it is greener grass you are looking for, rather come over for different grass. Do yourself a favour and visit the place and form your OWN opinion. We could all go on and on with our own version of events, all you will get is the PRO's - who paint a pretty picture with a few problems and the cons - who paint a dismal picture. Do yourself the favour and visit, meet ALL the guys here, meet with managment, hell, even meet the bus driver, but only you can find the TRUTH.
Cat out
Tall Lion
Do not change and come to the ME if it is greener grass you are looking for, rather come over for different grass. Do yourself a favour and visit the place and form your OWN opinion. We could all go on and on with our own version of events, all you will get is the PRO's - who paint a pretty picture with a few problems and the cons - who paint a dismal picture. Do yourself the favour and visit, meet ALL the guys here, meet with managment, hell, even meet the bus driver, but only you can find the TRUTH.
Cat out
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What drivel is this that you are sprouting forth?? You yourself haven't really held back on anything, especially regarding Verexigonnagoix (or what ever his name is) and what repercussions did you suffer for that?? Was there a witch hunt?Were there any memo's send out? Any threats made against Pprune users by management???
When you throw out statements like that, please clarify and back up your anecdotes. Do you know something that we don't know??
Has something happened to someone in the past and did they disappear???
Nurse! Nurse! Pass the elephant gun, the bloody Russians are coming ...
It's true that not all uae atcos participate in this forum , mostly because of fear , fear of being found out and incurring the wrath of management.
When you throw out statements like that, please clarify and back up your anecdotes. Do you know something that we don't know??
Has something happened to someone in the past and did they disappear???Nurse! Nurse! Pass the elephant gun, the bloody Russians are coming ...
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Throw a dyce
They do indeed take passports away for 'inspection'. I am not sure of their motivation- can only speculate
Cat
Really?
I'd be interested to find out exactly what "union mentality" is. And what is it not the solution to? Is that an admission that there are things that require solutions? That won't do your recruitment drive any good!
I didn't start the thread. In fact, I don't think I've ever started a thread in relation to this topic. I merely respond when I see the blatant "advertising" that goes on here, and attempt to add some balance.
It saddens me when you get ideas that I am motivated out of spite. Ask Tall-lion; at the very start of our correspondence I informed him of my position, and offered to put him in touch with people who might have more positive things to say. Believe me, if you want spiteful posts, I'll provide them. In fact, thanks for the idea. I'll start a separate thread, just so you will get the idea about spite.
Now, this sort of comment troubles me. What motivation can anyone have to stifle the airing of the "dirt"? If you want to be a 'positive little worker', don't read it!! Things will only get better for you if prospectives turn tail. If you have other motivations- a manager, or a serco drone, or a self-delusional type, then that would explain it. I'll leave it to readers to decide "what motivation could there be for wanting to stifle negative info about AUH ACC?" hmmmmm....
Now THAT is a distortion of facts. Who "relies" on being chucked out? Or doing a runner? Believe what you want.
Gotta go formulate some spite!
edit after seeing cheery's post.
You do realise you keep giving yourself away, don't you cherrybum/verci?
Readers should be made aware that the CATCO at the UAE ACC frequently quizzed staff about who was who on pprune, whilst pretending not to care about what is written here. He would go to lengths such as; checking personnel files to find work histories (to cross-check against info in posts), check work sign-on times against post times, send PMs posing as an outsider looking for info etc. He was kept at bay using a stream of disinformation, and as he isn't as bright as he likes to think he is, this worked for a long time. As this campaign was successful, one can only speculate what would've happened had it not been. Certainly, he 'marked cards' over it.
They do indeed take passports away for 'inspection'. I am not sure of their motivation- can only speculate
Cat
You are the master at distorting the facts
Union mentality is not the solution.
What I dont understand (and neither does ANSA) is your need to get up on a soap box and dish the dirt.
It saddens me when you get ideas that I am motivated out of spite. Ask Tall-lion; at the very start of our correspondence I informed him of my position, and offered to put him in touch with people who might have more positive things to say. Believe me, if you want spiteful posts, I'll provide them. In fact, thanks for the idea. I'll start a separate thread, just so you will get the idea about spite.
but is it necessary that you parade and shout to all and sundry
I am ensuring that I am in a position that if I make the decision to go it is on my terms. I will not have to rely on being chucked out
Gotta go formulate some spite!
edit after seeing cheery's post.
You do realise you keep giving yourself away, don't you cherrybum/verci?
Was there a witch hunt?
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Here's a little advice for all of you who have read this thread and are considering coming to the Gulf from a long-timer.
Consider well that you'll be walking into almost exactly the same kind of centre you are working at right now, albeit with different overlays of culture, language, expectations, etc. Once you get your head around those differences, it's not too hard to live, work and enjoy life here.
The factor I'd most like to imprint on your minds is the need to be in a position to walk whenever things aren't going your way. You must be able to "go home' or have a second, or third option before coming here. Psychologically, it makes a huge difference and much of the hard-time moaning comes from those who've burnt their bridges long ago and have nowhere else to go.
Having said that, the kernel of truth about life here lies in almost all the postings you'll read here, regardless of the side you choose to join.
Don't just follow the money trail; there are other good reasons why you may want to come here. Whatever happens, enjoy the process and walk if and when you have to without rancour.
Good luck to you.
Consider well that you'll be walking into almost exactly the same kind of centre you are working at right now, albeit with different overlays of culture, language, expectations, etc. Once you get your head around those differences, it's not too hard to live, work and enjoy life here.
The factor I'd most like to imprint on your minds is the need to be in a position to walk whenever things aren't going your way. You must be able to "go home' or have a second, or third option before coming here. Psychologically, it makes a huge difference and much of the hard-time moaning comes from those who've burnt their bridges long ago and have nowhere else to go.
Having said that, the kernel of truth about life here lies in almost all the postings you'll read here, regardless of the side you choose to join.
Don't just follow the money trail; there are other good reasons why you may want to come here. Whatever happens, enjoy the process and walk if and when you have to without rancour.
Good luck to you.