Edinburgh-4

[GeorgeNTravels]

Ladies this is the Edinburgh thread, there's a Glasgow thread to rejoice in Scotland's only Dubai Service, and a Southampton thread to discuss the woes of the airport with 1/17th of Edinburgh Pax numbers.

This thread is for discussion on Edinburgh, where we can rejoice in

Scotland's only direct services to Istanbul, Doha, Athens, Zurich, Geneva, Madrid, Calgary, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, Vienna etc etc

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Aberdeen and Glasgow have Geneva flights, other than that it’s a fair point

[willy wombat]

Fair point but I do think the EDI lobby need to a accept that the current EDI passenger experience can be pretty dire and that regular pax ( like me) can get a bit fed up with the clamouring for ever more routes when the airport clearly can’t cope properly with those it already has.

[Mrlightgrey]

Ladies this is the Edinburgh thread, there's a Glasgow thread to rejoice in Scotland's only Dubai Service, and a Southampton thread to discuss the woes of the airport with 1/17th of Edinburgh Pax numbers.

This thread is for discussion on Edinburgh, where we can rejoice in

Scotland's only direct services to Istanbul, Doha, Athens, Zurich, Brussels (BRU), Madrid, Calgary, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, Boston, JFK, Vienna, Sofia, Bucharest, Stockholm, Riga, Budapest, Marseille, Gothenburg...

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What is the point your trying to make? We've got all these routes but our infrastructure can't cope!
also Marseille is served from Prestwick so maybe research before making claims

[nivsy]

There is, I believe plenty of airports in Europe and further afield that have the same terminal capacity and runway/stand issues as at EDI. I do chuckle at reports desperate enough to quote Jet2 and TUI increases ex Glasgow. Who cares really they are bucket and spade ops. EDI is head over heals better than GLA (and I am originally from Glasgow and fondly remember GLA in the mid nineties being a great airport) . The two are of course are far to close to each other and the central belt has missed the opportunity of having an airport suitable for both. It would be an airport for Scotland serving Scotland. Alas, as usual, we just have the typical Scottish bickering. 🫣

[FL 400]

The runway has been losed just now according to ground freq

[QEC]

The runway has been losed just now according to ground freq

Runway repairs again apparently.

[jensdad]

I do chuckle at reports desperate enough to quote Jet2 and TUI increases ex Glasgow. Who cares really they are bucket and spade ops.
The millions of hard working folks who like bucket and spade hols, and who keep half the people on this forum in gainful employment, certainly do!

[GrahamK]

Gettint embarassing now. Presumably GIP will be compensating the airlines?

[nighthawk117]

Regarding pre-clearance - I just read a comment elsewhere that apparently the US look for 400k passengers per year before considering an airport. No report of that being seasonal.

Edinburgh easily qualifies.

[laviation]

Bringing the point again. Apart from Orlando, USPC won't be a gamechanger for EDI at all!

[SWBKCB]

The millions of hard working folks who like bucket and spade hols, and who keep half the people on this forum in gainful employment, certainly do!

These comments say it all really, needs to be a bit more balance

I do chuckle at reports desperate enough to quote Jet2 and TUI increases ex Glasgow. Who cares really they are bucket and spade ops. EDI is head over heals better than GLA

Alas, as usual, we just have the typical Scottish bickering. 🫣

[Breathe]

Indeed. The airport fanboism posts are extremely cringing to read.

[highwideandugly]

So when the airport has to close for…1 maybe 2 weeks while a complete resurfacing of the runway occurs..which it will..what happens to all the traffic….asking for a friend😀 ?

[habs_fan]

So when the airport has to close for…1 maybe 2 weeks while a complete resurfacing of the runway occurs..which it will..what happens to all the traffic….asking for a friend😀 ?

mostly likely will be nightly runway closures from 00:30-06:00

[QEC]

So when the airport has to close for…1 maybe 2 weeks while a complete resurfacing of the runway occurs..which it will..what happens to all the traffic….asking for a friend😀 ?

Was the reason they (was it still BAA?) allegedly wouldn't allow the EARL to proceed was due actual underlying (literally) runway issues with uncharted mineworkings beneath the runways?

[NotanAVGeek]

It’s becoming a shambles now, I think 12 flights diverted today, a few yesterday also. 4 Jet2 diverted, that’s over 50% of their based aircraft.

Safety comes first, and always should. But the reputation and integrity of the Airport is getting damaged almost on a daily basis.

Qatar and Air Canada almost had to hold for an hour this morning on stands.

Any idea how long it would take for a full runway resurface? I’m sure I heard it’s due by 2025 latest.

[QEC]

It’s becoming a shambles now, I think 12 flights diverted today, a few yesterday also. 4 Jet2 diverted, that’s over 50% of their based aircraft.

Safety comes first, and always should. But the reputation and integrity of the Airport is getting damaged almost on a daily basis.

Qatar and Air Canada almost had to hold for an hour this morning on stands.

Any idea how long it would take for a full runway resurface? I’m sure I heard it’s due by 2025 latest.

Lots of missed connections I'd Imagine and the obvious knock on effects.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

There is, I believe plenty of airports in Europe and further afield that have the same terminal capacity and runway/stand issues as at EDI. I do chuckle at reports desperate enough to quote Jet2 and TUI increases ex Glasgow. Who cares really they are bucket and spade ops. EDI is head over heals better than GLA (and I am originally from Glasgow and fondly remember GLA in the mid nineties being a great airport) . The two are of course are far to close to each other and the central belt has missed the opportunity of having an airport suitable for both. It would be an airport for Scotland serving Scotland. Alas, as usual, we just have the typical Scottish bickering. 🫣
I usually enjoy your posts but this has got me scrathing my head somewhat. If you fondly remember GLA in the mid 90s you weren't flying out of it. They were forced to handle heavies on a pier built for One Elevens (does this sound familiar at all?). Trying to board three wide bodies from what is now the easyJet gates was a nightmare! Check in was building site and there were canvas tunnels taking you through parts of the old/new terminal. OK there was some good traffic but GLA 1990-1996 was woefully unprepared for what it was handling. That was remedied by spending a lot of money on what was a very nice, fit for 21st century pier with 7 air bridges and capable of ultimately taking the A380. There is no such equivalent plan for EDI to make the equivalent leap in passenger experieince. It's got some decent traffic but customer experience is going to be similar to this summer for the forseeable future unless they really want to spend some serious money. GLA had it easier with the backing of an airport group with the ability to spend money strategically (BAA) and political clout supporting growth in aviation. EDI has neither alas. My best analogy is LHR T1, building add ons until the original idea vanishes beneath ugly new build parts and then ram a pint into a half pint pot every day for years.

....NOT a criticism of either airport BTW!

[tartan 201]

Any idea how long it would take for a full runway resurface? I’m sure I heard it’s due by 2025 latest.

Completion scheduled for January 2026 (source (https://pnl1-word-view.officeapps.live.com/wv/mWord.aspx?ui=en%2DGB&rs=en%2DGB&WOPISrc=http%3A%2F%2Fpnl1%2Dview%2Dwopi%2Ewopi%2Eonline%2Eof fice%2Enet%3A808%2Foh%2Fwopi%2Ffiles%2F%40%2FwFileId%3FwFile Id%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fassets%252Ectfassets%252Enet%253A44 3%252F2hwzhse7szu0%252F1JKMSdNk4Kev4GyU55edA6%252Fb9c71635bd c99e388f45eef8c2348a94%252F2023%255FQ2%255FEACC%255Freport%2 52Edocx&access_token_ttl=0&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK&hid=f69767fa-de00-4de8-8cd9-8b32ca6647db&access_token=1&wdMobileHost=2) Table 2.1)

[tictack67]

What is the point your trying to make? We've got all these routes but our infrastructure can't cope!
also Marseille is served from Prestwick so maybe research before making claims

The original poster accepted my point which is all I care about, as do I about your point about Marseille.

Maybe read the whole thread before coming on and missing said point, especially if you are *new*, a rejoiner, or a new multi-personality poster to pprune

[Planeraz]

BA W23

BA have further revised W23 schedules. EDI sees another increase which I believe takes them above 2019 pre covid levels. Glasgow also sees an increase. Aberdeen takes a hit downwards.

Big caveat with BA. They continue to cancel flights regularly. What they plan to operate and what actually operates is another matter.



https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230918-banw23lhreu

[4eyed anorak]

July C.A.A. statistics are now available.

Regards 4ea

[Planeraz]

July C.A.A. statistics are now available.

Regards 4ea

I will try and do some approx LF’s.

Noticeable quick glance for certain routes.

QR - Doha Just under 31,000. Considerably more than predicted.
UA - Newark Just under 18,000
Big increase in pax number for Finnair. Atlanta and Boston also performed very strongly for Delta. Westjet and Air Canada also did well.

[Planeraz]

July 2023

Total pax - 1,528,829
This total exceeds July 2019 total of 1,506,580. EDI now back to operating and surpassing pre pandemic numbers.

Some approx LF’s on selected routes. United had some cancellations from EWR and IAD in July. Air Canada also had two cancellations.
Delta - ATL pax number exceeds published capacity by aircraft type. I assume some numbers were added from previous month.
Air Canada pax numbers compared to July 2022 down slightly. The Westjet factor/competition being the most likely reason.
Hainan operating at around 75%. Given the short lead in time for the service resuming, will they be happy?

QR - Doha 30,838 or 99%
TK - Istanbul 10,921 or 97%
WS - Calgary 8,242 or 96%
AC - Toronto 14,576 or 94%
DL - Atlanta 13,330 or 99%
DL - Boston 12,345 or 96%
DL - JFK 12,382 or 96%
VS - Orlando 5,953 or 90%
HU - Beijing 3,105 or 75%
UA - Newark 17,991 or 91%
UA - Chicago 10,333 or 96%
UA - Washington 10,743 or 97%

[SWBKCB]

Is it just me, or is the format of CAA airport stats CSV files cocked up again?

[CabinCrewe]

Perhaps, as slightly different loads posted ‘elsewhere’
Good to have things high summer fattened up for the big sell off about to be formally launched in November. Will be a good return for GIP.
Who’ll have the money to go for it and will they have anything left over to invest/expand.
Lets hope the Scottish Government don’t get any ideas..

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

AGS would be a good fit, who's with me? 😊

[CabinCrewe]

AGS would be a good fit, who's with me? 😊
Joking aside, they couldn’t even muster anything credible for the empty dinosaur that is PIK never mind investing in crumbling runways and hugely seasonal peak overcrowding if EDI.
Will be some sort of investment conglomeration which will further plump and then sell on.

[inOban]

If anyone wants to buy a UK airport it's likely to be Birmingham because the City is going to have to sell their share.

[SWBKCB]

The city council own 18.68% of Birmingham airport

[tartan 201]

July 2023

Total pax - 1,528,829
This total exceeds July 2019 total of 1,506,580. EDI now back to operating and surpassing pre pandemic numbers.



Yep, makes it the busiest month ever at EDI I think as July 2019 had been the busiest month. July 2023 passengers as a % of July 2019 passengers below for airports >20,000 monthly passengers which have reported data at the time of writing.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1389/picture1_093349cd790f071bff5dd96b4f3e08445c7ab446.png
Moving Annual Total (MAT) now at 13,378,688 passengers which is 91% of the previous high of 14,768,010 recorded in September 2019. International passengers were 1,147,793 up 29% on July 2022 and up 11% on July 2019. Domestic passengers were 381,036 up 36% on July 2022 and down 20% on July 2019.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1053/picture2_b918ee30bd03d4737e9385ac752b7b2157b32084.png

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1220/picture3_ade23638f5b765a5ee68c97b8d550fbdec0416cd.png

Top 10 route increases and decreases.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1220/picture4_3c46a020546a3fc5b74202f2e7217b5d41b4f930.png

Worth noting that, for all the talk of a bubble, EDI/GLA<>USA numbers still around 24% (92,000) down YTD on 2018's high point.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1075/picture5_f9090060a042fbe92330c897c2223eee629bcb1c.png

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

2018 Summer vs. 2023 Summer

AA 278 07:10 JFK EDI 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
AC 1904 06:35 YYZ EDI 2018S 1 3 5 6
D8 1601 08:55 SWF EDI 2018S 1 2 4 6
D8 1605 09:05 PVD EDI 2018S 3 5 7
DL 409 09:55 JFK EDI 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
UA 36 07:45 EWR EDI 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
UA 118 07:50 ORD EDI 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
UA 146 10:25 IAD EDI 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
AA 24 07:05 PHL GLA 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
AC 1938 06:35 YYZ GLA 2018S 2 4 7
DL 466 11:15 JFK GLA 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
TS 182 08:50 YYZ GLA 2018S 5
TS 244 11:15 YYZ GLA 2018S 3
TS 296 10:00 YVR GLA 2018S 2
TS 324 09:45 YYZ GLA 2018S 4
TS 525 08:30 YYZ GLA 2018S 6
TS 724 09:15 YYZ GLA 2018S 1
UA 161 07:30 EWR GLA 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
VS 72 08:20 MCO GLA 2018S 1 5 6 7
WS 30 08:15 YYZ YHZ GLA 2018S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Weekly Flights : EDI = 46 GLA = 41

AC 806 06:35 YYZ EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
DL 34 11:30 ATL EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
DL 122 08:35 BOS EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
DL 208 10:05 JFK EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
UA 36 08:05 EWR EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
UA 118 08:25 ORD EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
UA 161 11:40 EWR EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
UA 978 10:35 IAD EDI 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
VS 226 11:30 MCO EDI 2023S 3 6
WS 60 10:55 YYC EDI 2023S 1 4 6
TS 244 06:50 YYZ GLA 2023S 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

EDI = 61 GLA = 7 Weekly Flights :

[GoEDI]

July 2023

Total pax - 1,528,829
This total exceeds July 2019 total of 1,506,580. EDI now back to operating and surpassing pre pandemic numbers.

Some approx LF’s on selected routes. United had some cancellations from EWR and IAD in July. Air Canada also had two cancellations.
Delta - ATL pax number exceeds published capacity by aircraft type. I assume some numbers were added from previous month.
Air Canada pax numbers compared to July 2022 down slightly. The Westjet factor/competition being the most likely reason.
Hainan operating at around 75%. Given the short lead in time for the service resuming, will they be happy?

QR - Doha 30,838 or 99%
TK - Istanbul 10,921 or 97%
WS - Calgary 8,242 or 96%
AC - Toronto 14,576 or 94%
DL - Atlanta 13,330 or 99%
DL - Boston 12,345 or 96%
DL - JFK 12,382 or 96%
VS - Orlando 5,953 or 90%
HU - Beijing 3,105 or 75%
UA - Newark 17,991 or 91%
UA - Chicago 10,333 or 96%
UA - Washington 10,743 or 97%

How are you calculating PEK? I make it to be down at a rather disappointing 57% based on 18 sectors using 303 seat config A333.

I think, looking at the tail numbers used, DL are operating 2x class 226 seat B763s, I'm guessing you're using the 3x class capacity? This would make the LF for ATL 95%. Also puts both BOS and JFK at 88%.

I wouldn't say AC figures in isolation are likely to be down on last year with a LF like that and no direct competition this year. YYZ is only down overall because Westjet are no longer operating the route.

[inOban]

Apologies if I've missed something, but what's happened to the Atlanta flights? Seem to have disappeared.

[ld0595]

Apologies if I've missed something, but what's happened to the Atlanta flights? Seem to have disappeared.

I've had a look at old articles which suggested the route was only continuing to September 4. I'm surprised it finished that early.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Following note is included in the capacity declaration for S24.

"Terminal capacity is restricted in April, May and October due to project works to upgrade our security hall with the latest C3 technology as per CAA regulations."

[Asturias56]

I've had a look at old articles which suggested the route was only continuing to September 4. I'm surprised it finished that early.

Americans go back to school/college about then

[Planeraz]

Iberia S24

Edinburgh - Madrid increasing from 2 to 3 x weekly in summer 24. Flights on sale now.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Jet2 summer 2025 on sale.

Burgas returns 2x week (Mon and Thu) although it drops down to 1x week during English school holidays

Catania launching 1x week (wed)

[Flap40]

Jet2 summer 2025 on sale.

Burgas returns 2x week (Mon and Thu) although it drops down to 1x week during English school holidays

Catania launching 1x week (wed)

just looked at TFS for September 2025 and the seat plan has 40 rows. Airbus?

[Planeraz]

just looked at TFS for September 2025 and the seat plan has 40 rows. Airbus?

2 x 321N expected to be based at EDI.

[irishlad06]

2 x 321N expected to be based at EDI.

3 x A321n for s25

[CabinCrewe]

3 x A321n for s25
Id expect most bases will have some by 2025

[irishlad06]

Id expect most bases will have some by 2025

at the minute only plan for s25 is MAN / BHX and EDI

[Planeraz]

Wizz Air

Wizz Have decided to stop all operations from EDI. Allegedly a disagreement over landing fees according to some reports. They’ve “re-located” some routes to Glasgow. I wonder how long before they do the same to Glasgow as they do to many airports and use them for a period. Look at Cardiff as a good example. No massive loss to EDI. Will free up slots for other carriers and new routes perhaps….

[GeorgeNTravels]

Wizz Air

Wizz Have decided to stop all operations from EDI. A disagreement over landing fees according to some reports. They’ve “re-located” some routes to Glasgow. I wonder how long before they do the same to Glasgow as they do to many airports and use them for a period. Look at Cardiff as a good example. No massive loss to EDI. Will free up slots for other carriers and new routes perhaps….

If I'm right in saying within the last 10 years they've moved from PIK to GLA to EDI and back to GLA. No wonder people don't trust them

[OntimeexceptACARS]

The key thing for any further growth at EDI is the £ vs US dollar exchange rate. Should the pound strengthen, and to be honest, can it get much weaker, then further growth will be limited. The airport desperately needs a half decent terminal, built from scratch. And that's at least 10 years away, even if planning starts now. I suspect Wizz won't be the last to throw the towel in, given the huge issues with waits on taxiways and the like.

[Asturias56]

A major driver is not just the exchange rate but the state of the US Economy

But yes, a new terminal should be high on anyone's list - it's been cut 'n paste for far too long

[inOban]

If you look at #1781 above, you will see that traffic to Eastern Europe is declining.

[tictack67]

If I'm right in saying within the last 10 years they've moved from PIK to GLA to EDI and back to GLA. No wonder people don't trust them

I believe they started Aberdeen first on a couple of routes. I believe the schedules were a late STD quite late on in the evening.

[pabely]

I believe they started Aberdeen first on a couple of routes usually very late departures in the evening.
Yet tonights arrivals were max +11 minutes late but look at the departures times. So the issue is the airport or handlings agent. Cannot run a business with poor services, time to try something else or move on.

[Planeraz]

Qatar

QR continuing to do well to/from EDI. All flights tomorrow sold out. A 773 scheduled to operate the first service of the day.

[GoEDI]

The AM EDI-DOH was cancelled today, so presume this is the reason for this sub. B788 still on the ground here, guessing it's tech.

[Planeraz]

The AM EDI-DOH was cancelled today, so presume this is the reason for this sub. B788 still on the ground here, guessing it's tech.

Thanks for that. Still good to see both inbounds tomorrow sold out. Some weird info recorded on flight radar re the aircraft operating the cancelled QR.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a4o-di

[Sk1schoolsam]

According to a Aeroroutes


Doha – Edinburgh
eff 29OCT23 14 weekly service maintained, 787-8 operating (Previous: 787-8/-9)
eff 01DEC23 A350-900XWB operating, instead of A350-900XWB/787-9

Good to see the A350 back but means a slight drop in capacity compared to the original plan with the dropping of the 789 but still an overall daily increase from 1st December.

[Planeraz]

According to a Aeroroutes


Doha – Edinburgh
eff 29OCT23 14 weekly service maintained, 787-8 operating (Previous: 787-8/-9)
eff 01DEC23 A350-900XWB operating, instead of A350-900XWB/787-9

Good to see the A350 back but means a slight drop in capacity compared to the original plan with the dropping of the 789 but still an overall daily increase from 1st December.

It is good news. Given that QR is currently transporting 30k+ pax per month on the route (acknowledging that this total may dip a little off season), surely other ME carriers, aircraft availablity allowing and crew etc, before long will want a slice of this pie? TK also doing very well to/from EDI with transfer pax from the Indian sub continent and Pakistan bolstering their pax numbers. We all know who the other ME carriers are but is it just a case of when rather than if?

[inOban]

Just curious. The final Beijing flight leaves today but I didn't see the inbound on FlightRadar last night. Did it fly in empty?

[Planeraz]

Just curious. The final Beijing flight leaves today but I didn't see the inbound on FlightRadar last night. Did it fly in empty?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/hu407

[QEC]

It is good news. Given that QR is currently transporting 30k+ pax per month on the route (acknowledging that this total may dip a little off season), surely other ME carriers, aircraft availablity allowing and crew etc, before long will want a slice of this pie? TK also doing very well to/from EDI with transfer pax from the Indian sub continent and Pakistan bolstering their pax numbers. We all know who the other ME carriers are but is it just a case of when rather than if?

Etihad and Emirates? They both withdrew? And a Turkish Glasgow flight would dilute pax numbers on the Edinburgh flight possibly?

[Planeraz]

Etihad and Emirates? They both withdrew? And a Turkish Glasgow flight would dilute pax numbers on the Edinburgh flight possibly?

Yes, Etihad and Emirates eventually withdrew. Emirates took the place of Etihad. It all happened in a very choreographed way. Emirates cancelled the EDI service due to the pandemic, officially. Other factors no doubt impacted. They had, I think it would be fair to say a mixed bag of result in terms of LF’s and pax numbers. Did very well at certain times, ie, high summer season, Easter and Xmas/NY. EK have retained slots to date but obviously haven’t resumed. TK - Glasgow is a maybe for sometime in the future. I don’t think it will impact EDI’s market share hugely. I suspect TK see Glasgow as an opportunity to tap into EK’s dominance.

[Planeraz]

United

321XLR or 787 or both. I wonder if the news re a large 787 order means we can expect to see these aircraft serving EDI in the not too distant future?

https://ukaviation.news/united-airlines-orders-50-boeing-787-airliners/

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Likely both given the seasonality of the service, A321 might allow increased frequency into winter.

[Planeraz]

United S24

United stating to release bits and pieces of info. ORD S24 starting one day earlier than planned! Could their be something new for S24?



https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/231009-uans24eu

[laviation]

I struggle to see where they'd add though?
I think most United expansion in S24 will be across the Pacific, and then a couple of 757 routes across the Atlantic
Certainly won't see as many new European routes as 2023 or 2022, imho

[GeorgeNTravels]

Frequencies based on week commencing 8 JUL 24. Some routes currently set to commence in June have flights loaded for the last week in March. Due to terminal capacity restrictions in APRIL and MAY that is the likely reason for some reductions and cuts in those months. ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

ALC - 7 weekly
BCN - 10 weekly
BRI - 2 weekly (currently set to commence in JUNE)
BFS - 13 weekly
BER - 8 weekly
BZR - 2 weekly (currently set to commence in JUNE)
BLL - NOT CURRENTLY LOADED
BLQ - 3 weekly (currently set to commence in JUNE)
BOD - 4 weekly (currently set to commence in JUNE)
BOH - 4 weekly
BTS - 2 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
CRL - 9 weekly
OTP - 4 weekly (currently set to commence in JUNE)
BUD - 7 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
CCF - NOT CURRENTLY LOADED
CPH - 9 weekly (not currently loaded in APRIL and MAY)
CFU - 1 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
ORK - 10 weekly
DUB - 32 weekly
NRN - 7 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
EIN - 2 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
FAO - 8 weekly
FUE - 2 weekly
GDN - 5 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
LPA - 3 weekly
GOT - 2 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
HAM - 5 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
IBZ - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
KUN - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
NOC - 3 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
KRK - 7 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
ACE - 4 weekly
LIS - 3 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
STN - 17 weekly
MAD - 5 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
AGP - 6 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
MLA - 3 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
RAK - 2 weekly
MRS - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
BGY - 7 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
NTE - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
NAP - 3 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
NQY - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
FNI - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
PMO - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
PMI - 8 weekly
BVA - 5 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
PSA - 4 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
PIS - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
OPO - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
POZ - 3 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
PRG - 5 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
RHO - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
RIX - 4 weekly (currently loaded as 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
CIA - 7 weekly
SDR - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
SCQ - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
SVQ - 3 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
SNN - 3 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
SOF - 3 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
TFS - 6 weekly
TIA - 3 weekly
TLS - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
TRN - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
VLC - 2 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
VCE - 3 weekly (currently loaded as 1 weekly in APRIL and MAY)
VIE - 3 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
WMI - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED (they hold slots for EDI-WAW this winter so may transfer)
WRO - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
ZAD - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)

[tartan 201]

Frequencies based on week commencing 8 JUL 24. Some routes currently set to commence in June have flights loaded for the last week in March. Due to terminal capacity restrictions in APRIL and MAY that is the likely reason for some reductions and cuts in those months. ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE


I don't think that terminal capacity restrictions is the likely reason why some RYR flights aren't loaded in April and May. This (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/637105-belfast-international-3-a-12.html#post11518059) post notes a similar pattern for RYR's flights at BFS and this (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/637312-bournemouth-5-a-24.html?ispreloading=1#post11518829) one a similar pattern for their flights at BOH. Furthermore, some of those routes listed as not operating in April and May (when security capacity will be restricted) are shown as operating in October (when capacity will again be restricted). I suspect the non-availability of certain flights in April and May is therefore more likely to be a (presumably) temporary feature of RYR's system rather than some EDI-specific capacity issue.

[Planeraz]

US Pre-clearance

A couple of sources at EDI have suggested that the airport has been informed of the decision re the application. Now the waiting game as to when they will officially announce if the airport has been selected.

[Planeraz]

August 23 Pax Numbers

Aug 23 - 1,480,878 (up 24% on Aug 22 - 1,199,075)

Almost identical to Aug 19 - 1,479,855

Some approx LF’s for certain routes. UA had a few cancellations in Aug. Delta also had a couple. AC also had a cancellation. Delta best performing route in S23 was Atlanta, which also had the shortest run by far. Already on sale for S24. I wonder if they may extend into October in line with the other routes?

QR - Doha 30,822 or 99%
TK - Istanbul 11,762 or 98%
AC - Toronto 15,933 or 96%
WS - Calgary 7,901 or 84%
HU - Beijing 3,327 or 72%
VS - Orlando 4,847 or 72%
UA - Newark 18,701 or 90%
UA - Chicago 8,928 or 86%
UA - Washington 9,957 or 92%
DL - JFK 12,442 or 94%
DL - Boston 11,313 or 87%
DL - Atlanta 12,616 or 95%

[Planeraz]

Qatar S24

QR increasing capacity on EDI-DOH route. A359 now scheduled to operate double daily instead of 788. An increase of 812 seats per week.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

I think perhaps Virgin's Orlando run might make more sense on the A330-300 based on these numbers?
Tricky if the MAN-MCO rotations are doing better though, and may be better suited to the A35K?

[willy wombat]

Personally I think that the VS MCO is the one route out of all those listed above that would do better at GLA than EDI.

[laviation]

MANMCO does have an A333 on the second flight.

[CabinCrewe]

Personally I think that the VS MCO is the one route out of all those listed above that would do better at GLA than EDI.
yes dont think 3-4 times a week even on 747 were ever in 70’s in August

[GoEDI]

I think perhaps Virgin's Orlando run might make more sense on the A330-300 based on these numbers?
Tricky if the MAN-MCO rotations are doing better though, and may be better suited to the A35K?

If they increased frequency perhaps, but monthly pax total is >100% capacity if operated on A333 at current frequency. Increased flexibility on the route might also improve uptake, as I'm sure there are still significant numbers not using the direct routing given the limited days of operation.

Only 3 of the 9 MCO rotations were operated by the A35K leisure fleet in August, otherwise the load factor may well have been lower. I presume this is because the 2x leisure config aircraft were kept at MAN given English school holidays. During August, EDI seemed to be operating predominantly on a W pattern with an LHR originating aircraft.

[GoEDI]

August 23 Pax Numbers

Aug 23 - 1,480,878 (up 24% on Aug 22 - 1,199,075)

Almost identical to Aug 19 - 1,479,855

Some approx LF’s for certain routes. UA had a few cancellations in Aug. Delta also had a couple. AC also had a cancellation. Delta best performing route in S23 was Atlanta, which also had the shortest run by far. Already on sale for S24. I wonder if they may extend into October in line with the other routes?

QR - Doha 30,822 or 99%
TK - Istanbul 11,762 or 98%
AC - Toronto 15,933 or 96%
WS - Calgary 7,901 or 84%
HU - Beijing 3,327 or 72%
VS - Orlando 4,847 or 72%
UA - Newark 18,701 or 90%
UA - Chicago 8,928 or 86%
UA - Washington 9,957 or 92%
DL - JFK 12,442 or 94%
DL - Boston 11,313 or 87%
DL - Atlanta 12,616 or 95%

I have YYC much higher at 95%, and IAD lower at 84% by my reckoning.

[OltonPete]

I have YYC much higher at 95%, and IAD lower at 84% by my reckoning.

QR - Doha 30,822 or 99% - I have 97% - CAA shows 125 rotations - was there an extra?
TK - Istanbul 11,762 or 98% - I have 95% - 10 sectors by the A333 289 seats per planespotters.net
AC - Toronto 15,933 or 96% - I have 92% - 28 sectors by the 788 255 seats and 34 sectors by the 789 298 seats
WS - Calgary 7,901 or 84% - I have 94% - 26 sectors per CAA 322 seats
HU - Beijing 3,327 or 72% - same
VS - Orlando 4,847 or 72% - I have 73% if planepotters.net is correct 8 sectors by 335 seater and 10 by 397 seater
UA - Newark 18,701 or 90% - agreed
UA - Chicago 8,928 or 86% - I have 89-90% as CAA shows only 58 sectors operated
UA - Washington 9,957 or 92% - same
DL - JFK 12,442 or 94% - I have 89% as 62 sectors all but one on 226 seater (if plane spotters.net is correct at 226)
DL - Boston 11,313 or 87% - I have 82% as s 62 sectors all but one on 226 seater (if plane spotters.net is correct at 226)
DL - Atlanta 12,616 or 95% - Not checked each flight but based on 226 it would be 90%

The above of course are subject to the config being corrected and to be fair I have not used the airlines own sites and if Delta is wrong it would be good to know. Boston looks ideal for the A21N if they ever cross the pond with Delta

Pete

[CabinCrewe]

interesting to see such variations in the figures we’re often presented with…

[OltonPete]

interesting to see such variations in the figures we’re often presented with…

Some of it is down to interpretation of the configuration and whether cancellations should be counted or not. I have used the number of flights that operated as per the CAA punctuality stats which I probably should have credited and FR24 for the actual aircraft that was on the route each day but I didn't bother with United as their 757 configs are not too dissimilar.

Some can never be 100% accurate without insider knowledge as to where the business curtain ends on certain airlines although out the ones above only Turkish would fall into that category if they used one type of A321. Seat guru shows three configs, two for the A321, one includes business 3+3 with the middle seat blocked, the other is fixed 2+2 in business as is the A21N. I used the A21N config of 182 which I believe is correct as FR24 shows all flights were operated by this type and not the A321.

However having said all that, some of the original figures quoted were clearly wrong. What should not be disputed is the average pax per flight as the figure is supplied by the CAA.

Pete

[GoEDI]

There was an extra QR rotation in August in the form of LAX-DOH diverting in with a medical emergency, is this what the CAA have picked up?

I have Westjet's B789 as seating 320?

Yes load factors can always be open to slightly different interpretations given differing configs, cancellations etc. Pax per flight carried is much easier to calculate. I'm not going to bother debating differences of 1 or 2%, but each time I see these figures posted here they have always had notable discrepancies in them that I have felt obliged to query.

If you're both getting 92% for IAD though, I am now doubting myself on that one! Can I ask how you are getting this from what should have been 46 B75W rotations, and 16 B764 rotations?

[OltonPete]

There was an extra QR rotation in August in the form of LAX-DOH diverting in with a medical emergency, is this what the CAA have picked up?

I have Westjet's B789 as seating 320?

Yes load factors can always be open to slightly different interpretations given differing configs, cancellations etc. Pax per flight carried is much easier to calculate. I'm not going to bother debating differences of 1 or 2%, but each time I see these figures posted here they have always had notable discrepancies in them that I have felt obliged to query.

If you're both getting 92% for IAD though, I am now doubting myself on that one! Can I ask how you are getting this from what should have been 46 B75W rotations, and 16 B764 rotations?

I suspect you are spot on with the Qatar divert and I wonder if they have included the transit passengers in the figures.

Westjet - just checked 3 other sites and they all show 320 but not a great difference but more likely an arithmetically error on my part

Apologies re Washington I must have copied the wrong flight number as you say nowhere near 92%. I noted down all 757's which clearly was not the case. I assume I put the Chicago flight number back in and saw all 757's. The is one low figure for August sounds like the 757 all month would havre been a better idea;)

This just reinforces the original figures were a little out in some instances and way out on a couple.

Pete

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Load factors can be misleading in cases of the operating aircraft was not the type *SOLD*. Hence the Virgin A350s with the lower capacity and the United B767 swaps when sold as B757s might make a small % dent. The key insight is % of seats sold, not necessarily the same as the load factor on the day when equipment is swapped.

[GoEDI]

I suspect you are spot on with the Qatar divert and I wonder if they have included the transit passengers in the figures.

Westjet - just checked 3 other sites and they all show 320 but not a great difference but more likely an arithmetically error on my part

Apologies re Washington I must have copied the wrong flight number as you say nowhere near 92%. I noted down all 757's which clearly was not the case. I assume I put the Chicago flight number back in and saw all 757's. The is one low figure for August sounds like the 757 all month would havre been a better idea;)

This just reinforces the original figures were a little out in some instances and way out on a couple.

Pete

I don't believe transit pax are included, only those dis/embarking through the terminal. So it should just be the 2 LAX originating pax who disembarked at EDI recorded, which they were, and nothing added to DOH figures.

Out of interest, what CAA resource is it you are using to display total rotations on a route for the month?

Wouldn't say 84% is the end of the world, UA only loaded the B764 onto the route for August at the end of May, so not very much time at all to fill the additional capacity. That said, the monthly average doesn't tell the whole story, as from what I saw, generally it's the early/mid week flights that were running a bit lighter on B75W, and the B764 was justified on the busier weekend runs.

[SWBKCB]

Load factors can be misleading in cases of the operating aircraft was not the type *SOLD*. Hence the Virgin A350s with the lower capacity and the United B767 swaps when sold as B757s might make a small % dent. The key insight is % of seats sold, not necessarily the same as the load factor on the day when equipment is swapped.

Absolutely. It's what sold that is of relevance (so far as load factors are relevant...)

[Planeraz]

LF’s

Lots of discussion and points of view regarding how certain people including myself calculate LF’s. I always caveat information I post with the word approx. I don’t proclaim to be 100% accurate. Unless you happen to be a data analyst with access to ALL data or information, no one is in a position to be 100% accurate. As others have commented on, swap out of equipment or general equipment variations from the scheduled aircraft impact on calculations.

In the bigger picture, S23 has been a successful one for EDI. Pax numbers not only back to but slightly ahead of pre pandemic - 2019 levels. Certain other airports in the UK such as Cardiff have not recovered at all from the pandemic. State owned and led by a Welsh gov who have some very anti aviation policies. Thank goodness EDI is not state owned as I believe the airport would be in a similar position to Cardiff for the same reasons.

Moving forward into W23, airlines around the world appear to be scaling back certain operations. Suspending routes or cutting frequencies. The state of Global economics kicking in perhaps.. So far however confidence for S24 appears to be strong. Continued growth for EDI? Who knows. US pre-clearance could be the key for continued growth into 2025 and beyond. Infrastructure and substantial investment by the owners is another huge question, yet to be answered. No one doubts that serious investment is required to take the airport to the next level. The obvious requirement is to create a terminal or infrastructure able to cope with peak demands. IF pre-clearance has been secured, something has to happen and quickly to put the airport in the best possible position to grow.

[GoEDI]

Load factors can be misleading in cases of the operating aircraft was not the type *SOLD*. Hence the Virgin A350s with the lower capacity and the United B767 swaps when sold as B757s might make a small % dent. The key insight is % of seats sold, not necessarily the same as the load factor on the day when equipment is swapped.

Whilst I agree with the point, in this case the B764s on IAD are as scheduled and not last min equipment swaps, even if the lead time to upgrade was short. It's also very possible the VS A35K config changes were pre-planned weeks/months ago to align with English school hols and sold as such, but we can't say for sure. Even the TK A330s were pre-planned a few weeks in advance in most cases. So it's a bit of a minefield on most routes these days either way, but interesting to get some insight into route popularity anyway.

[tictack67]

I must say I do find it odd that people quibble over other people's hard work to work out LF. arguing the toss over 3 or 5 %

At the end of the day the yield is the important thing, and only the airline will know this. The actual number of passengers who flew these routes, remains the same despite how much some people don't like it

without the LFs the Pax number in themselves are quite remarkable for the month. and yet with these passenger numbers we still here comparisons of EDI with CWL or SOU, quote the barmy take



QR - Doha 30,822
TK - Istanbul 11,762
AC - Toronto 15,933
WS - Calgary 7,901
HU - Beijing 3,327
VS - Orlando 4,847
UA - Newark 18,701
UA - Chicago 8,928
UA - Washington 9,957
DL - JFK 12,442
DL - Boston 11,313
DL - Atlanta 12,616

[GayFriendly]

Agreed - LF's are interesting for statistical purposes but it's also how much each passenger is paying that the airlines make or break routes on? Of course, none of us have access to this data

Looking at pax figures alone these are an excellent set of results for EDI. However, as has been said many times before, a particular flight can be full every day but not be making money due to the fares that have been paid.

I am NOT suggesting this is the case on any of the EDI routes examined above!

[chaps1954]

There have always been two classes of A350, The premium fleet and holiday fleet both based at LHR with 2/3 of the holiday fleet interchanging with MAN in summer
and 1/2 in winter

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

https://airwaysmag.com/united-first-a321neo-aircraft/
If nothing else, despatch reliability should become much better.

I have an ask, has anyone flown United out of Scotland? The reason I ask is that in daytime flights, the one and only United flight I took on LHR-SFO was mandatory shades down and darkened cabin from the end of meal service, as this was the preference for seemingly most ot the US passengers. It's a very different culture from BA or Virgin to although whom many shades are closed but ambient daylight os still prevalent. You often see US majors taxi-ing on long haul out with most of the window shades closed (it;s not an FAA requirement to be open for take off and landing). Are the Scotland flights also flown in darkness?

[Planeraz]

https://airwaysmag.com/united-first-a321neo-aircraft/
If nothing else, despatch reliability should become much better.

I have an ask, has anyone flown United out of Scotland? The reason I ask is that in daytime flights, the one and only United flight I took on LHR-SFO was mandatory shades down and darkened cabin from the end of meal service, as this was the preference for seemingly most ot the US passengers. It's a very different culture from BA or Virgin to although whom many shades are closed but ambient daylight istill prevalent. You often see US majors taxi-ing on long haul out with most of the window shades closed (it;s not an FAA requirement to be open for take off and landing). Are the Scotland flights also flown in darkness?

Twice with UA in past 3 months with Work. Both times into Newark. No mandatory shades down. I have also flown with American from LHR to ORD this year. On a 789. The crew did dim the shades and locked them as they can do on Dreamliners. Appears to be an ad-hoc decision from the crew operating that day.

[OltonPete]

I don't believe transit pax are included, only those dis/embarking through the terminal. So it should just be the 2 LAX originating pax who disembarked at EDI recorded, which they were, and nothing added to DOH figures.

Out of interest, what CAA resource is it you are using to display total rotations on a route for the month?

Wouldn't say 84% is the end of the world, UA only loaded the B764 onto the route for August at the end of May, so not very much time at all to fill the additional capacity. That said, the monthly average doesn't tell the whole story, as from what I saw, generally it's the early/mid week flights that were running a bit lighter on B75W, and the B764 was justified on the busier weekend runs.

Afternoon GoEDI

If that link doesn't work (it doesn't look quite right) just copy and paste into your browser. It should open up in the year page and click on the one you want to display the individual months. Note I don't cross check many of these with FR24 but I have not found any errors.

I am using an Apple Mac and neither the PDF or CSV option open perfectly, the former is probably something to with my settings as only a tenth of the page is displayed but it allows me to scroll down to view all and the CSV has to be copied and pasted into numbers or sheets and tidied up but I am using Safari.

https://www.caa.co.uk/data-and-analysis/uk-aviation-market/flight-punctuality/uk-flight-punctuality-statistics/

Im sure there will be a definitive answer to transits somewhere but like you I was under the impression they only counted if they got off but I am not so sure now with my local (BHX) seemingly showing diverted pax in the individual routes where I am sure some were fuel n go but I can't be sure.

Quoting planespotters.net again the new United A21N is showing 20/180 config which I assume is "domestic" and would I be correct in thinking that there isn't any imminent plans to send them across the Atlantic.

Pete

[tartan 201]

JetBlue daily to JFK:

http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7242798&u=https%3A//ishrionaviation.com/news/jetblue-dublin-edinburgh

[Planeraz]

JetBlue daily to JFK:

http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7242798&u=https%3A//ishrionaviation.com/news/jetblue-dublin-edinburgh

More good news. Lots of seats in the New York market now. I wonder if Delta will react in some way? The late S24 start date is a bit of a strange one.

[A350Saltire]

Yeah gotta say that’s a good one as folks were adamant that JetBlue would end up at GLA. I think this just reinforces that EDI is the much stronger market or proposition these days.

Great news!

[Sk1schoolsam]

More good news. Lots of seats in the New York market now. I wonder if Delta will react in some way? The late S24 start date is a bit of a strange one.

What’s the start date of the route?

[Planeraz]

What’s the start date of the route?

Reported to be 24th August 2024.

[Sk1schoolsam]

JetBlue daily to JFK:

http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7242798&u=https%3A//ishrionaviation.com/news/jetblue-dublin-edinburgh

Good news indeed unless it leads to Delta re-evaluating there JFK route offering.

Report suggests the std A321Neo will be used as opposed to the LR version.
I am sure I read something with regards to these frames types when rostered in for the JetBlue Gatwick routes.
Apart from less Mint seats and more Y class; I also don’t believe the A321Neo can serve hot food. Not sure if any other differences. Can anyone confirm or clarify?
On a positive I very recently flew JetBlue internal in the US and it was a very good Economy offering.

[Planeraz]

Good news indeed unless it leads to Delta re-evaluating there JFK route offering.

Report suggests the std A321Neo will be used as opposed to the LR version.
I am sure I read something with regards to these frames types when rostered in for the JetBlue Gatwick routes.
Apart from less Mint seats and more Y class; I also don’t believe the A321Neo can serve hot food. Not sure if any other differences. Can anyone confirm or clarify?
On a positive I very recently flew JetBlue internal in the US and it was a very good Economy offering.

If confirmed, it will be interesting to find out if route is year-round or seasonal. There has a been a huge tit for tat goings on with the US carriers lately. Sun Country announced expansion. Minutes later Delta reacted. American announced expansion of international routes. Minutes later Delta reacted. I wonder if they will do the same here. I certainly don’t see them going double daily to JFK. Swap out 763 for an A333? Approx 67 more seats per flight. Let’s just wait for the official confirmation from JetBlue.

[tictack67]

More good news. Lots of seats in the New York market now. I wonder if Delta will react in some way? The late S24 start date is a bit of a strange one.

Jet Blue serve almost 50 US Cities from JFK, and this will be a full interline service, so the target market is not just seats destined for JFK only.

For examplae.only an extra £70 quid to connect to MiA from LGW,
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x2000/screenshot_20231025_102720_de0f86d886d4d2676ba6a152b02bc2269 040e3e4.png
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/900x2000/screenshot_20231025_102638_beabbceba4df82cd6cbc456c097122e49 2b41ed8.png

[Planeraz]

Jet Blue serve almost 50 US Cities from JFK, and this will be a full interline service, so the target market is not just seats destined for JFK only.

Absolutely, take on board what you’re saying. Don’t disagree either. The reported launch by Jetblue is direct competition for Delta. JFK is a hub for both airlines. Would be interesting to find out the number of transfer pax currently using Delta via JFK. It surely wouldn’t be a surprise to see DL react in some way? They have scaled back operations to/from EDI in W23. Will we see a full year-round service from them in 2024? Will the lack of lounge access for premium pax work against JetBlue? All very interesting.

[A350Saltire]

https://x.com/edi_airport/status/1717152870284378223?s=46&t=lVdDSC8Rs3HZjZirllAO3Q

EDI confirming the news and stating the service runs from May to September.

[Planeraz]

https://x.com/edi_airport/status/1717152870284378223?s=46&t=lVdDSC8Rs3HZjZirllAO3Q

EDI confirming the news and stating the service runs from May to September.

Flights on sale now. Prices start from £131 one way in economy. Promotional business fare from £629 one way, which is very competitive. Blows DL and UA out of the water for a premium seat.

[Breathe]

Yeah gotta say that’s a good one as folks were adamant that JetBlue would end up at GLA. I think this just reinforces that EDI is the much stronger market or proposition these days.

Great news!
Agreed. I thought JetBlue would target GLA as well. I was reading some responses on another aviation forum, some of the users are not taking the news that EDI has been selected over GLA very well.

I wonder if UA and DL will respond to this competition.

[Sk1schoolsam]

https://x.com/edi_airport/status/1717152870284378223?s=46&t=lVdDSC8Rs3HZjZirllAO3Q

EDI confirming the news and stating the service runs from May to September.

Just a seasonal peak season service to with makes sense to test the market.
Time will tell if it holds up and has the potential to go year round.

Having just been through there very busy JFK terminal they sure do have a huge potential in terms of connections.

Looks a good onboard product compared to United and Delta.
Just hope this does not come at the expense of loosing routes with them.

[mwm991]

Agreed. I thought JetBlue would target GLA as well. I was reading some responses on another aviation forum, some of the users are not taking the news that EDI has been selected over GLA very well.

I wonder if UA and DL will respond to this competition.
That forum is nothing but a glorified fanzine who see EDI as like a football rival. And I say that as someone living in the West.

JetBlue is an excellent product. Only squeeze I could see potentially at EDI is Virgin to Orlando as it's a bit of a different clientele to the mainline stuff as otherwise the numbers hold up well.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

They do have a nice modern product, a very "New York" attitude as you'd expect. I suspect the chances of American returning are even lower now. That said, jetBlue will be showcasing the future of Delta/United at EDI with the A321NX.

[Planeraz]

When JetBlue flights were put on sale earlier today, I looked at round trip EDI-JFK leaving Saturday 1st June returning Saturday 8th June 2024. Economy with checked bag included. £513.80 was the price. As of a few minutes ago, price has gone up to £928.61. Delta on same dates a whopping £1,588. United into Newark - £862. Some wild variation of prices.

[GoEDI]

They do have a nice modern product, a very "New York" attitude as you'd expect. I suspect the chances of American returning are even lower now. That said, jetBlue will be showcasing the future of Delta/United at EDI with the A321NX.

I don't think AA can be ruled out given EDI's strength in the transatlantic market these days. Time will tell.

DL currently have no intention to fly narrow bodies transatlantic any time soon. They don't even have LR/XLR on order and the Neos are to replace B752s domestically. Their future direction appears to be A339/A350. Where that leaves EDI as a destination once the B763's time is up remains to be seen.

[BA318]

I don't think AA can be ruled out given EDI's strength in the transatlantic market these days. Time will tell.

DL currently have no intention to fly narrow bodies transatlantic any time soon. They don't even have LR/XLR on order and the Neos are to replace B752s domestically. Their future direction appears to be A339/A350. Where that leaves EDI as a destination once the B763's time is up remains to be seen.

DL are flying narrowbodies to Reykjavik and the new route to Shannon will be with a 757.

[MARKEYD]

Unfortunately it’s not the case it’s just how Ryanair manipulate figures
We all see it as 2 flights a week but Ryanair say it’s 4 because they include the out and inbound services as 2 flights

[Planeraz]

KLM W23 & S24 - subject to change as always.

Reducing from 4 to 3 x daily from 10th January to 29th February 2024. Increasing to 4 x daily from 1st March then 5 x daily from 6th July.

[Asturias56]

as people start to travel to see the bulb fields no doubt.................

The Netherlands in Jan/Feb is not a pleasant spot!

[ATNotts]

as people start to travel to see the bulb fields no doubt.................

The Netherlands in Jan/Feb is not a pleasant spot!
We were in Zuid Limburg last February, weather was lovely!

[inOban]

How many PAX use KLM to fly to AMS rather than f,ying longhaul via AMS?
I had assumed that Easyjet had the short-haul business.

[Asturias56]

We were in Zuid Limburg last February, weather was lovely!

yes well - and I've looked like Captain Scott in his last moments after walking less than a km from a restaurant back to my hotel in C Amsterdam

[GeorgeNTravels]

Frequencies based on week commencing 8 JUL 24. Some routes currently set to commence in June have flights loaded for the last week in March. Due to terminal capacity restrictions in APRIL and MAY that is the likely reason for some reductions and cuts in those months. ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

ALC - 7 weekly
BCN - 10 weekly
BRI - 2 weekly
BFS - 13 weekly
BER - 8 weekly
BZR - 2 weekly (currently set to commence in JUNE)
BLL - 3 weekly in APRIL and MAY rise to 4 weekly in JUNE
BLQ - 3 weekly
BOD - 4 weekly
BOH - 4 weekly
BTS - 2 weekly
CRL - 9 weekly
OTP - 2 weekly
BUD - 6 weekly APRIL and MAY, rise to 7 weekly in JUNE
CCF - NOT CURRENTLY LOADED
CPH - 9 weekly
CFU - 1 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
ORK - 10 weekly
DUB - 32 weekly
NRN - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
EIN - 2 weekly
FAO - 8 weekly
FUE - 2 weekly
GDN - 5 weekly
LPA - 3 weekly
GOT - 2 weekly
HAM - 5 weekly
IBZ - 2 weekly
KUN - 2 weekly
NOC - 3 weekly
KRK - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
ACE - 4 weekly
LIS - 3 weekly
STN - 17 weekly
MAD - 5 weekly
AGP - 6 weekly
MLA - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
RAK - 2 weekly
MRS - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
BGY - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
NTE - 2 weekly
NAP - 3 weekly
NQY - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
FNI - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
PMO - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
PMI - 8 weekly
BVA - 4 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 5 weekly in JUNE
PSA - 4 weekly
PIS - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
OPO - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
POZ - 3 weekly
PRG - 5 weekly
RHO - 2 weekly
RIX - 4 weekly
CIA - 7 weekly
SDR - 2 weekly
SCQ - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
SVQ - 3 weekly
SNN - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
SOF - 3 weekly
TFS - 6 weekly
TIA - 3 weekly
TLS - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
TRN - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
VLC - 2 weekly
VCE - 3 weekly
VIE - 3 weekly
WMI - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED (they hold slots for EDI-WAW this winter so may transfer)
WRO - 2 weekly
ZAD - 2 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)

BRI - Now loaded 2x week for APRIL AND MAY
BLL - 3 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rise to 4 weekly in JUNE
BLQ - Loaded for full season at same frequency
BOD - Loaded for full season at same frequency
BTS - Loaded for full season at same frequency
OTP - Loaded for full season NOW 2 weekly, WAS 4 weekly
BUD - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rises to 7 weekly in JUNE
CPH - Loaded for full season at same frequency
NRN - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rises to 7 weekly in JUNE
EIN - Loaded for full season at same frequency
GDN - Loaded for full season at same frequency
GOT - Loaded for full season at same frequency
HAM - Loaded for full season at same frequency
KRK - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
LIS - Loaded for full season at same frequency
MAD - Loaded for full season at same frequency
AGP - Loaded for full season at same frequency
MLA - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
BGY - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
NTE - Loaded for full season at same frequency
NAP - Loaded for full season at same frequency
BVA - 4 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 5 weekly in JUNE
PSA - Loaded for full season at same frequency
POZ - Loaded for full season at same frequency
PRG - Loaded for full season at same frequency
RHO - Loaded for full season at same frequency
RIX - Loaded for full season at same frequency
SDR - Loaded for full season at same frequency
SVQ - Loaded for full season at same frequency
SNN - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
SOF - Loaded for full season at same frequency
VLC - Loaded for full season at same frequency
VCE - Loaded for full season at same frequency
VIE - Loaded for full season at same frequency
WRO - Loaded for full season at same frequency

CCF, MRS, FNI, PMO, PIS, OPO, SCQ, TLS, TRN & WMI all currently not available for booking - there is still a possibility of further changes, especially to WMI as noted in my original post.

[Planeraz]

Qatar

Another 773 scheduled to operate tomorrows morning service. A 773 operated this afternoons service. Presumably it is to mop up remaining pax from Sunday cancelled 788 that went tech.

[Planeraz]

EDI

Latest management meeting and planned expenditure.

key points:-

Terminal & facilities expansion.

Latest committed expenditure shows approx £58m in next phase. A slight change in information detailed in previous reports. The current investment phase or plan is for the next 5 years with an overall phased plan running to 2028. The current expenditure is primarily for the creation of gate rooms, upgraded immigration access/ hall and expanded check-in area.

Runway Rehab

Major runway rehab. Due for completion January 2027.

US Pre-Clearance

End date or proposed start date extended to January 2026. Management continue to believe this would unleash further growth and attract new routes.

Route Development

Specific mention of JetBlue, which is already in the public domain.
Finnair plan to expand again and operate up to 7 weekly or daily in S24.
Iberia plan to run whole summer season and increase frequency. Service expected to be operated by Iberia main line according to reports.
Edelweiss increasing W23 capacity.
Confirmation of Qatar capacity increase.
United - confirmation of their intention to again run double daily to EWR in S24 following a successful S23 season.
Virgin - confirmation of their intention to resume services earlier in 2024.

September 2023 Pax Number

1,388,054

Lots of other projects ongoing according to minutes. Too many to list.

[VickersVicount]

wonder why SAS ditching Oslo?

[tictack67]

wonder why SAS ditching Oslo?

Perhaps it's not a.case of #Edinburhairportbad this time.
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Is there a source for this? We've seen seanm1997 on twitter saying that it's not in the booking engine, though we know not to read to much into flight searches.

​​
​
​​​​​​Besides SAS is in financial troubles (again) and on 4th Oct 95% of the share price was lost, 250,000 investors wiped out including the Swedish Govt, Norwegian Govt having previously disposed of it's shares leaving Denmark as the only one of the original founders.

Not sure if the AF/KL will save them (20% stake) not sure what skyteam can do for them that the Star Alliance couldn't

Norwegian continue daily of course, as well as SK to ARN and CPH S24

https://www.ft.com/content/35337b8b-347c-4ac1-b863-6b3af6683a4d

[Planeraz]

Jetblue

JetBlue have not received any S24 slots at AMS. Could this open the door for a service to Boston from EDI?

[willy wombat]

More likely to open a court case against the Dutch Government

[GeorgeNTravels]

I noticed on the S23 and S24 capacity declarations that despite the work being done to security capacity remains the same at 3,350 during the day with a ramp up of numbers in the morning and a decline in the evening.

Is that likely just to be for the 1st season while the equipment settles and staff/pax get used to it, or are they not actually going to save that much time?

[Planeraz]

I noticed on the S23 and S24 capacity declarations that despite the work being done to security capacity remains the same at 3,350 during the day with a ramp up of numbers in the morning and a decline in the evening.

Is that likely just to be for the 1st season while the equipment settles and staff/pax get used to it, or are they not actually going to save that much time?

In relation to potential disruption due to works etc, I wonder how the creation of gate rooms will impact the airport? Which gates will have gate rooms? I assume the gates capable of taking wide bodies will see the boxed area prior to boarding. Not much room to play with, particularly at gates 1 to 6.

[Planeraz]

The initial ACL report lists a couple of interesting potential additions and/or resumptions. Could be more good news for EDI.

[Sk1schoolsam]

The initial ACL report lists a couple of interesting potential additions and/or resumptions. Could be more good news for EDI.

Such as…..?

[CabinCrewe]

Such as…..?
YHZ YYZ and RUH

[billyg]

YHZ YYZ and RUH

NCL and GLA also in the running for RUH!

[Sotonsean]

NCL and GLA also in the running for RUH!

NCL with Newcastle FC and the Saudi connection, but that doesn't necessarily mean a direct flight from Saudi Arabia.

GLA would obviously lose to EDI for obvious reasons if there is any truth in this unsubstantiated rumour.

But if several comments made elsewhere online are true, it could well be EDI.

[Flightrider]

Looking at the EDI S24 slot data, I can't see anything filed for Riyadh, nor any slots filed by either Riyadh Air or Saudia which might or might not be Riyadh. Same goes for NCL and GLA, by the way. Not sure where this rumour has started from, but I'm not seeing anything that shouts "Riyadh" here.

[Sk1schoolsam]

YHZ YYZ and RUH

Interesting (good that Calgary is returning after a successful NS23)
When will the report be published and publicly available?

[GayFriendly]

Rumours about Saudia starting BHX-JED were circling a long while before they started. I for one was sceptical about these rumours but it happened and the service is performing very well although I have no idea how much traffic is for Saudi itself or for onward connections. And cargo is a factor too

Saudi Arabia has huge ambition to become a major tourist destination on the global stage and is stopping at nothing to do so. So I'd be highly surprised if Saudia don't add another UK route or if Riyadh Air join the party. With Saudia now serving LGW, LHR, BHX and MAN it makes sense their next foray into the UK market will be Scotland and I'd put my money on EDI.

​​Having said that, Saudia did put ACL slot applications in for BHX so if as stated there aren't any in for EDI, then perhaps it's not happening - for now.

I personally doubt that NCL will see a service to Saudi Arabia ahead of EDI just because Saudia sponsor NUFC.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Air Transat to Toronto I would guess? 🇨🇦
Halifax was an Air Canada route out of PIK/GLA but not for decades.

[LW940]

VY EDI-BCN still not showing as available for Summer 2024 as of yet! Is it showing in the slot report for the summer?

[tartan 201]

Air Transat to Toronto I would guess? 🇨🇦
Halifax was an Air Canada route out of PIK/GLA but not for decades.
​​​​​
Westjet it would appear, as per tweet below. ​​They operated Halifax-GLA for a few years prior to COVID. Will be interesting to see if, if it happens, it's in addition to or instead of Calgary.

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1721154620855058911?t=_Xf9yg4opsrAlD12uIQ3BA&s=19

[Planeraz]

Delta S24

Delta extending operating season for Atlanta route in S24. Expected to operate similar schedule to JFK and Boston. All routes currently available to book up to and including 2nd October 2024.

[A350Saltire]

Delta S24

Delta extending operating season for Atlanta route in S24. Expected to operate similar schedule to JFK and Boston. All routes currently available to book up to and including 2nd October 2024.

Not surprised by that at all. It appeared to be a huge success this year.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Not surprised by that at all. It appeared to be a huge success this year.

Are they starting earlier or just extending the season. JFK restarts April?

[Planeraz]

Are they starting earlier or just extending the season. JFK restarts April?

First rotation is 24th May 2024 from ATL. Will they bring forward? Highly possible.

[Asturias56]

depends on US school holidays

as Wiki says:- " In the United States, depending on the region, summer break is approximately two to three months, with students typically finishing the school year in late-May or early-June and starting the new year in mid-late August or early-September."

[GeorgeNTravels]

Not surprised by that at all. It appeared to be a huge success this year.

Now that the September CAA stats are out the final average load factor for ATL is confirmed at 93.09%.

For those wondering this has been calculated by adding up all the CAA stats for the route from May through September to get 43,566 pax and then dividing it by the seats available figure from ACL Start of Season Report which was 46,800.

[GoEDI]

No formal announcement yet, but Westjet's website is showing daily YYZ (dropping to 4pw in Sept), 3x weekly YHZ peak summer only, plus YYC increasing to 4x weekly.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/flights/direct-flights

[A350Saltire]

No formal announcement yet, but Westjet's website is showing daily YYZ (dropping to 4pw in Sept), 3x weekly YHZ peak summer only, plus YYC increasing to 4x weekly.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/flights/direct-flights

That is an impressive expansion tbf.

[Planeraz]

That is an impressive expansion tbf.

Excellent news. Look forward to the official confirmation. It is a substantial expansion and quite a u-turn from Westjet. A very welcome change of strategy. Direct, daily competition with AC on the Toronto route. Will they use a 78M again or go with a 789?

New route to Halifax, presumably on a 78M. A certain Glasgow forum will be livid. How dare EDI pinch our former route 😂.

Frequency increase for Calgary also.

[GeorgeNTravels]

BRI - Now loaded 2x week for APRIL AND MAY
BLL - 3 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rise to 4 weekly in JUNE
BLQ - Loaded for full season at same frequency
BOD - Loaded for full season at same frequency
BTS - Loaded for full season at same frequency
OTP - Loaded for full season NOW 2 weekly, WAS 4 weekly
BUD - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rises to 7 weekly in JUNE
CPH - Loaded for full season at same frequency
NRN - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rises to 7 weekly in JUNE
EIN - Loaded for full season at same frequency
GDN - Loaded for full season at same frequency
GOT - Loaded for full season at same frequency
HAM - Loaded for full season at same frequency
KRK - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
LIS - Loaded for full season at same frequency
MAD - Loaded for full season at same frequency
AGP - Loaded for full season at same frequency
MLA - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
BGY - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
NTE - Loaded for full season at same frequency
NAP - Loaded for full season at same frequency
BVA - 4 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 5 weekly in JUNE
PSA - Loaded for full season at same frequency
POZ - Loaded for full season at same frequency
PRG - Loaded for full season at same frequency
RHO - Loaded for full season at same frequency
RIX - Loaded for full season at same frequency
SDR - Loaded for full season at same frequency
SVQ - Loaded for full season at same frequency
SNN - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
SOF - Loaded for full season at same frequency
VLC - Loaded for full season at same frequency
VCE - Loaded for full season at same frequency
VIE - Loaded for full season at same frequency
WRO - Loaded for full season at same frequency

CCF, MRS, FNI, PMO, PIS, OPO, SCQ, TLS, TRN & WMI all currently not available for booking - there is still a possibility of further changes, especially to WMI as noted in my original post.

Further to this post SeanM1997 confirmed on X that CCF, FNI, PIS, SCQ & TRN are removed.

MRS loaded at 2 weekly (will be 4, just 2 are showing as sold out currently)

OPO and TLS not currently loaded, however, Ryanair is still waiting to confirm 10% of it's summer 2024 schedules as they try to grip with ever changing MAX delays.

[ld0595]

Excellent news. Look forward to the official confirmation. It is a substantial expansion and quite a u-turn from Westjet. A very welcome change of strategy. Direct, daily competition with AC on the Toronto route. Will they use a 78M again or go with a 789?

New route to Halifax, presumably on a 78M. A certain Glasgow forum will be livid. How dare EDI pinch our former route 😂.

Frequency increase for Calgary also.

It's a very impressive increase - especially given that Edinburgh's only Canadaian route was a 4(?) Weekly summer only Air Canada Rouge service not that long ago.
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Another number year for TATL capacity from Edinburgh. Makes me wonder how sustainable it is but let's hope it keeps up. Wonder as well where the extra rotations from YYC are coming from given WestJet don't have an extra 789 - fairly sure it was shared with Barcelona IIRC.

That Glasgow forum is entertaining - and this is coming from someone who lives out west and is disappointed at the cuts. I quite liked the reply saying that a poster would no longer have an interest in any airline which moves east from Glasgow 😅

[A350Saltire]

It's a very impressive increase - especially given that Edinburgh's only Canadaian route was a 4(?) Weekly summer only Air Canada Rouge service not that long ago.
​​​
Another number year for TATL capacity from Edinburgh. Makes me wonder how sustainable it is but let's hope it keeps up. Wonder as well where the extra rotations from YYC are coming from given WestJet don't have an extra 789 - fairly sure it was shared with Barcelona IIRC.

That Glasgow forum is entertaining - and this is coming from someone who lives out west and is disappointed at the cuts. I quite liked the reply saying that a poster would no longer have an interest in any airline which moves east from Glasgow 😅

Has it not come from the 789 that served YYC to LGW? I believe that has been cut.

[Planeraz]

[QUOTE=ld0595;11539273]It's a very impressive increase - especially given that Edinburgh's only Canadaian route was a 4(?) Weekly summer only Air Canada Rouge service not that long ago.
​​​
Another number year for TATL capacity from Edinburgh. Makes me wonder how sustainable it is but let's hope it keeps up. Wonder as well where the extra rotations from YYC are coming from given WestJet don't have an extra 789 - fairly sure it was shared with Barcelona IIRC.

I’m pretty sure I read recently that Westjet have or is about to receive additional 789’s. They’ll certainly require them as they appear to be increasing Calgary to Tokyo and Rome to daily in S24.

Quite a challenge to AC in S24, even if WS operate YYZ on a 78M.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

The last 2 B789s were painted but NTU.
YYC-LGW being dropped frees up one B789.

[ld0595]

Makes sense - hasn't realised Gatwick had been dropped. Cheers!

[Sotonsean]

Makes sense - hasn't realised Gatwick had been dropped. Cheers!

Westjet seasonal service between Calgary and London Gatwick will not operate for the summer 2024.

Westjet have not entirely dropped London Gatwick for summer 2024. Westjet are to return to London Gatwick for seasonal service in 2024 with two additional destinations.

Westjet are to operate seasonal service between Halifax and London Gatwick with four weekly flight's by B73M.

Westjet are to operate seasonal service between St John's and London Gatwick with upto three weekly flight's B73M.

[tartan 201]

Official confirmation on WestJet

https://corporate.edinburghairport.com/o-canada-two-more-westjet-routes-added

[Planeraz]

Official confirmation on WestJet

https://corporate.edinburghairport.com/o-canada-two-more-westjet-routes-added

Flights on sale now. As expected, 7M8 will operate on the Toronto and Halifax routes. Very short flight time eastbound out of Halifax, Scheduled 5hrs 24 mins. With a favourable wind, you can probably take at least an hour off the published flight time.

[CabinCrewe]

Im sure YHZ was used 75% + for onward connections. Be interesting to see where those pax come from (and go) and if AC tries to flood things.
WestJet seem to be not sure on their philosophy with lots of chopping and changing.
Think id choose 787 (short flight or not) if given the choice.

[A350Saltire]

Im sure YHZ was used 75% + for onward connections. Be interesting to see where those pax come from (and go) and if AC tries to flood things.
WestJet seem to be not sure on their philosophy with lots of chopping and changing.
Think id choose 787 (short flight or not) if given the choice.

Seriously considering a week or two in Nova Scotia myself so the Halifax service is quite attractive and a short enough flight.

[Planeraz]

AC v WS

Air Canada appear to be reacting to WS re-entry into the Toronto market by slashing prices. Last week, a round trip to YYZ in economy (1 x week duration - 3rd week in June) with a checked bag was £890. As of a few minutes ago, the price is now £609. WS price on same dates with a checked bag - £1025. A price war underway?

[YVRscot]

Im sure YHZ was used 75% + for onward connections. Be interesting to see where those pax come from (and go) and if AC tries to flood things.
WestJet seem to be not sure on their philosophy with lots of chopping and changing.
Think id choose 787 (short flight or not) if given the choice.
From experience, the 737M Premium seats are vastly superior to 787 Premium Economy, but no Biz on the Max.

[TriBeCa]

Apologies if this information is already buried within the thread but have Delta stopped flying direct to Boston or is it just seasonal?

[Link Kilo]

Apologies if this information is already buried within the thread but have Delta stopped flying direct to Boston or is it just seasonal?

Seasonal. Scheduled to restart 9/5/24 eastbound.

[PinOnTheRight]

Does anyone know if easyJet EDI-FCO operates during the summer? Currently on sale for a few dates in March only.

[Link Kilo]

Does anyone know if easyJet EDI-FCO operates during the summer? Currently on sale for a few dates in March only.

The few flights that are on sale are for the Six Nations.

[PinOnTheRight]

The few flights that are on sale are for the Six Nations.

Thank you, never even thought of that. That explains the few dates from GLA too.

[NorthSouth]

AC v WS

Air Canada appear to be reacting to WS re-entry into the Toronto market by slashing prices. Last week, a round trip to YYZ in economy (1 x week duration - 3rd week in June) with a checked bag was £890. As of a few minutes ago, the price is now £609. WS price on same dates with a checked bag - £1025. A price war underway?
Well maybe. But AC have also reacted by just cancelling Toronto flights. We were booked for early April and now told only option is via Frankfurt.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Well maybe. But AC have also reacted by just cancelling Toronto flights. We were booked for early April and now told only option is via Frankfurt.
WestJet aren't flying out of EDI to Toronto in April though, they begin in June.

[Planeraz]

Well maybe. But AC have also reacted by just cancelling Toronto flights. We were booked for early April and now told only option is via Frankfurt.

It would appear that Air Canada is the process of adjusting or changing something, One to watch.

[Planeraz]

The soon to be publicly released ACL indicates QR may go 3 x daily. Wouldn’t this be something.

[Sk1schoolsam]

The soon to be publicly released ACL indicates QR may go 3 x daily. Wouldn’t this be something.

….still eagerly awaiting EK return. Do they still appear on the ACL report for NS24?

[A350Saltire]

….still eagerly awaiting EK return. Do they still appear on the ACL report for NS24?

I’m not sure what I think about EK returning tbh. Part of me wants to see QR continue to go from strength to strength. DOH is a much better airport to transit through than DXB.

Having said that the new Terminal A at AUH looks great too so perhaps EY returning at some point given they want to grow again would be better for EDI.

[Planeraz]

I’m not sure what I think about EK returning tbh. Part of me wants to see QR continue to go from strength to strength. DOH is a much better airport to transit through than DXB.

Having said that the new Terminal A at AUH looks great too so perhaps EY returning at some point given they want to grow again would be better for EDI.

QR in recent articles do not hide their ambition to tap into the rapidly growing Indian market. Presumably, they see this as a good opportunity or reason to expand capacity at airports like EDI. Their friends at EK, currently command the lion share of transfer pax from that region into Glasgow. You have to ask why (as yet) they haven’t reintroduced the second daily rotation at GLA? Glasgow isn’t even mentioned in the most recent reports about expansion in S24. They may claim it’s purely down to aircraft availability or staffing issues. On the other hand, could it be the case they when the new aircraft arrive, EK May move east along the M8?

Etihad returning is another interesting one. They have restructured, have a an amazing new hub, ready to accommodate more aircraft. They have already announced some expansion plans to airports on the continent. New management team in place now with a more stable financial position. Not out of the question that they could return for another shot.

[GeorgeNTravels]

How many weekly flights did Qatar have in 2019?

I also spoke with a number of airlines at trade events within the last 6 weeks who repeatedly made the same point about TATL flights. America is benefitting from the exchange rate, when that improves they expect the market to flatline roughly where it is now, the problem is nobody knows when that will be.

The second point raised was prices from the UK going East are much higher than prices going West. They all said that as more seats become available going East and prices fall they expect TATL flying to be impacted.

I know at least 1 airline was looking at plans to launch EDI flights and shelved them due to market uncertainty, amongst other issues specific to EDI.

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[Planeraz]

How many weekly flights did Qatar have in 2019?



I know at least 1 airline was looking at plans to launch EDI flights and shelved them due to market uncertainty, amongst other issues specific to EDI.

​​​​​

QR operated up to 10 x weekly in 2019.

What other “specific” issues exist at EDI? Are the issues solely or unique to EDI?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

What other “specific” issues exist at EDI? Are the issues solely or unique to EDI?
I think it would likely be stand availability at times they'd want to operate. I think we all know that's a fair challenge given the recent chaos. Delays can really knock on and cost money.

[Sk1schoolsam]

I’m not sure what I think about EK returning tbh. Part of me wants to see QR continue to go from strength to strength. DOH is a much better airport to transit through than DXB.

Having said that the new Terminal A at AUH looks great too so perhaps EY returning at some point given they want to grow again would be better for EDI.

I don’t disagree about transiting, however I come from a personal perspective of needing to work in Dubai itself, it would be great to have the direct flight back.😉

[GeorgeNTravels]

QR operated up to 10 x weekly in 2019.

What other “specific” issues exist at EDI? Are the issues solely or unique to EDI?
Thanks

I think it would likely be stand availability at times they'd want to operate. I think we all know that's a fair challenge given the recent chaos. Delays can really knock on and cost money.

This was the biggest one mentioned as they were looking to operate at one of the busiest periods of the day. The other issue mentioned was alternative direct options from EDI.

They haven't ruled out any service to EDI, and as I say it is still "under consideration"

[tartan 201]

I think it would likely be stand availability at times they'd want to operate. I think we all know that's a fair challenge given the recent chaos. Delays can really knock on and cost money.

This was the biggest one mentioned as they were looking to operate at one of the busiest periods of the day. The other issue mentioned was alternative direct options from EDI.

They haven't ruled out any service to EDI, and as I say it is still "under consideration"

One can understand why lack of stand availability would be an issue for Icelandair (presuming that's the airline in question). Their GLA service is scheduled to be on the ground there from 0955 to 1245 to fit in with the arrival and departure banks at KEF and occupying a stand for almost three hours at that time of day in the summer at EDI would exacerbate the issues experienced this summer.

[Sk1schoolsam]

One can understand why lack of stand availability would be an issue for Icelandair (presuming that's the airline in question). Their GLA service is scheduled to be on the ground there from 0955 to 1245 to fit in with the arrival and departure banks at KEF and occupying a stand for almost three hours at that time of day in the summer at EDI would exacerbate the issues experienced this summer.

….I guess similar to how Hainan did this summer with Beijing flight twice a week (which looks like it may not be back for this S24)

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

….I guess similar to how Hainan did this summer with Beijing flight twice a week (which looks like it may not be back for this S24)
That was a pain point in stand blocking. EDI's lack of remote parking meant no ability to push off stand for a few hours, maybe even cater on a remote while one of the US flights used the gate before towing back on for the departure.There's pretty much no contingency in summer now, so you have long haulers being late back to their base due to holding on taxiways in Scotland for a gate. Now for the margins of a LHR/FRA/CDG that's unavoidable, for Scotland, there's probably a few similar airports competing for the aircraft that can get it home on time. That's my worry.

[habs_fan]

Well maybe. But AC have also reacted by just cancelling Toronto flights. We were booked for early April and now told only option is via Frankfurt.


Air Canada Re-start has been Pushed back to May from March due Aircraft availability shortage.

[CabinCrewe]

Air Canada Re-start has been Pushed back to May from March due Aircraft availability shortage.
Maybe they could plan known aircraft shortage cover like they did at MAN with the Omni 762?

[habs_fan]

Maybe they could plan known aircraft shortage cover like they did at MAN with the Omni 762?

Dont think AC will be Using Omni again was not a good experience for the Airline and passengers 🙈

[EGPO]

It's great to see Edinburgh doing so well, as it's such a popular tourist and business connection, from other parts of the world .
Wasn't there a plan to expand the airport, including a second runway and new stands , before the pandemic ?.
When foreign airlines fly to Scotland, it's Edinburgh that most people know .
So you'd think they would make it a priory to be able to accommodate new business opportunities.
Plus the talk of a rail link as well , which would still be very useful , despite the tram link.
It's Scotland's capital , and the airport infrastructure and terminal space should reflect this .

[Asturias56]

I don't think the old Masterplan 2040 envisioned two runways - the 2016 ish plan reckoned a new runway might be needed in 2050

There are a lot of people who will die in the ditch to stop any expansion that affects them or their house prices................ - they're also voters

[Planeraz]

Is EDI about to secure a big African carrier? With an established star alliance presence already, principally with United and Lufthansa this must put the airport in a strong position.

https://simpleflying.com/ethiopian-airlines-european-expansion-plans-revealed/

[QEC]

That was a pain point in stand blocking. EDI's lack of remote parking meant no ability to push off stand for a few hours, maybe even cater on a remote while one of the US flights used the gate before towing back on for the departure.There's pretty much no contingency in summer now, so you have long haulers being late back to their base due to holding on taxiways in Scotland for a gate. Now for the margins of a LHR/FRA/CDG that's unavoidable, for Scotland, there's probably a few similar airports competing for the aircraft that can get it home on time. That's my worry.

They could always go back to your ex favourite before you became an EDI fan, Glasgow?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Do you mean me? What I would love to see is EDI thrive and prosper as a good advert for Scotland. Having good connections and a decent passenger experience. A terminal fit for a modern 21st century European capital.

I'm not a 14 year old fan boy and this isn't a playground. Constructive criticism not allowed?

[QEC]

Do you mean me? What I would love to see is EDI thrive and prosper as a good advert for Scotland. Having good connections and a decent passenger experience. A terminal fit for a modern 21st century European capital.

I'm not a 14 year old fan boy and this isn't a playground. Constructive criticism not allowed?


You didn't answer my question?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

You didn't ask one so far as I can see. Don't drink and post fella.
If the commercial nos say EDI is the better bet then I have no skin in the game. Three lowland airports was always too many, PIK seems to have found a niche at last and GLA is being bled dry by EDI.
When GLA had a woeful customer experience in the 90s they had transformational funding at group level to build a new build pier with airbridges for most gates. That's no longer an option for EDI and their infrastructure seems likely to be relatively poor going forward as they need to force a pint into a 1/2 pint pot to make their targets.

My "ex favourite"? How OLD are you?
I grew up west coast but left tribal bs behind when I left.... I use both GLA/EDI frequently as a consumer.

[QEC]

You didn't ask one so far as I can see. Don't drink and post fella.
If the commercial nos say EDI is the better bet then I have no skin in the game. Three lowland airports was always too many, PIK seems to have found a niche at last and GLA is being bled dry by EDI.
When GLA had a woeful customer experience in the 90s they had transformational funding at group level to build a new build pier with airbridges for most gates. That's no longer an option for EDI and their infrastructure seems likely to be relatively poor going forward as they need to force a pint into a 1/2 pint pot to make their targets.

My "ex favourite"? How OLD are you?
I grew up west coast but left tribal bs behind when I left.... I use both GLA/EDI frequently as a consumer.

To simplify it for you basically my question was that if Edinburgh's at capacity and US flights are being unacceptably delayed thus missing connections Stateside then restart a Glasgow flight, it's just along the road isn't it.

[Rutan16]

Air Canada Re-start has been Pushed back to May from March due Aircraft availability shortage.

Na that’s almost certainly a half truth , just weaker forward bookings in March , April and early May .

The carrier has a history of pushing back and reducing seasonal shoulder services .

No disrespect.

[SWBKCB]

Na that’s almost certainly a half truth , just weaker forward bookings in March , April and early May .

The carrier has a history of pushing back and reducing seasonal shoulder services .

No disrespect.

I agree - if there are operational issues, which flights do you pull first? the weaker performers.

[tictack67]

To simplify it for you basically my question was that if Edinburgh's at capacity and US flights are being unacceptably delayed thus missing connections Stateside then restart a Glasgow flight, it's just along the road isn't it.

To simplify it for you,.Airlines make that decision and so far they haven't...

[QEC]

To simplify it for you,.Airlines make that decision and so far they haven't...

One can only wonder at the deals airlines being offered by GD and co, I'm sure the Scottish Executive and what they call up there "visit edinburgh" aren't pushing harder for one airport over the other to secure routes..

[Planeraz]

Turkish

I wonder if TK’s new low cost subsidiary airline will make an appearance at EDI? One to watch….

[CabinCrewe]

Turkish

I wonder if TK’s new low cost subsidiary airline will make an appearance at EDI? One to watch….
What did you have in mind for them to operate?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

One can only wonder at the deals airlines being offered by GD and co, I'm sure the Scottish Executive and what they call up there "visit edinburgh" aren't pushing harder for one airport over the other to secure routes..
I remember Pat Lally used every chance he could to trash PIK, suggesting how many more flights Scotland would have if GLA got transatlantic status. Well he was right if only in the short term. Who speaks that well for Glasgow in the 2020s? Pretty shallow talent pool nowadays. If EDI offers an airline a compelling commercial deal to operate, why isn't GLA doing the same? Are you saying there's something illegal going on?
Airlines have a herd instinct, AC and NW dropped PIK together. Once Continental opened EDI they had a direct GLA/EDI comparison, so they went from one daily EDI and GLA with a second daily B757 4 weekly GLA and 3 weekly EDI. For me, the year that swapped 4/3 in favour of EDI, we could see the direction of travel. I think US Airways was the last one to start out at GLA? Delta offered GLA after years at EDI and then dropped it alongside United. Those guys have got years of data showing which option works better for them.
When Air Canada returned to Scotland, they opened EDI first with Rouge with a smaller GLA operation following a few years later. Having looked at both, they went all into EDI, and not as a new route.
I don't think there's too many shenanigans behind the scenes. It just seems that the airlines have chosen EDI over GLA and like LHR over LGW/STN or MAN over LPL, it's not gonna change.

[billyg]

I don't think there's too many shenanigans behind the scenes. It just seems that the airlines have chosen EDI over GLA and like LHR over LGW/STN or MAN over LPL, it's not gonna change.
When a Friday , Saturday or Sunday morning back in the 90s saw 17 wide-bodies at Glasgow most people thought that was it , it wasn't going to change .......................

[Ekally1]

I do think scotland has too many airports.. build a mega airport in Central Scotland and close the rest ... look at Berlin for example

[nighthawk117]

I do think scotland has too many airports.. build a mega airport in Central Scotland and close the rest ... look at Berlin for example

Berlin is not an example you want to be using!

[ATNotts]

Berlin is not an example you want to be using!
Berlin is a good example of the way to go, but not in the manner it was executed!

[Ekally1]

Berlin is not an example you want to be using!

I think it's a perfect one .. 3 airports closing going into one .. maybe not how it was implemented but I think you knew that

[Planeraz]

I do think scotland has too many airports.. build a mega airport in Central Scotland and close the rest ... look at Berlin for example

Too many airports? Scotland has similarities to Ireland re concentration of market share. Dublin being the main international airport and Shannon being the more regional like airport with a limited number of international routes. Dublin continues to grow and is doing very well. Edinburgh is the main airport in Scotland with Glasgow being the smaller operation. Aberdeen and Inverness are very regional type concerns with a handful of non UK flights. I don’t see things changing dramatically anytime soon. The large international airlines like to fly to capital cities and compete directly. EDI being a good example. Glasgow, for now, has emirates and have one TATL route with Air Transat. That’s it really. One Scottish mega hub if you want to call it this would be mega expensive and would be met with huge resistance from the green brigade and the current political establishment.

[Ekally1]

Too many airports? Scotland has similarities to Ireland re concentration of market share. Dublin being the main international airport and Shannon being the more regional like airport with a limited number of international routes. Dublin continues to grow and is doing very well. Edinburgh is the main airport in Scotland with Glasgow being the smaller operation. Aberdeen and Inverness are very regional type concerns with a handful of non UK flights. I don’t see things changing dramatically anytime soon. The large international airlines like to fly to capital cities and compete directly. EDI being a good example. Glasgow, for now, has emirates and have one TATL route with Air Transat. That’s it really. One Scottish mega hub if you want to call it this would be mega expensive and would be met with huge resistance from the green brigade and the current political establishment.

fully aware of the landscape thanks

[Flightrider]

This really is a ridiculous debate. Both of the major Scottish airports are owned by institutional investors with significant amounts of debt secured against them. You're proposing to throw that away and spend even more billions that would need to be borrowed building something else somewhere else. It's playground fantasy stuff.

[Ekally1]

This really is a ridiculous debate. Both of the major Scottish airports are owned by institutional investors with significant amounts of debt secured against them. You're proposing to throw that away and spend even more billions that would need to be borrowed building something else somewhere else. It's playground fantasy stuff.

Its not going not happen I get that but is it really a ridiculous debate ? Really ? 3 airports 50 miles apart think there is a valid point there . If i want to bring it up i will .

[Planeraz]

Qatar

QR 359 returns to EDI tomorrow. Great to have them back. A 788 operates the morniing service before the A359 in the afternoon. With EK retaining slots, will they actually use them in 2024? In relation to possible competition for QR, EDI has been mentioned on a couple of non UK forums as a potential new destination for Singapore Airlines.

[habs_fan]

Qatar

QR 359 returns to EDI tomorrow. Great to have them back. A 788 operates the morniing service before the A359 in the afternoon. With EK retaining slots, will they actually use them in 2024? In relation to possible competition for QR, EDI has been mentioned on a couple of non UK forums as a potential new destination for Singapore Airlines.


would say EK coming back would be highly doubtful with their lack of Aircraft and crew and QR going 3 daily some days next year.

[CabinCrewe]

QR going 3 daily some days next year.
Bookable?

[SealinkBF]

Edinburgh airport, along with Glasgow, Edinburgh and Southampton potentially up for sale.

Four UK airports reportedly up for sale (travelmole.com) (https://www.travelmole.com/news/four-uk-airports-reportedly-up-for-sale/?otg=1&nidd=YmlsbHlzaGVhcmVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==)

[CabinCrewe]

Edinburgh airport, along with Glasgow, ABERDEEN and Southampton potentially up for sale.

Four UK airports reportedly up for sale (travelmole.com) (https://www.travelmole.com/news/four-uk-airports-reportedly-up-for-sale/?otg=1&nidd=YmlsbHlzaGVhcmVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==)
Mildly sketchy details there… ‘could’ ‘may be’
EDI has apparently been for sale for past few years…
They’ll still all be under same owners this time next year if I was to wager.

[SWBKCB]

According to Reuters, (https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/infrastructure-funds-prepare-sales-airports-uk-italy-sources-2023-12-01/) the majority owner of Edinburgh airport is actively looking to sell. Global Infrastructure Partners (GIP) is looking to offload its majority stake, according to several sources. That would value the airport at about €2.5 billion. It could see a new owner by 2024.

Yes, looks like a space filler. Certainly a sale by the end of the year looks unlikely....

[Asturias56]

Now covid is over some owners are selling out of infrastructure in general - I'd imagine they'd get a good price for EDI

[tartan 201]

Yes, looks like a space filler. Certainly a sale by the end of the year looks unlikely....
If you read the Reuters article you'll see it says "Among the largest of the airports that may see a change of ownership as soon as 2024 is Edinburgh, five of the sources said". Hence a sale may happen in 2024 not by 2024.

[tictack67]

Bet Wizz were surprised to be back in Edinburgh so quick. 😅

[Planeraz]

A China Southern B77L cargo due in this morning. Presumably to collect the pandas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxWkPwhjwc

[Planeraz]

Ryanair

SeanM reporting a new route. Cologne - 3 x weekly from end of March 2024. Good news and appears to show-up comments made by a regular contributor on this forum, made on a Glasgow forum that EDI is a big loser (max aircraft) and their is no new routes from Scotland.

[Ekally1]

Ryanair

SeanM reporting a new route. Cologne - 3 x weekly from end of March 2024. Good news and appears to show-up comments made by a regular contributor on this forum, made on a Glasgow forum that EDI is a big loser (max aircraft) and their is no new routes from Scotland.
Well he isn't wrong .. with FR at edi losing 6 or so routes I believe and gaining just one ..

[inOban]

And it's a route already served by Eurowings up to 5/wk.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Pandas left EDI today with China Southern, possibly the first time they've visited EDI.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

I didn't know that Ryanair had to have a RUK G- based airframe at each UK base? We left the EU ages ago, was there an extended period of transition that easyJet missed?

[GeorgeNTravels]

I didn't know that Ryanair had to have a RUK G- based airframe at each UK base? We left the EU ages ago, was there an extended period of transition that easyJet missed?

Honestly I'm not 100% sure. My source said that was part of the reason that EI had to stop flying BHF-LHR as they couldn't because they are Irish and couldn't operate anymore.

[tartan 201]

I didn't know that Ryanair had to have a RUK G- based airframe at each UK base? We left the EU ages ago, was there an extended period of transition that easyJet missed?

I don't think they do. Certainly PIK has always been EI- registered based aircraft. I think the G- aircraft are needed to do intra-UK or UK-non EU flights.

[GeorgeNTravels]

I don't think they do. Certainly PIK has always been EI- registered based aircraft. I think the G- aircraft are needed to do intra-UK or UK-non EU flights.

Ah, that makes sense actually. Apologies if I got it wrong.

[natmci]

I didn't know that Ryanair had to have a RUK G- based airframe at each UK base? We left the EU ages ago, was there an extended period of transition that easyJet missed?

Ryanair have a different AOC for non-EU/domestic flights, Ryanair UK (RK), this AOC uses G- reg AC, from EDI they are used on TIA, RAK, NQY etc. Some bases have more/less G- reg aircraft, e.g. NCL and PIK have none, whilst BFS only has G- reg RK aircraft, presumably given the number of domestic services.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Honestly I'm not 100% sure. My source said that was part of the reason that EI had to stop flying BHF-LHR as they couldn't because they are Irish and couldn't operate anymore.
UK domestics and UK to non-EU should normally be done with G- aircraft, so hence the Ryanair AOC. This is also the reason for the G- Aer Lingus ATR fleet based out of BHD, they didn't want to add a single A320 to a new AOC to maintain BHD-LHR.
Thanks guys, makes sense.

[Planeraz]

UA S24

United appear to be making some changes. The Washington service will now resume much earlier than normal. First service from IAD - 30th March 2024. Credit PM for the heads up. Good news for pax travelling at Easter.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Thanks to SeanM1997 on X, Turkish Airlines are increasing IST from 7 to 10 weekly. I'm not sure what days the extra flights operate.

I noticed last week on the Austrian Website the Edelweiss have extra flights to Zurich for the Euros that depart EDI at 0320

[A350Saltire]

Thanks to SeanM1997 on X, Turkish Airlines are increasing IST from 7 to 10 weekly. I'm not sure what days the extra flights operate.

I noticed last week on the Austrian Website the Edelweiss have extra flights to Zurich for the Euros that depart EDI at 0320

Do we know if the extra TK flights will all be A321?

[Planeraz]

Swiss/Edelweiss

Swiss/Edelweiss increasing flights in days leading up to the start of Euro 2024. Additional flight leaving EDI at 03:15 with a connection via Zurich available for fans travelling to Munich and other German destinations. Will this be the earliest scheduled AM departure EDI will have seen?

Wont be many eating/Drinking options available for fans at such an early hour…

[Planeraz]

Do we know if the extra TK flights will all be A321?

A320. Flights on sale now. Double daily on M,TH,S.

[GayFriendly]

03.15?? Bet Edelweiss pilots and cabin crew will be queuing up to work that flight 🤣🤣🤣

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[AirportPlanner1]

Air Berlin did the same at STN during the World Cup in 2006. There were no shortage of takers. By the time the matches come around there may well be other random charters at similar times.

[A350Saltire]

City flyer adding routes to Sardinia and San Sebastián in Summer 24 according to the airport’s Twitter account.

https://x.com/edi_airport/status/1732762912622612601?s=46&t=lVdDSC8Rs3HZjZirllAO3Q

[Sk1schoolsam]

A320. Flights on sale now. Double daily on M,TH,S.

I thought they were going 9 weekly in NW23 with double flights on Sat and Sun. Has that changed?

[tictack67]

Do we know if the extra TK flights will all be A321?

​​​​​​Starts 10th June 2024, Days.136.

​​​​​​Appears to be A320 on the 10th thereafter all flights on A321

[A350Saltire]

​​​​​​Starts 10th June 2024, Days.136.

​​​​​​Appears to be A320 on the 10th thereafter all flights on A321

Good expansion. Nice to see them growing at EDI. Wonder when the QR third daily will be announced 😜

[Sk1schoolsam]

Can anyone share a downloaded copy of the ACL Slot Report for EDI S24 - just curious to read
many thanks in advance

[NotanAVGeek]

Several diverts into EDI today. Quite a few Ryanair from LBA and MAN. SAS from DUB and a Jet2 from LBA.

[Planeraz]

Delta W24

Delta further reducing frequency on JFK route. Planned daily reduced to 4 x weekly. Will Jetblue step in and extend from summer seasonal?

[CabinCrewe]

Delta W24

Delta further reducing frequency on JFK route. Planned daily reduced to 4 x weekly. Will Jetblue step in and extend from summer seasonal?
on an untrodden path, I would doubt it. I think its more a case of reigning in overcapacity and protecting margins.

[tictack67]

Another new route for Edinburgh, Agadir Morocco.
The second destination in Morocco from Edinburgh, Agadir starting S24, Marrakesh operating all year at the moment

[Ekally1]

Another new route for Edinburgh, Agadir Morocco.
The second destination in Morocco from Edinburgh, Agadir starting S24, Marrakesh operating all year at the moment

Pisa been dropped however

[Ekally1]

Pisa isn't in Morocco.

It's not Panto

Never said it was ... just saying pisa is dropped .. fairly simple to understand I think

[Exasperated]

Never said it was ... just saying pisa is dropped .. fairly simple to understand I think
Pisa still bookable. If you mean PIS that is Poitiers and was dropped some time ago.

Ex

[Planeraz]

Norwegian S24

Credit SeanM

New Route

Bergen 2 x weekly.

Good news though.

[Saabdriver1]

Taking the place of Loganair

Says who?

[Planeraz]

Says who?

Previous info from a number of weeks ago suggested they had dropped the route. It still appears to be available to book as of today. Happy to be corrected.

[Saabdriver1]

Stavanger dropped. Bergen very much continues.

[inOban]

LM are/were offering up to 5/wk to Bergen but I would expect that they will drop the days which clash with Norwegian.

[CabinCrewe]

Too much capacity to Bergen. Watch that change. Nice option though, would like to visit.
Same with the UK-Agadir sudden obsession. Can’t see many of the new Agadir flights lasting more than a season.

[Saabdriver1]

Norwegian literally there for eight or nine weeks only across the summer peak. It is a lot of capacity, but not for a long length of time.