MANCHESTER - 9

[ArtfulDodger]

RAF Typhoon jets have been launched to investigate an incident involving a civilian aircraft within UK airspace, the Ministry of Defence has said.......

Story here...... Manchester Bound Pakistan Flight Escorted in to Stansted by Typhoon Jets: BBC News | The Airport Informer (http://wp.me/p2jrV4-I6)

[LAX_LHR]

Hearing on the grapevine that the Thomas Cook Group are on the verge of signing a deal with Oakland Airport, in the San Fransisco bay area for flights.

Its expected that Frankfurt, Stockholm and Manchester would gain flights to Oakland.

Flights are likely to start in 2014, and will be 2 weekly from each airport.

[roverman]

Just over the bay from SFO, we creep nearer to a true West Coast destination. Has been done before, though. Who remembers the Trans International (later Transamerica) B747-200s flying it for Jetsave in the early 1980s?

[North West]

It is about the CEO stating that he wants more pax to use our direct services than connect to same destination via London. Hence the fly local campaign. Is it not therefore somewhat barmy for somebody in marketing to execute the exact opposite of a strategy laid down at board level. ...or am I missing something.

The marketing campaign is aimed at people who drive to London.

Manchester Airport, the global gateway to and from Northern England, launches a ‘Fly Manchester’ campaign today to win back the four million passengers from its catchment area that currently travel by road/ rail to London airports when routes operate a short distance away in Manchester.

Considering the hefty contribution to the airport coffers that the BA LHR services make, it would be a pretty spectacular own goal to start a public advertising campaign to tell customers not to use it.

By the way, I've no idea how they came up with the "four million" passengers stat. Apparently it was CAA survey data, but that historically has always shown a very small number of people from the North West using road or rail to get to London. It was about half a million in the 2011 survey. Where do the other 3.5 million live?

[GavinC]

Does anyone know if Qatar will be flying the 787 on Sunday? I need to go to Doha for business and would like to fly it if possible. Last time i flew EY via AUH as the timetable was better for me with the overnight flight but i might fly during the day if i can go 787

[LAX_LHR]

Currently down to be an A330-300 but ad-hoc changes seem to be common at the moment.

B787 last weekend, and the B777-200LR yesterday with the B777-300 appearing today.

[LAX_LHR]

Few good flights in over the past and next few days.

Firstly Virgin used an A340-600 from New York for a charter on Saturday.

Jetair fly of Belgium had their whole long haul fleet at MAN, with one B767 based and the other operating cruise charters to Venice.

An Etihad flight from Chicago to Abu Dhabi diverted in this morning due to a Medical emergency. Aircraft was B777-300ER.

Aegean started their new 2 weekly Athens flight on Saturday, strengthening the Star Alliance presence at MAN.

Freebird started the first of their 4 new summer destinations on Friday.

Egyptair start their new 5 weekly Cairo flights this week, another Star Alliance carrier to the MAN fold.

TAP Portugal increase their flights to Lisbon. Flights are now 10 weekly using larger A320 and A321 aircraft. Yet another star alliance increase.

Antonov design bureau AN124 (beast of an aircraft) are also using MAN as a fuel and pilot rest stop again, the first arriving this evening and departing tomorrow.

American Airlines switch the much larger B767-300 on the Chicago flight in the next week.

Delta have switched to the A330-200 this weekend too, with the larger A330-300 already being used.

Lastly BA citiflyer have run a few flights this weekend to various destinations. All are a one off basis apart from MAN-Olbia which runs all summer every Saturday.

Not a bad little period at MAN

[Bagso]

Very true Lax.....a great few days plus RAF L1011.

I think however I will go and drill through my cranium as quite a few people are still missing the bloody point !

As LAX points out re Aegean, new service this week !

It is THIS type of service and indeed any DIRECT /NEW flights that MAG should be promoting on Tweetter, certainly not Virginholidays to JFK via LHR, especially as we have direct flights to New York, and not when the CEO is so strident in criticism of using LHR when we have our own flights !

My God its hard work at times...........

[LAX_LHR]

But the new Aegean flights have been advertised, by many sources with a MAG quote to bpot? Unless this is still not good enough?

[UnderASouthernSky]

Isn't the An-124 that arrived on Monday loading at MAN? I got told by a handler there that it was in from Ukraine and out to Russia... in which case it isn't a fuel & crew stop.

Don't have my records with me, but I'd be surprised if MAN was cheaper than other suitable "cargo" airports in the UK for techstops.... EMA, STN, PIK etc?

[Skipness One Echo]

certainly not Virginholidays to JFK via LHR
Soooooo what you're saying is, you would like Virgin Little red to fail?
As anyone flying to MIA, LAX, BOS, SFO, BOM, DEL, JNB, CPT, NRT etc ought to be flying from MAN and connecting abroad? I'm baffled now. You can get a better deal flying MAN-abc-JFK rather than pay the direct premium and flying MAN-JFK on the AA211. MAN still gets the passengers you know.

Some of the fares to EWR, JFK and DXB are way better over LHR with VS than with UA, AA and EK. This is becasuse of the high volume of onward connections can actually make it prohibitively expensive to fly a fraction of the way.
Airline economics are nuts!

[Bagso]

skippy I agree re fares..... there is usually a premium if you want to fly from an airport on your doorstep than connect via a major hub.

However all I am saying is that Charlie Cornish the MAG CEO was very bullish about the promotion of DIRECT Manchester flights rather than pax connecting via LHR in his press release Nov 1st 2012.

I'll reference his quote yet again.


"We think it's bonkers that people use Heathrow and then fly connect onwards, when they could do so from Manchester and in doing so, support jobs and the North West's economy."


The point I am desperately trying to get across (and seemingly failing) is the fact that it seems somewhat perverse that the airport marketing people are promoting flights VIA LONDON using tweeter, when the CEO himself has expressly suggested that he wants pax in the NWest to fly on OUR own services in those instances where a direct flight exists.:ugh:

LAX yes I agree there has been PR about Aegean but stick it on ALL media platforms including tweeter ! That is after all what marketing is all about !
It's three lines and it costs nothing, they have 60,000 followers !

There are plenty of new or expanding routes which you summarised which are simply not being referenced on this media outlet.

OK, if its a conscious decision to use "other forms of digital media" or "traditional PR" to market new routes/change of equipment/expansion of frequency, then fine.....

But do not then use tweeter to market one set of flights without mentioning all the others and certainly not those that promote using London over our own direct services on AA or UA.

[LAX_LHR]

Don't have my records with me, but I'd be surprised if MAN was cheaper than other suitable "cargo" airports in the UK for techstops.... EMA, STN, PIK etc?

The AN124 has made a few tech stops en-route in the past at MAN, at one stage there was even talk of making it a regular stop off point.

LAX yes I agree there has been PR about Aegean but stick it on ALL media platforms including tweeter ! That is after all what marketing is all about! It's three lines and it costs nothing, they have 60,000 followers !

So basically it doesn't matter how many news sources MAN uses, if its not on tw*tter it doesn't count? Never mind the fact there are 7 different news sources on google news alone? :ugh:

The point I am desperately trying to get across (and seemingly failing)

To be honest I think people are getting bored.
Part of the reason I left the other forum is because it turned into bloomin moan fest.
Nothing is good enough, its never quite right and its just moan, moan, moan and more moaning.
MAN could announce 20 new flights, and you would still find reason to complain. Yes there are some things that can do better, but come on, try to get less riled, you'll give yourself a coronary!

[Bagso]

To be honest so am I ....its like Monty Python !

.."is this the 15 minute argument or the full half hour"

It seemed a relevant point rather than a moan, but I shall withdraw.

..thanks for the concern but I certainly won't be having a coronary over comments on here :ok:

[Betablockeruk]

You can get a better deal flying MAN-abc-JFK rather than pay the direct premium and flying MAN-JFK on the AA211. MAN still gets the passengers you know.

Yep. Just done AA211/210 in business class. Full both ways - thought I'd been bumped when couldn't print outbound boarding card but just a glitch.

Finance guy had options of Icelandair, Aer Lingus but then went for direct (thankfully).

So, that constant argument about 'yields'....on this evidence, AA should now upgrade to a 763?

[Skipness One Echo]

So, that constant argument about 'yields'....on this evidence, AA should now upgrade to a 763?
Well they don't have Delta or BA on MAN-JFK anymore so quite possibly.

[LAX_LHR]

on this evidence, AA should now upgrade to a 763

It is being looked into running the B767-300 on ORD year round and on the JFK in the summer, but, MAN has to prove its case ahead of other routes that also warrant a B767-300.

[Skipness One Echo]

It is being looked into running the B767-300 on ORD year round
It used to ba B763 for years as well as an MD11 after starting as one of the original B762 transatlantic routes. It's indicative of how American lost the initiative on the North Atlantic that it ever ended up on the B752! I hope the "new" American can bounce back as it's rather range and payload restricted taking the B752 that far. Indeed isn't AA withdrawing the B757 from the North Atlantic? They've pulled LHR-BOS and BRU-JFK so not sure what's left now.

[LAX_LHR]

I think it is just JFK-MAN/DUB and winter ORD-MAN left. There is internal talk that MAN-ORD will go year round B787 when they arrive for the capacity and economics, but dont see it myself.

[LAX_LHR]

Blue Islands drop MAN-GCI-JER from 10th June

Seems the economics did not add up, MAN-GCI in a J31 not my cup of tea anyway.

Route is still served by Auriginy.

[750XL]

Wasn't it MAN-JER-GCI?

[LAX_LHR]

New Scandinavian destination and new airline.

Flynonstop will run a 2 weekly Kristiansand (mon and Fri) from January 2014.

No doubt football related due to the days of operation and the obscurity of the destination.

[LAX_LHR]

Further to the last post, flynonstop now bookable on their website:

J7234 KRS 0730 MAN 0800 Fri E170
J7235 MAN 0850 KRS 1135 Fri E170

J7234 KRS 1930 MAN 2000 Mon E170
J7235 MAN 2050 KRS 2335 Mon E170

Effective 6th January 2014.

[LGS6753]

Worst airports for flight delays revealed (http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?c=setreg&region=2&m_id=s~_rvY!s~m&w_id=9002&news_id=2006632)

[roverman]

The number 20 is big news in Manchester for the second time this Spring.
20 top flight football league titles (OK, it's 23 in total for both clubs) and 20 million terminal passengers rolling total for MAN. Achieved on the day that the first based B787 Dreamliner arrived, an aircraft which may have particular significance for the airport's global route network.

Yes, we have been here before, both going up and going down. The all- time high of 22.whatever million it was doesn't look so far off again.

[VickersVicount]

FlyNonStop will be lucky to be launching routes after their recent cull

[LAX_LHR]

FlyNonStop will be lucky to be launching routes after their recent cull


I wish them luck.

Scandinavia-MAN seems to be a strong market now. 11 destinations, over 90 weekly one way flights and 7 operators (8 if you count Hermes Airlines and their GOT stop en-route to which tickets can be booked).

[steve platt]

The AN124 has made a few tech stops en-route in the past at MAN, at one stage there was even talk of making it a regular stop off point.

Hi world_rep..... long time:)

As per ure quote above there was at 1 point talk of these being regular and i have no idea why it never happened as everything was in place. Dont think the costs were anymore than PIK or SNN would charge.

Steve

[nick b]

With the 75th anniversary of MAN fast approaching, is anyone aware of any equipment changes on the day itself to celebrate the occasion. BA did this at NCL in 2010 by putting a 744 on one of the LHR rotations.

Many Thanks.

[Mr A Tis]

With the 75th anniversary of MAN fast approaching, is anyone aware of any equipment changes on the day itself to celebrate the occasion. BA did this at NCL in 2010 by putting a 744 on one of the LHR rotations.


It would be great if MA could request airlines that have retro colour schemes in their fleets, that they could be worked into a Manchester rotation on that day. So you could see some great KLM, Air France, SAS, Luftie schemes in one day. Although I wouldn't hold your breath. Its about time BA had a shorthaul in BEA colours & a longhaul in BOAC colours !

[doublesix]

Hi Gents/Ladies

Last Friday afternoon, 31st May,I thought I saw from a distance parked on the cargo ramp, a Russian?? aircraft. Looked similar in size to a 767, had winglets and looked predominantly white with blue cheatlines running up the tail. Looked to be twin engined.Was I seeing things? Also did a Lufthansa A330/340 arrive soon after 3pm. Only got a quick glimpse through the trees as I was driving. Thanks.

[ManofMan]

The Russian was an American :-) SX-RFA, a 757, the Lufty was a A340 for Air Livery...HTH

[Ringwayman]

Terminal passengers numbers up 10.5% in May to 1.89 million with movements only up by 0.8%.

Moving annual total = 20.04 million or up 4.5%

They say they are 2 months ahead of schedule for hitting the 20 million mark; whilst these results are being achieved, it is hard to see how any amount of lobbying will result in APD being reduced/scrapped

Even the freight tonnage increased by 1.3%.

[j636]

You forgot to include tansit numbers which take May figures to 1.90 million.

[Ringwayman]

Didn't forget them, just chose to ignore them as the amount of transit traffic is, at the moment, inconsequential

[North West]

The APD 'holiday' proposal isn't specific to MAN. The transport select committee made a recommendation that the govt should consider a APD holiday of 12 months for new routes outside the South East. MAG as you would expect has started to lobby to get the recommendation implemented, but you can imagine the uproar in the neighbouring cities if something was implemented for MAN only !

30. There are complex issues and vested interests to be taken into account in any consideration of the merits of differential rates of Air Passenger Duty. We recommend that the Government carry out an objective analysis of the impacts such a policy might have. On the other hand, we see merit in the concept of an APD holiday and recommend that this be introduced for a 12-month trial period for new services operating out of airports outside the south east. After this time, the DfT should assess the extent to which it has led to the development of new routes. (Paragraph 106)

[LAX_LHR]

Aer Lingus/Aer Lingus regional have increased MAN from 5 to 6 daily for the winter.

Table for EI/EIr at MAN now as follows (arr MAN/Dep MAN)

Dublin:
0735/0800 A320
1010/1035 ATR72
1225/1255 A320
1455/1525 A320 (does not op Saturdays)
1750/1815 ATR72
1930/2000 A320

Overall DUB-MAN is 41 weekly, up from 25 weekly last winter but only up 6 weekly on this summer.

Shannon:
0830/0910 ATR72
2045/2115 ATR72 (does not op on Saturdays)

Overall 13 weekly, no change.

Cork:
0845/0915 ATR72
2030/2055 ATR72

Overall 14 weekly no change

In the same style as OP on the BHX forum, Ryanair is 24 weekly on MAN-DUB this winter, so overall there are now 65 weekly flights each way.

[doublesix]

Thanks M.O.M

[LAX_LHR]

Longhaul S14:

Just a quick look at the schedules for next year sees the following:

Virgin Atlantic:
Back to 2xB744 for the summer. Should see a small increase of seats compared to this summer and the return of upper class on the morning Orlando.

Thomas Cook:
Orlando International up to 6 weekly (daily ex Mondays)
Las Vegas 3 weekly (Wed, Fri and Sun)

Punta Cana, Montego Bay, Cancun, Barbados, Antigua and St. Lucia are not loaded at this time.

[airhumberside]

Not checked the others but Thomas Cook are selling holidays to Barbados for Summer 2014 from MAN using TCX

[LAX_LHR]

Thanks airhumberside.

Cant see them in GDS at the moment, so, gone the 'old fashioned way' and looked on the holidays site:

Orlando: Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun
Las Vegas: Wed, Fri and Sun
Barbados: Thu
Cancun: Tue, Wed, Fri and Sun
Punta Cana: Sat
Montego Bay: Mon
Cayo Coco: Wed
Varadero: Fri
Holguin: Mon

[116d]

I flew with Brussels Airlines MAN-BRU in April out of Terminal 3 but I've noticed when I looked on MAN's website yesterday they've now moved to Terminal 1.

When did this take place?

[LAX_LHR]

They moved on May 13th to be amongst the other Star Alliance carriers.

[Bagso]

I agree Ringwayman. That said if they were savvy enough they could spin a yarn about a complete fall off in new long haul. As an aside if they are trying to generate support for China services could they not garner more general support for other services. We need more ambassadors who are known opinion makers. ...to support expansion and up the profile.

[Mr A Tis]

Police called to Manchester airport to calm furious travellers who were forced to wait TWO HOURS for their luggage | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2339377/Police-called-Manchester-airport-calm-furious-travellers-forced-wait-TWO-HOURS-luggage.html)

Considering how much these airlines can charge for bags, you would expect there to be adequate provision to deliver them.

[j636]

I fly from MAN around 20 times per year and have yet to be on a flight that departs on time.

The ground handling companies are either very understaffed or slow and lazy. No disrespect but something has to change, worst airport in the world for handling IMO.

What happened on Friday could happen anytime in MAN and for an airport that handles around 20 million passengers per year and they are unable to handle 4 flights in the summer season.

Then again with cheapish charges and all service levels do suffer.

[BTNH]

Why not try speaking to the airline??? Manchester airport is providing only the "hardware"!! The rest is down to the airline( handling agent).

[RoyHudd]

Push-back and taxying are awful at MAN, esp for T1 and sometimes T2 pilots. The logjams are awful, and as for crossing 23R/05L, well no blinking good at all.

Not ATC's fault, they try their best. But who in hell designed this airport?

[Suzeman]

Update on the baggage incident

Baggage firm could face action over two-hour delay at Manchester Airport - Manchester Evening News (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/baggage-firm-could-face-action-4291333)

About time the handling companies got fined for c*ap performance. But where does that money go.....

Trouble is everyone thinks it is the airport's fault when it isn't.

But who in hell designed this airport?

Considering all the site and other planning and operational constraints, MAN has done a good job of expanding and trying to fit a quart into a pint pot. Far from ideal I agree. What's the problem with crossing 23R /05L?

[cjhants]

Menzies have accepted that it was their fault, and they are obviously going to take some flak, and will probably have take some sort of financial penalty.
The Airlines involved will say "It`s not our fault, blame the handler", as will the Airport operator,but the Airlines have been driving the handling fees downward for the last 15 years, wanting better service on very thin margins for the handler.

At some point the Airlines and the Airport operators are going to have to accept that unless they are willing to pay a fair price for their outsourced operations, this sort of problem will become more frequent.

I was subject to a similar delay at 12.30am last summer at LGW. Gatwick Airport were quick to squarely lay the blame at the feet of the handler on their public address announcements in the baggage hall. Let`s give the staff, who obviously worked hard with short numbers, some credit here, as well as Menzies senior Management who have at least accepted most of the blame.

[750XL]

Those who work at MAN or in the ground handling industry will know what it's like these days, and I think it's totally unfair to call the staff 'lazy'.

For MAN at least, over the past 18 months there has been HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of staff laid off from the 3 main handling agents, despite the fact flights and passenger numbers have increased :ugh:

Airlines are penny pinching and subsequently paying peanuts for their ground handling. I'm sorry, but no sympathy what-so-ever. If you as an airline are willing to give your business to a handling agent, who undercuts the others by 25%-40% then what the hell do you expect :ugh:

Staff are being worked to the brink of death, not because they want to help out the companies or airlines, but because they don't want to leave their colleagues in the ****.

Something has to change but it wont...

[CabinCrewe]

"who undercuts the others by 25%-40% then what the hell do you expect"
Probably the ridiculous promises that the handling companies still promote....
As an airline being offered a stated and contractual level of service at a reduced price why would you not take it ?

[750XL]

Because you value customer service? :hmm:

[Skipness One Echo]

There has a phenomenal race to the bottom in terms and conditions in ground handling meaning meaning that motivated and able staff won't stay as the conditions are awful. BA and Midland used to self handle with staff who bought into the brand and had some judgement and latitude. Nowadays the market is so competitive that they simply dress third parties up in uniforms, pay them peanuts and don't allow them to stray one inch from their SLAs. Like cabin crew, it was a career choice for many, however newcomers to market without these legacy costs meant this was uncompetitive. Result everything outsourced, able and loyal people left and well you can see the results as Menzies, Servisair, Swissport and DNATA prostitute themselves ever lower.

[750XL]

There has a phenomenal race to the bottom in terms and conditions in ground handling meaning meaning that motivated and able staff won't stay as the conditions are awful. BA and Midland used to self handle with staff who bought into the brand and had some judgement and latitude. Nowadays the market is so competitive that they simply dress third parties up in uniforms, pay them peanuts and don't allow them to stray one inch from their SLAs. Like cabin crew, it was a career choice for many, however newcomers to market without these legacy costs meant this was uncompetitive. Result everything outsourced, able and loyal people left and well you can see the results as Menzies, Servisair, Swissport and DNATA prostitute themselves ever lower.

The staff at handling agents themselves are excellent, everyone I work with are highly professional and very capable of their roles. However, as you stated, the handling agents and airlines hold them back.

No appreciation is given from the airline or handling agent to the staff, and the only time you'll be called into the office is when you've f#cked up.

This type of management just further reduces the levels of customer service given. Why would I push the boat out and try to accept a late pax when the only thing I'm letting myself in for is a bollocking when the flight pushes a minute or two late?

[pwalhx]

The people truly responsible for this are us, the passenger. People have become accustomed to low cost prices however fail to realise that they are only sustainable with low cost services. But we won't accept a lesser service because we now live in a world where we want everything for nothing.

It isnt going to change and situations like this will continue to happen, because the airline wont pay more as it increased what they have to charge the customer and we dont want to pay more.

As you sow so shall you reap as they say.

[LAX_LHR]

Just had a quick look at the winter 13 schedules.
No drastic changes, but, changes are below, you never know, someone may be interested:

Lufthansa:

Frankfurt has A321 scheduled on the night stopper and early evening flights. A320 on the other 2 flights.
Munich has A320 scheduled on early evening flight instead of A319
Hamburg sees Germanwings take over the route, in just name only though as CRJ900 still used.

SAS:

Stockholm sees Blue1 operate the route on the B717 instead of SAS B737 series. Into the summer schedule, Blue1 continues to operate the morning flight, but SAS B737-700 scheduled on evening flight.

Flynonstop:

Still down to operate 2 weekly Kristiansand on Mon and Fri with E190 aircraft.

Air France:

A321 scheduled on afternoon and evening flights. A321 used quite extensively to MAN so nothing new really, however last winter saw A320 scheduled on all flights whereas A321 scheduled from the offset this winter.

TAP:

Decrease from their 10 weekly summer schedule, but, are at daily which is a higher frequency than last winter. Schedules seem to be quite erratic with A319/A320/A321 on different days from week to week. No F100 planned which is also an increase on last winter.

Aer Lingus:

Now at 6 daily, with A320 on 4 rotations, ATR72 on 2 rotations. Increase of 1 daily compared to summer, but, increase of up to 3 daily compared to last winter.

British Airways:

Heathrow is 11 daily Mon-Fri, with a fair number of A321 scheduled (default for MAN is usually A319/A320 combo and A321 used when loads permit)

[LAX_LHR]

Its looking like the B767-300 is staying on the Chicago route for the winter.

It was originally due to run until 27th October, then last week it was changed until 14th November, and yesterday was changed to 22nd November, so seems like each week in winter is being loaded as each week in summer passes.

[Skipness One Echo]

Makes sense, the days of the transatlantic B757s are now numbered at AA. I think MAN-JFK may be the last one.

[Jamie2k9]

Makes sense, the days of the B757 are now numbered at AA.

The 767's are on their last few years with AA, the 787 are to replace most of them.

[Sholto Douglas]

According to the Ops pages of MAGWorld the new tower will, subject to no LVP procedures being in place, become operational on 27th June at 0200 with a seamless transfer.

[LAX_LHR]

After many saying it would never use MAN again due to airfield issues, the Antonov AN225 will make an appearance again on 24th June to collect some equipment.

[StoneyBridge Radar]

Its looking like the B767-300 is staying on the Chicago route for the winter.

It was originally due to run until 27th October, then last week it was changed until 14th November, and yesterday was changed to 22nd November, so seems like each week in winter is being loaded as each week in summer passes.

Since the change from a B757 to the B763 on the ORD-MAN run, the B757 in AA's colours is at ORD no more, save for a couple of domestic runs.

[Seljuk22]

Anyone in the know if EK will introduce a 4th daily flight or/and 2nd daily A380 someday in the near future?

Heard nothing new except rumours (which last some months/years now).

[LAX_LHR]

It seems that EK have decided against a 2nd A380 (EK19/20) for the time-being, as it was due to start Nov 1st, but, nothing announced and also the frame seems to have been allocated to BKK instead.

[doublesix]

Is the aircraft still coming into MAN on the 24th June and if so is there a time of arrival? Thanks.

[AircraftOperations]

This suggests so, plus timings:

Manchester Airport Movements - Plane Mad (http://www.plane-mad.com/movements/manchester-airport/)

[LAX_LHR]

Delta will return the Atlanta route back to a B767-300 for the winter season, and the A330-200 will re-appear from 30th March 2014.

[DavidWoodward]

I hear Manchester is closed at the moment. Aircraft are being held and two FR flights have already diverted to LPL. Any news on what the cause is? One rumour is that there was an engine failure on an Airbus during takeoff but has not been confirmed.

[LAX_LHR]

TCX A330 had an uncontained engine failure by all accounts.

Aircraft either holding, diverting or using 23L for landing.

On an unrelated note, seems Thomson have pressed the B787 into service from MAN, as a TOM flight from PMI is operated by G-TUIB.

[hammerb32]

Apologies if this is a naive question but at this time of day couldn't the 2nd runway deal with all of the traffic?

[doublesix]

I work at man and heard the aircraft accelerate for take off, followed by a loud bang. Following ryanair did a missed approach, tcx aircraft surrounded by fire vehicles.

[LAX_LHR]

Apologies if this is a naive question but at this time of day couldn't the
2nd runway deal with all of the traffic?


23L was being used, but due to no parallel taxiway, aircraft had to backtrack on the runway and thus causes delays. Those without enough fuel (3 Ryanair B737 and 1 TCX B767) had to divert, but, most traffic got into MAN.

[Zippy Monster]

Apologies if this is a naive question but at this time of day couldn't the 2nd runway deal with all of the traffic?

It's not just the backtracking the parallel runway that causes issues here. If the problem aircraft was surrounded by airport fire vehicles as indicated above, then the airport's fire cover may be degraded to an extent that other operations cannot continue until they are available again. It doesn't matter how many runways you have - if all the fire services are busy, there will be no take-offs or landings.

[LAX_LHR]

It's not just the backtracking the parallel runway that causes issues here.
If the problem aircraft was surrounded by airport fire vehicles as indicated
above, then the airport's fire cover may be degraded to an extent that other
operations cannot continue until they are available again. It doesn't matter how many runways you have - if all the fire services are busy, there will be no take-offs or landings


What you say is true, but the issue today for why the 4 aircraft diverted was purely down to landing delays due to backtracking. Therefore there must have been adequate fire cover to continue 'normal' operations (normal in the sense than no aircraft were refused due to no fire cover)

[Zippy Monster]

Fair enough. I don't operate to MAN but use it regularly as passenger - am I right in thinking runway 2 has its own fire station? If so, presumably a suitable level of cover was able to be maintained.

[LAX_LHR]

Fair enough. I don't operate to MAN but use it regularly as passenger - am I
right in thinking runway 2 has its own fire station? If so, presumably a
suitable level of cover was able to be maintained.


Yes I think that the 23L fire station is permanently manned outside A380 operating times now, as flight crews have the option to complete a visual approach to 23L if 23R is blocked, and only if more than 4km out at time of request (I think that's how I read it anyway)

[AP1995]

Where did the 3 Ryanair's & Thomas Cook divert to?

[PhilW1981]

1 of the FR went to LPL, not sure about the others but presume the FR all went their as it is a large ish base.

[VickersVicount]

Wasn't TOM 787 always planned to operate some short haul , rather than being "Pressed into action" ?

[rkenyon]

Squeaky bum time...

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/517782-nice-reject-take-off-manchester.html

[TURIN]

TCX A330 had an uncontained engine failure by all accounts.


Looks well contained to me. Surge perhaps?

[LN-KGL]

A surge don't leave debris on the runway

[TURIN]

Depends on the surge. Bits can get spat out of the front/back of the engine. Still contained though.
Anyway, has it been confirmed that there was engine debris on the runway? Could have been tyre.


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[papa oscar]

Apparently it was a loaders PDA that was left in the engine cowl!! Oooppss!

[Excelsbest]

On the departures this morning is flight JJ 8001 any 1 know what this would be doing at MAN

[TURIN]

Papa oscar, are you sure you're not getting mixed up with a recent event at LHR?


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[LAX_LHR]

The TAM flight was just a system test. The airport has a habit of using exotic airlines and routes to test its boards (QF to Sydney being their most popular)

Laurie Berryman talking about the 2nd A380 into MAN and being 'only a matter of time' in the MEN.

Also interesting is that over 1 million kg of cargo is also carried every month at MAN so surely a 2nd A380 would mean a cargo flight too, running out of other B777's in the UK to ship the cargo to.....

[papa oscar]

TURIN, No, that was the engine cowls being left loose by engineering and not spotted on the walk round.

[LAX_LHR]

Papa Oscar

There was another incident involving a BA A320 to Bucharest where the loaders PDA was to blame. Cant remember off the top of my head when this occurred though.

[spannersatcx]

scanner in engine (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2344922/BA-hit-1m-repair-bungling-workers-luggage-scanner-sucked-engine-airliner-Heathrow.html)

[THEGRAFTER]

This was in the coming,menzies laid so many people off,reduced the night shift to two or three crews..three men teams no wonder its pants..men do 8 hour shifts no breaks.mr geddes should hold his head in shame..it will happen again.They got rid of skilled people and replaced them with partime staff,whos white passes had run out,menzies managment is à joke..dont blame the baggage lads blame their bosses . ...

[THEGRAFTER]

This was in the coming,menzies laid so many people off,reduced the night shift to two or three crews..three men teams no wonder its pants..men do 8 hour shifts no breaks.mr geddes should hold his head in shame..it will happen again.They got rid of skilled people and replaced them with partime staff,whos white passes had run out,menzies managment is à joke..dont blame the baggage lads blame their bosses . ...

[TURIN]

Bucharest was the one I was thinking about. Not LHR. My mistake.



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[mytravela330]

I worked for Menzies 6 years ago, seems nothing has changed. Nights only had one team of 3, so we use to stay behind and help do a couple of Jet2 and BMIBabys. One thing i dont agree with when running a company at an airport, is having part-time staff. Most of the men and women that worked at Menzies when i was there have either left or gone to work at another handling agent!!!:bored:

[BluffOldSeaDog]

It's my understanding that at least one airline has Menzies on notice

[The96er]

I'm also led to believe that Menzies are on a final warning from Easyjet and Flybe have demanded an urgent meeting regarding the near crisis levels of manpower at MAN. The airport themselves are non too pleased especially regarding recent events in the local press.

[750XL]

The whole airport appears to be having a handling agent crisis at the moment!

Hundreds (dare I say thousands?) of skilled workers have left the airport in recent years, a lot of them replaced by part time, temp, unskilled staff. There's been a lot of shuffling around by airlines heading to cheaper handling agents, and subsequently receiving a frankly crap service. Those gaining the contracts aren't taking any staff on to keep costs down and keep their heads above water, which leaves them massively understaffed for the flights they have.

Those who have lost contracts have had to axe a large proportion of the workforce to remain afloat, once again, leaving them understaffed :sad:

Those of you who fly into MAN (as pax or crew) will have noticed this, especially with the implementation of Safedock recently. Have a look (or a laugh) at the Flybe rush hour and see how many are holding on taxiways waiting for dispatchers to Safedock them onto stand...

Don't blame the guys on the ground, we're all trying our damn hardest, not much you can do with massively top heavy companies...

[MAN777]

Jet Airways eyes global footprint via Abu Dhabi - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site (http://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/Jet-Airways-eyes-global-footprint-via-Abu-Dhabi/articleshow/19642581.cms)

[MKY661]

I've heard Norwegian Air Shuttle have been doing well at LGW, especially on the competetive routes, so do you think that in the Future do you reckon they will open a base here in MAN? They definitely have the potential to do well and they do seem quite interested flying from MAN. :)

Jet Airways eyes global footprint via Abu Dhabi - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site

Sounds very interesting. Would be nice to see Jet Airways here in MAN. :)

[Betablockeruk]

Seems part of the Jet Airways statement is already happening.

India's Jet Airways files for Amsterdam slots - ch-aviation.ch (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/news/20064-indias-jet-airways-files-for-amsterdam-slots)

I guess we're next then.

[chinapattern]

Could someone explain the benefits of Jet flying MAN-DEL/BOM via AUH when they could just fly direct? Going MAN-AUH-BOM and then for example COK would be pointless (unless the price was right) when you could fly MAN-DXB/DOH/AUH-COK without the need to transit through India.

[airhumberside]

I think Jet plan to link smaller Indian airports to AUH with B737's and offer connections through there

[SWBKCB]

Could someone explain the benefits of Jet flying MAN-DEL/BOM via AUH when they could just fly direct? Going MAN-AUH-BOM and then for example COK would be pointless (unless the price was right) when you could fly MAN-DXB/DOH/AUH-COK without the need to transit through India.

This isn't what the article says - it states:

According to the plan, Jet will kick-start this expansion by operating its wide-body aircraft like the Boeing 777 and Airbus A-330 from Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai (in first phase) and Hyderabad, Cochin and Trivandrum (in second phase) to Abu Dhabi. Replicating its 'scissor' operation of Brussels on a much larger scale, these aircraft will then fly onwards to US cities like San Francisco, Washington, New York, Newark and Chicago. After a quick turnaround, these aircraft will then fly to the Indian metros via Abu Dhabi.

and

In addition to the flights via Abu Dhabi, Jet has sought more flying points in Europe like Paris, Zurich, Dusseldorf, Berlin, Amsterdam, Manchester, Copenhagen and Barcelona to India. The airline expects a substantial passenger load on these flights to be of passengers flying between Europe and its other destination in Southeast Asia and China where it plans to restart operations to Shanghai.

So two seperate elements of the plan - hubbing via AUH AND more direct Europe-India flights.

[Bagso]

Easy way of adding a 3rd daily flight into the Etihad hub , already topped up with passengers in a ready market.

[PhilW1981]

It sounds like a way of circumventing the ludicrous protectionist controls placed on gulf carriers by the Indian government, very clever by Etihad as by using an Indian carrier to feed their hub they can get more from the bilaterals.

[j636]

easyjet add weekly Lyon service from 14 December.

[Planeaddict]

A few hours spent at MAN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYAltMICSoI

It is a bit shaky and the quality isn't great but stabilising it would ruin it I assume.

[TURIN]

Wrong forum chief. Try The Spotters Corner.


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[spottilludrop]

Yyyyaaaaawwwwnnnn ..yet another mind boggling boring clip ...why do people post this dross?

[Suzeman]

Yyyyaaaaawwwwnnnn ..yet another mind boggling boring clip ...why do people post this dross?

Possibly because these people spottilludrop? :ooh:

BHX people's personal arguments for elsewhere please and spottery stuff for Spotters Corner or what ever it is called as TURIN noted.:ok:

[MKY661]

Planeaddict, Nice vid, but please put your Videos in this thread from now on :) :ok::
http://www.pprune.org/spectators-balcony-spotters-corner/493259-manchester-airport-spotting.html

[LAX_LHR]

Couple of football charters which have appeared on the systems:

Garuda Indonesia A330-300

GA901 arrives 1500 on 16th, departs as GA900 at 1700
GA901 arrives 0740 on 29th, departs as GA900 at 0940

For Liverpool FC games in Jakarta and Melbourne

AtlasAir charter B747-400 (said to be N322SG again elsewhere)

5Y2856 arrives 2200 on 8th, departs as 5Y2857 on 9th at 1400
5Y2862 arrives 0450 on 29th, departs as 5Y2863 on 30th at 2000

For Manchester United in Thailand and China

HiFly charter A340-600 (9H-SEA)

5K732P arrives at 1700 on 10th, departs as 5K732 at 2100
5K761 arrives at 0450 on 27th, departs as 5K771 at 1525.

For Manchester City in Africa and Hong Kong.

Also, the annual student charters from Alitalia have begun and will continue for the next few weeks, the Antanov 124 will be making frequent visits over the next 5 weeks at least, and some easyjet news apparently due next month.

[j636]

Notice that MAN-ATL is 5 weekly for winter with Delta, is that a reduction over last year?

[Betablockeruk]

W12 DL64/65 was 5 weekly using a 763. Might be a slight increase if 332 retained on route (but I need another coffee to work that out)

[LAX_LHR]

B767 returns to MAN-ATL for the winter, A330-200 back from 1st April.

This winter's capacity is exactly the same as last winter.

For the American Carriers, its seems this winter is near enough exactly the same as last winter:

MAN-ATL 5 weekly B767 (as W12)
MAN-IAD 4 weekly B757 (as W12)
MAN-EWR 7 weekly B757 (as W12)
MAN-ORD 7 weekly (was 6 weekly W12 and B767 still expected to be used)
MAN-JFK 7 weekly B757 (as W12)
MAN-PHL 7 weekly A332 (was A333 W12)

Until the B767 for ORD is confirmed, it is a slight reduction of seats this winter compared to last, but, hopefully the ORD should be confirmed soon thus giving a slight increase of seats.

[chaps2011]

LAX
How is the ORD service a reduction in seats when an extra flight and operated by
B757 same as last winter?

Chaps

[LAX_LHR]

Chaps

Its because the extra weekly AA B757 brings in 352 seats per week, but, the downgrade of the US A330 looses 532 weekly seats, so, 180 seats less per week than last winter.

[chaps2011]

Sorry LAX thought you meant ORD only

Chaps

[brian_dromey]

I see EC-ISY (a 757) is parked at T1 this evening. Is it opening a charter or a sub-in for someone? Livery looks more private jet than wet-lease operator though.

[GrahamK]

Privilege Airlines, sub for someone presumably

[JonnyH]

It's operating some flights for Jet2.

Don't know why and don't know how long for but it has made a few flights for them in the last few days.

[OltonPete]

http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/manweb.nsf/alldocs/B7499432988C8D9E80257BA5003EEED2/$File/June+13.pdf

ATM's up and Freight but only just.

I am bit surprised at this with so many airports reporting record June figures I just got this idea Manchester would be pushing a double digit increase with the extra easyjet and Ryanair based aircraft although it is clear that domestic and IT dragged it down.


Pete

Manchester Airport : Traffic Statistics (http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/manweb.nsf/Content/TrafficStatisticsArchive)

[BHX5DME]

June 2013 was almost exactly the same as June 2008 pax wise

Their record June was 2,287,215 in 2006

[LAX_LHR]

I am bit surprised at this with so many airports reporting record June figures I just got this idea Manchester would be pushing a double digit increase with the extra easyjet and Ryanair based aircraft although it is clear that domestic and IT dragged it down.


Don't forget its all about size and perception. A 3.8% at MAN is equal to a much larger increase at a smaller airport, and in some cases, a 3.8% increase when you are at a +20 million level is much more than a 10% increase at a -4 million airport.

[KUEFC09]

United airlines flight 101 to washington cancelled yet again, getting bit worried about this now as i fly this route in October and notice this is the second flight to be cancelled in the space of 2 weeks, does anyone know what the loads are like for this flight? could this be the reason for cancellations?.

[chaps2011]

I think due bad weather once again as there are a lot of bad storms in eastern states

Chaps

[StoneyBridge Radar]

Bad weather, crew in right place, aircraft in wrong place...

:mad: happens, unfortunately.

[KUEFC09]

Thanks guys, just a little paranoid.

[spider_man]

I've heard Norwegian Air Shuttle have been doing well at LGW, especially on the competetive routes, so do you think that in the Future do you reckon they will open a base here in MAN

Strong rumours of a NAS B737 base coming to MAN. I also heard LGW is going from 3 based a/c in S13 to 8 for S14.

[All names taken]

Re UA100 / 101

I've done this trip three times in 2013 in Business First so I can't comment on the back end but I have to say I have been surprised at the number of people in C Class.
The lowest number of empty seats on my trips has been 3 - at the back of the C cabin, think there's an issue with lie flat on some of these, but not sure.
Also surprised at how most of these C pax seem to be Americans rather than Brits - judging by accents alone of course.

[LAX_LHR]

United airlines flight 101 to washington cancelled yet again, getting bit
worried about this now as i fly this route in October and notice this is the
second flight to be cancelled in the space of 2 weeks, does anyone know what the
loads are like for this flight? could this be the reason for cancellations?.



Hi KEUFC

The UA100 was cancelled but a re-scheduled UA1748 is due from IAD into MAN at 23:30. Can be tracked on FR24 and is not long off the N.I coast.

[BasilBush]

Re UA100/101

It's best not to read too much into the fact that the premium cabin is often full on US carriers. Frequent fliers get a bunch of free upgrade certificates, so they get to travel in Business even if they've bought an Economy ticket. This is particularly the case for US domestic flights ( where the premium cabins are always full in my experience, generally due to upgrades), but it also applies to transatlantics, where UA Mileage Plus members can use Global Premier Upgrades (GPUs) or Systemwide Upgrades (SWUs).

So a full J cabin on our UA (or indeed AA etc) services isn't necessarily an indication of good yields.

This would also explain why you've noticed a lot of Americans in the J cabin - they're the ones most likely to be using upgrade certificates.

[Mouser]

Quoted on NAS thread : Rumour has it the two main North West airports are battling it out for that next 2nd UK base...

[airadio]

its already been Decided and its not LJLA DAMN

[j636]

How many will FR have based for winter, will it be 6 or just 4?

[MARK9263]

And the winner is?

[Mouser]

airadio' ok if its not Liverpool please tell who it is, and your info is from?

[airadio]

Mouser I would love it to be LJLA but they have one route which is subsidised and in dire trouble down to twice weekly in October .
Would you base aircraft here in that situation I think not,all will be revealed with the base anouncement .;)

[mytravela330]

Its just the same as KLM, they had high hopes for LJLA starting with 737s, then down to F100 and then F75, and then finaly died.....

[Heathrow Harry]

Liverpool just isn't a major destination - not much high end industry, very limited tourism

Really its just a bucket & spade airport for Merseysiders to go to the sun

[chaps2011]

Heathrow Harry careful what you say as Liverpool guys take no prisoners lol!
I thought KLM was always a Fokker 70 anyway

Chaps

[rutankrd]

Heathrow Harry !

Even as a Mancunian living in exile (Northolt outer marker within a few yards of front door!) that is utter rubbish !

Liverpool retains substantial Auto manufacturing and Runcorn petrochemicals industries are 15 minutes from LPL.
Inward Tourism is among the highest in the UK (4th for International Visitors!)

;)

Major attractions Beatles and Docks and some leading Arts Galleries and Museums.

[cumbrianboy]

I have no hard evidence to back this up, but anecdotally I'm fairly sure Liverpool has a much higher international recognition and appeal than manchester, certainly in places like the USA and China. Doesn't Liverpool have the oldest Chinese population in Europe?

As someone said 4th most visited city, only surprise is its not 2nd or 3rd ...

The problem is not that Liverpool doesn't have the market it's just Manchester has the first mover advantage ...

[Cleared For A Coffee]

Heathrow Harry, words fail me! Had to laugh...

[750XL]

FR 3 based a/c for winter

[chaps2011]

Manchester does actually have a much larger incoming tourism market than
Liverpool.
Rutankrd I most have swapped with you as I was born in just about the same
place as you live

Chaps

[MANLEJ]

I saw today's 787 flight from Cancun was on a hold over merseyside earlier, but it then seemed to look as though it had diverted to Gatwick, and is now showing as arriving in MAN at 1143 roughly. Anyone know why it would divert when it was so close to MAN anyway?

[chaps2011]

Still operating on a min 550m probably because not enough hours accrued yet
either crews or TOM

Chaps

[Suzeman]

Liverpool just isn't a major destination - not much high end industry, very limited tourism

Really its just a bucket & spade airport for Merseysiders to go to the sun

Typical blinkered approach from south of Watford. Stick to something you know about 'arry

Most Popular UK Cities - London and Edinburgh Most Popular UK Cities (http://gouk.about.com/od/getawaysandshorthops/ss/top20.htm)

[seahawks]

Ref 899. Very foggy this morning, RVR down to 175m at times. An inbound TOM 738 from Tenerife diverted to Liverpool in the small hours.

[Heathrow Harry]

"Typical blinkered approach from south of Watford. Stick to something you know about 'arry"

but they don't come by air................... that is the point - if they go it's part of a tour

[airadio]

wow LJLA is doing fab over four and a half million paps outbound inbounds empty:(

[BasilBush]

CAA statistics show that Liverpool has a slightly higher proportion of non-UK residents than MAN. Data for 2010 (most recent survey covering both airports) shows that 20.8% of LPL's pax were non-UK residents, compared with 18.0% at MAN.

[All names taken]

A rather meaningless statistic though.

MAN: 20mppa x 18% = 3.6m non UK residents

LPL only handles 4.5mppa total, 20% of which is 900k

[LAX_LHR]

All names taken, The figures will have to take into account the 2010 pax figures but still the point you make remains valid.

However, the latest pax figures point to another thing, whilst they are the latest available figures from the CAA, they are already 3 years out of date, a lot of things have changed, such as MAN growing, LPL shrinking, the economy gaining a little and many new routes to bring in more overseas pax to MAN, such as Egyptair, TAP and the very Norwegian Air Shuttle currently being discussed (and I mention NAX not only for that, but a case point given the primary current market ex MAN (and LPL) for them is Scandinavia-UK).

[Mr A Tis]

Guys, this is a Manchester thread. Can you discuss Liverpool statistics on the Liverpool thread. On both threads can we desist from a MAN v LPL pointless discussions. Thanks.:= Stick to route & airport news.

[LAX_LHR]

On both threads can we desist from a MAN v LPL pointless discussions


Well LPL v MAN cannot be helped as it goes pretty much all the way to the top. From MAN stating 'it wants its passengers back' to LPL stating about NAX 'we can do it better than MAN', it seems the topic is hard to escape.

Also, when you have 2 airports very close together vying for similar flights, it would be very naïve not to expect some element of one vs the other, just the way it is.

[GrahamK]

LAX_LHR, the Garuda charter you mentioned earlier for LFC is actually operating from Liverpool, A333 PK-GPA, outbound to Abu Dhabi

[AGPwallah]

It's flight GIA991 en route LPL-CGK (Jakarta), currently over North Sea headed direction Amsterdam.

AGP

[LAX_LHR]

LAX_LHR, the Garuda charter you mentioned earlier for LFC is actually
operating from Liverpool, A333 PK-GPA, outbound to Abu Dhabi


Yes the flightplan were swapped to LPL, and makes more sense given who it was carrying.

In other news, Egyptair have uploaded MAN into the winter timetable, still at 5 weekly. Still not in any GDS systems yet to book however.

[Ringwayman]

speaking of Egyptair, they seem to have averaged just under 82 passengers per flight in June.

[LAX_LHR]

speaking of Egyptair, they seem to have averaged just under 82 passengers per flight in June.


Well, considering the situation over there right now, id say average of 82 for a capacity of 142 is quite good!

[Ringwayman]

I'd say it is remarkable. I wonder how much of the traffic has been clawed away from BA/AF/KL/LH and how much is down to the previously pent-up demand for this service.

The EK juggernaut notched up another 60,000 passenger month which my abacus tells me equates to around 80% loads.

[North West]

The protests in Egypt didn't really start to gather momentum until 28/June - they had little impact on the June traffic figures.

[LAX_LHR]

Manchester finally has a link to Vienna!

Before anyone gets excited, its only a 1-off on 29th November out and 1st December back!

LS4061 MAN 0735 VIE 1110
LS5062 VIE 1720 MAN 1855

B737-800

[LAX_LHR]

The Condor base for next summer has had a slight shuffle around.

Fuerteventura moves from Tuesday to Saturday:

DE2014 departs MAN 1345
DE2015 arrives MAN 2335

Palma days are altered slightly, but so far the timings don't make much sense.

GDS has the flight departing MAN at 0600 Mon-Fri, arriving PMI at 0935. However, it is stating the return from PMI leaves PMI at 0755 arriving back at MAN 0935?

Rhodes remains on Wednesday:

DE2072 departs MAN 1345
DE2073 arrives MAN 2335

Ibiza goes on Saturday:

DE2008 departs MAN 0600
DE2009 arrives MAN 1230

Kos seems to have gone.

So, gaps on Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri and Sun evening, as well as Sun morning. The summer 2014 offering does not seem to be complete, as all of Turkey, a few Greece and some Spanish flights left to be loaded, so, there may be more flying released soon.

[VickersVicount]

..or maybe its w-patterns and not a base ?

[chaps2011]

Or maybe an aircraft change en route

Chaps

[LAX_LHR]

or maybe its w-patterns and not a base ?


The timings for the other flights suggest a base, its just the Palma ones that do not fit. It was originally intended that the aircraft would swap in Frankfurt with a MAN-KGS-FRA-KGS-MAN routing, so either the PMI flight does swap aircraft on all 5 days or the times will be changed.

[LAX_LHR]

Some positive words from Laurie Berryman (Emirates) here:


Manchester is beginning to amaze everyone. It is building itself as a strong
international airport from which people realise you can fly long-haul.



Perhaps one day, through fifth freedom flights (commercial aviation rights),
Emirates could fly Dubai to New York via Manchester? “We do hold some rights out of the regions, so I would never say never



Heathrow sits in the south of England, but Manchester has a bigger catchment area in terms of a two-hour drive.”


The interview: Laurie Berryman, Emirates | Buying Business Travel (http://buyingbusinesstravel.com/feature/1821101-interview-laurie-berryman-emirates)

[RoyHudd]

Confused man.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

It is a lovely day, Roy. Surely you have something better to do than troll the Manchester thread again?

[Suzeman]

Confused man.

Luckily, Laurie Berryman has some say over route developments at Manchester and you don't, thank goodness :ok:

Obviously been a hot day in creepy Crawley

[LAX_LHR]

Was just playing about with a cargo availability system, and threw up an interesting anomaly from October onwards:

CI5621 TPE-AUH-FRA-MAN
CI5622 MAN-TPE

Sundays using B744F. Availability was zero and obviously a return is far from confirmed, but, hopefully this is a sign that one of our long lost carriers could be about to come back (and good news for MAN's cargo in general which has been in decline for a long time now.)

---------------

Also, Etihad have now confirmed in its online schedule that an A340-600 (will be A6-EHJ) will be operating the EY21/22 flights on 15th September so that it can make an appearance at Dublin's 'Flight-fest' flypast during its layover.

[GavinC]

Does anyone know what is happening with Varadero (Cuba) flights next year? Currently possible this summer but not showing for next spring which is when i'm looking to use the flights.

Cayo Coco and Holguin are both still possible on TOM and TCX.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

By the way, is that the EY A340 painted in the F1 colours?

[j636]

By the way, is that the EY A340 painted in the F1 colours?

That's the one.

[RoyHudd]

Confused about an earlier thread. Just back from long-haul and still confused. Not important. BTW Shed, I was no more trolling here than I was trolling while communicating with MAN ATC earlier today.

Can't say anything here without being picked on, esp if it is perceived as anti-MAN. ffs guys, get a life. MAN is a faulty airport, as are many others.

[StoneyBridge Radar]

I think too many people pounce on anything poor RoyHudd says when they perceive their hallowed MAN is being criticised.

He has a point; every airport has its flaws. The problem with MAN is that it still holds on to many which should have been mended years ago. Woo hoo, a brand new tower, but the airport is still gridlocked at the most important times of day because the airport infrastructure is creaking, and where its not creaking, those infamous cracks and potholes are still being temporarily filled.

So, from an aviator's perspective, Roy is closer to the mark than many.

Laurie Berryman, however, conditions his comments to the amount of revenue an airport feeds his airline, and on that score, MAN truly seems to excel.

So let's not jump down the throat of anyone who dares to see MAN from a different perspective; the view from the flightdeck is significantly different to that from seat 21A or the Galleries lounge or the airline boardroom, and this forum was, after all, originally set up for professional aviators, so perhaps his comments are more pertinent than others.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Afraid you've rather lost me there. Is "Confused man" a deep and meaningful contribution to our discussions on here? Is it a comment "more pertinent than others" ??? What am I missing?

[RoyHudd]

Ah, never mind, Shed lad. Most contributions are not deep and meaningful on this site......neither mine nor yours.

Here's a question. Why has 2 way traffic passing the Thomas Cook hangar been put back to one? It was around for a while and seemed to work well getting a/c on stand without longish delays with engines running.

[PhilW1981]

I'm going to stick the boot in to MAN as well. I usually take EK early flight from T1 and have never had any issues with security aside from the odd grumpy security officer. I went through T1 the other day en route to Aberdeen with Flybe and the queues were simply a joke, 40 mins in a queue to go through is simply intolerable. Massively understaffed. If MAN wants to continue to attract new airlines and destinations then they must improve the customer experience.

[LAX_LHR]

I went through T1 the other day en route to Aberdeen with Flybe


Im assuming you mean T3? Flybe does not operate from T1.

Also the understaffing is an issue that will hopefully be sorted, MAN have just expanded the security zone, so lets just hope there are some staff to fill it, otherwise said extension becomes a bit useless!

[LAX_LHR]

Could Easyjet be about to re-instate Madrid?

The holiday section of easyjet website once again shows Manchester to Madrid. However, when you select a flight it just states it is unavailable. It had previously been removed completely from the easyjet site.

A way to view it is to select Madrid in the 'to' box, then the options that are given in the 'from' box are BRS/EDI/LPL/LGW/LTN/MAN.

Could be nothing but then could also be something.

[LAX_LHR]

Just having a dig in GDS for advance previews, and it appears TAP will be increasing to 12 weekly from May 1st 2014, then 14 weekly from July 1st 2014:

TP326 LIS 0745 MAN 1045 MTWTFSS A320-100/200
TP329 MAN 1120 LIS 1400 MTWTFSS A320-100/200

A321 ops on Mon and Sun

1/5/14-31/5/14

TP322 LIS 1340 MAN 1630 MT-TF-S A319
TP323 MAN 1715 LIS 1955 MT-TF-S A319

1/6/14- Onwards Wed/Sat added to TP322/323 schedule with F100.

Extra flights are not available for sale at this time as S14 schedule mirrors W13/14 schedule.

[LN-KGL]

Back to security check at T3. I went through yesterday afternoon. Only five check points open and 20+ minutes waiting time to get through. I didn't see any of the security staff smiling; the manager was very busy explaining himself to the very unsatisfied customers, sorry passengers, and he happen to hit only the sour notes.

[gazza007]

I flew to GLA 2 Fridays ago on the 16:30. No queues whatsoever in T3, in fact I got pulled as I forgot to take the liquids out as it was that quick. The bar code scan thing won't help as people don't get it & need assistance. What is needed is the blackbox conveyers to be ajacent to passengers well in advance of the scanners with instructions to remove coats belts phones, & liquids etc, IMHO this is a good idea & would stop the bottleneck when you hit the scanning staff.You would walk with your box on the roller, I guess it would be just like system they use withthe suitcases. Information screens would reguarly advise on the procedure. This mainly aimed at the not so frequent travellers as i'll bet that this the biggest frustration for us regulars. Ps I'm patenting this:)

On another note I'm frustrated & disappointed that nobody has picked up LGW, I thought it would be ideal for Flybe & the Dash.Even SE kent would be useful.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

FlyBe is pulling out of LGW completely due to the high cost of operating smaller aircraft types out of there. Any other carrier considering MAN-LGW with similar sized equipment would face the same problem, even if they could acquire runway slots at viable times. UK domestic flights are also suffering from high exposure to APD with passengers paying twice on return flights. Tax has become a very high proportion of a domestic airfare which of course is intentional, as politicians wish to be seen as sympathetic to the eco-extremist global warming agenda. Tough times for domestic air services, and part of the reason that FlyBe's new CEO has identified diversification away from UK domestic as a priority.

[WK622]

Having booked with Flybe to Edinburgh from the Isle of Man I was rerouted via Manchester's T3 when the direct service was pulled. Ten days ago I duly arrived at T3 to find that all of us had to pass through a retina scan - even those who were not moving onto another flight. Key to this process was your boarding card - with hand baggage who needs a boarding card to arrive? There was no mention of this process during the post landing blurb so I guess Flybe were as much in the dark as we were. Some boarding cards were mislaid but eventually found, while for several of us the retina scan just didn't work. But for everyone queuing during the evening peak in what was effectively just a corridor leading to an overflowing shopping mall, there was considerable irritation.

We then repeated the process when we went back down the same corridor to Gate 150, only to hear that our Dash 8 was tech, so we trooped back up for a 3 hour wait via our third scan of the day. And when we left we had No 4 followed by the standard photo id to boarding card check at the gate. So what was the point of all the scanning - the right people got on the right plane?

If Manchester and Flybe are really trying to establish some kind of domestic hub in T3 they are going to have to spend some serious money and create a proper facility. I was far from the only person on BE295 who said never again.

[The96er]

Ten days ago I duly arrived at T3 to find that all of us had to pass through a retina scan

This procedure has been mandated by the DfT, NOT the airport and is not actually a Retina scan but a facial recognition scan.

even those who were not moving onto another flight.

I assume you're referring to pax terminating at MAN !? These pax would simply leave the building so not sure why you say these people had to be scanned.

[WK622]

Re the retina scan, I only know what we were told in my bit of the queue and I certainly saw `it' not working! I'm also missing something fundamental here for why scan when everyone who flies carries photo id - you had to have a passport, etc, to get through security and onto the aircraft at Ronaldsway?

[opnot]

roy
I assume that you are talking about taxiway Q .
the problem I think, is that if there are any acft parked on stands 61 round to 63 there is not enough room for acft to use Q and with the airport using some ot the 80 stands at the top end of txy N as a car park more acft are using the 60,s to park

[Skipness One Echo]

Sorry but why do they need biometrics at T3 at all? Are they now offering international to international transfers without clearing immigration?
It's standard when flying domestic at LHR and LGW for this reason but it is a faff.

[Suzeman]

This was designed many years ago to allow two routes for aircraft to access Terminal 2 and the big cul de sac at busy times to minimize taxying delays. Obviously it required that stands (61-65?)were not in use.

As the based fleets grew up with their night stops, it was impossible to accommodate them all without using these stands and so it fell into infrequent use. Now the based fleets have reduced, but so have the number of aircraft stands, to be used for the far more lucrative car parking.

[PhilW1981]

Well T3 security was much better yesterday morning (this time I had a priority pass) but the queue was shorter in the slow queue. Very annoying.

[Navpi]

I'm not local to Manchester so may be missing something but what has happened in relation to the submission by MAG to the Davies Commission, specifically in relation to Manchester rather than "The Group" , it appears to either have not been released or placed in a "to file" tray to gather dust.

I really thought this was a golden opportunity to change thinking from the same old , same old and really put Manchester on the map but instead the opportunity to change the mind of opinion makers has been completely lost.

Since the purchase of STN the current management appear from the outside at least to have completely disowned the place.

OK Airport City is going ahead BUT it needs planes, not just buildings!

The Stansted website carries grandiose vision of a four runway system at Stansted but as for a contribution by Manchester sitting slap bang in the middle of the country with three terminals and two runways and enough capacity to handle another 20m pax a year Now !

NOTHING !

It seems even more bizarre when ;




Two prominent Manchester MPs fought a good case for Manchester
The Chairman H. Davies is from Manchester
Former MAG CEO Geoff Muirhead is also on the Commission
I believe they even came to MANCHESTER in July, the ONLY place outside Parliament to hold a hearing !

Despite all this potential momentum it seems to have stopped somewhat before the threshold of 23R !



What happened to strident demands for;

Separation in bilaterals
US pre clearance
Highlighting the impact of APD
And more importantly what about the marketing and the clear, concise placing of these issues in a prominent place so as to form a part of the overall discussion ?
You would be forgiven for thinking Manchester did not exist !

It's as though both the MPs AND the Commission handed the opportunity to MAG to say "come on this is your chance" but since purchasing STN they have contributed "diddly squat" to the debate.

I do not wish to harp back but by way of comparison can you really imagine Gil Thomson squandering such opportunities ?

OK build your multiple runways in the South East but at least then use that as makeweight for your own demands.

AND meanwhile we are now down to two bidders for Chicago, Midway !

I cannot for the life of me understand why MPs, local Government who are after all shareholders and even the airports usual mouthpiece the Manchester Evening News is not scratching their combined heads and at least not questioning the strategy.

I sincerely hope its a case of quiet diplomacy but I cannot help forming the opinion that Manchester has been abandoned in the face of a "perceived" dash for cash in the South East !

[Suzeman]

Not had a chance to read them yet, but here is the MAG submission to the Davies Commission

http://www.magworld.co.uk/magweb.nsf/AttachmentsByTitle/LongTermCapacity/$file/Long+Term+Capacity+Options.pdf

Edit This doesn't seem to want to hotlink, so go here

MAG World - Home (http://www.magworld.co.uk/magweb.nsf)

Type Davies Commission in the search box in the top RH corner and it's the document entitled long term options

And here is the transcript of the Oral evidence session featuring MAG which was held in London; the Manchester session covering the environment.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/225642/2-public-evidence-session-10-july-2013.pdf

[j636]

US pre clearance

Not enough passengers and I don't think it will ever happen even if there was lots of passengers. Which terminal would have the room for it anyway?

[Navpi]

Many thanks as ever suzeman

Stansted appears in the text 359 times

Manchester just 93.......

Not scientific BUT possibly proves a point ?

[North West]

I'm not local to Manchester so may be missing something but what has happened in relation to the submission by MAG to the Davies Commission, specifically in relation to Manchester rather than "The Group" , it appears to either have not been released or placed in a "to file" tray to gather dust.

Isn't that you Bagso ?

[MAN777]

Greater Manchester town halls share in £48m bonanza from airport's bumper year - Manchester Evening News (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchester-town-halls-share-5386964)

[LAX_LHR]

Ryanair have increased DUB-MAN to 31 weekly.

Flights will be 4 daily Mon-Thu, and 5 daily Fri-Sun.

Along with Aer Lingus increasing MAN-DUB to 5 daily, this now makes MAN-DUB 66 weekly, with 10 daily Fri-Sun. Almost as much as MAN-LHR!

[STATSMAN]

Weekend flights football football & more football

[LAX_LHR]

Fancy flying in a B747-300 from GLA-MAN and BHX-MAN?

Well, if a group of businessmen get their way (which they won't), they are aiming to start an airline called Air Kashmir and run MAN-GLA-LHE and MAN-BHX-ISB on the B747-300. The aircraft would be based at MAN.

I wouldn't hold your breath just yet though, UK international anyone..... :ok:

[750XL]

Would this be the same jokers who tried 'Pak British Airlines' a couple of months ago? Certainly seems like it to me as the routes are exactly the same as 'Pak British'!

Old news :\

[rogera]

a new scottish limited company called air kashmir international was incorporated at companies house on 3rd April 2013.......................

[davidjohnson6]

I notice that Easyjet are selling one-way Manchester to Moscow flights booked about a month in advance for between £30 and £40 one way, with a wide choice of dates from early September onwards. Looking today for 4th September (30 days ahead), you can fly for the bargain price of £28 one way. A flight in October from Moscow to Manchester can be purchased for just £20

For a 4 hour flight on a route that went on sale last year, this seems remarkably cheap - does this suggest that the route is perhaps struggling a little ?

[LAX_LHR]

For a 4 hour flight on a route that went on sale last year, this seems
remarkably cheap - does this suggest that the route is perhaps struggling a
little


Maybe time of year? Ill have to dig them out (unless someone beats me to it), but there are several quotes from Carolyn McCall and head of sales saying the route was performing above expectation, with one quote hinting the yield on MAN-DME was higher than LGW-DME.

Edited: Found some quotes:

For now, even visas don't seem to be a huge obstacle. Although
easyJet only started selling tickets for the Moscow-London route
in January and the Moscow-Manchester route in December, bookings
have already surpassed expectations

Read more: EasyJet Starts Flights to U.K. From Domodedovo | News | The Moscow Times (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/easyjet-starts-flights-to-uk-from-domodedovo/477146.html#ixzz2b6493LAv)
The Moscow Times

The second quote:

Watkins: A little bird tells me that the yields from here to Moscow are better than those being achieved in London?

Spratt: Are they? I couldn’t possibly comment on actual figures, but it does makes sense, as London to Moscow is a far more competitive market than what we face up here, where we are the only airline serving the route direct.

So not a firm yes, but not a no either, so definitely hinting that yield could have been higher (at least at one point).

30 Second Interview: easyJet Head of Sales UK, Ruth Spratt has a slice of route launch cake with anna.aero | anna.aero (http://www.anna.aero/2013/04/04/30-second-interview-easyjet-head-of-sales-uk-ruth-spratt-has-a-slice-of-route-launch-cake-with-anna-aero/)

[LAX_LHR]

Wonder if we could see any increase in traffic on the MAN-NYC routes as it has been announced the New York Yankees and Manchester City FC have joined forces to create a new Manhattan football club and stadium on pier 40.

Even if it is a few more front end seats sold for the executives, it would do, anf with EY/AA codesharing, and EY sponsoring Man City, surely AA could upgrade the AA210/211 to a larger aircraft at the very least?

[AirGuru]

Check this out, then ask yourself, can you really see this happening ? I think not, complete and utter nonsense !

A quick WHOIS search shows it registered to a certain Abdul Rahman Hanif from a residential address in Kilmarnock. Complete and utter joke surely.

Air Kashmir International (http://www.airkashmir.org/)

[rogera]

as LAX LHR commented, shades of UK International Airways !

[LAX_LHR]

Finally some good news long haul wise, Saudi Arabian are to return to MAN:

Saudi Airlines suffers from absence of competition | Arab News ? Saudi Arabia News, Middle East News, Opinion, Economy and more. (http://www.arabnews.com/news/460532)


We have new destinations like Toronto and Los Angeles and we will operate to Manchester in Britain next year

[chinapattern]

Did they have fifth freedom rights last time? Always felt that the stop in Switzerland put them at a disadvantage against the likes of EK. Hopefully they'll be able to make a direct flight work.

[LAX_LHR]

Did they have fifth freedom rights last time? Always felt that the stop in
Switzerland put them at a disadvantage against the likes of EK. Hopefully
they'll be able to make a direct flight work.


They did as due to the B777, they seemed to specifically target MAN-GVA skiers last time.

Cargo was a main driver last time, so hopefully a B777 non-stop will be used, otherwise could be the A320 via a European point again.

[chinapattern]

Cargo was a main driver last time, so hopefully a B777 non-stop will be used, otherwise could be the A320 via a European point again.

Or perhaps the A330? I believe they still have a few on order.

[AldiAl]

Don't they have 321's? Pretty sure they'd have the legs to make it up here.

Anyway, nice to see regardless of what they use! :ok:

[Heathrow Harry]

all that sand!

all that sun!!

A massive tourist trade beckons..................... :hmm::hmm:

[Ringwayman]

Woe betide MAN getting a link that's predominately business related as only LHR is allowed those in the UK :ugh:

[RoyHudd]

probably just for the Hajjj season. Not much incentive for most folk to travel between Saudi Horrabia and Manchester when all's said and done.

[Ringwayman]

Potential clients?

trade mission to Saudi Arabia (http://missionsaudiarabia-eorg.eventbrite.co.uk/)

"Energy, Chemical and Advanced Engineering". Going the way of Libyan perhaps, few passengers paying $$$?

Warton's Typhoons? (http://www.baesystems.com/our-company-rzz/our-businesses/bae-systems-saudi-arabia)

[Airfrance7]

Possibly for the same reasons why pax travel from Heathrow to Saudi Arabia :=

[seahawks]

Not Hajj related as slots applied for are from Jan 14; 777 3 weekly.

[Skipness One Echo]

Hey all, can anyone advise if Biman (the airline not the sexuality!) are still operating out to Dhaka? The airport website says no and the last few LHR departures have not called at Manchester.

Thanks!

[goldeneye]

According to an article in Travel Weekly TCX are to launch more long haul from MAN to replicate the success of sister airline DE in Germany.

[Ringwayman]

Skipness, they're not. Haven't done so for quite a while.

[LAX_LHR]

According to an article in Travel Weekly TCX are to launch more long haul
from MAN to replicate the success of sister airline DE in Germany


Looking at the article, seems they would use MAN-FRA-XXX for eastbound, but introduce more westbound from MAN:

People won’t want to fly to Canada via Frankfurt, but why not Cape Town or Bangkok

[roverman]

Yes, Saudia are coming back and this time it's 3 weekly B777 and non-stop, rather than the previous attempt which was 2 weekly and via GVA. According to my source SV feel that they need a presence at MAN in view of the number of flag carriers serving the UK's main provincial airport.

[Skipness One Echo]

According to my source SV feel that they need a presence at MAN in view of the number of flag carriers serving the UK's main provincial airport.
What's the market they're serving? The airline is really an arm of the state rather than a commercial entity, it's a QR/EY not an EK. Have they announced Jeddah or Riyadh?

[roverman]

I believe it's Jeddah. Not sure what market they're pitching at, Skip, but as you say, SV are perhaps not so much a commercial outfit as a traditional flag carrier flying the flag wherever they think it's valuable to do so. MAN can take that as a compliment. It doesn't always work out, as we have seen with Biman, but look at how many flag carriers from the Arab world have recently started or enhanced service to MAN and you can see why they are interested. Libyan, Tunisian, Egyptair, Turkish, not to mention the GB3.

[crewmeal]

Cairo – Manchester 5 weekly service is currently unavailable for reservation on/after 27OCT13.

This from Airline route. My guess not many takers for this route given the political climate. Maybe if they had operated to SSH it would have been a better option. Interesting to note that they've increased the LHR route from 11 to 13.

[LAX_LHR]

Cairo – Manchester 5 weekly service is currently unavailable for reservation
on/after 27OCT13


Its a weird one, as the Egyptair timetable shows it operating 5 weekly, but it is showing as back bookable on all platforms from 1st April onwards.

[MKY661]

Its a weird one, as the Egyptair timetable shows it operating 5 weekly, but it is showing as back bookable on all platforms from 1st April onwards.

So maybe it will become a seasonal route? :)

[LAX_LHR]

So maybe it will become a seasonal route?


Seems most likely, however on asking around it seems a few people are adamant that it will be year round, with some suggesting Egyptair have signed a full 2 year, year round contract at MAN?
The story I was told was that a tour company has brought the entre allocation of seats for the winter season, thus making the flight a 'charter' route for the winter, but, it seems a definitive answer is not forthcoming

[GrahamK]

I do hear Cairo is the new Tenerife now :E

[LAX_LHR]

I do hear Cairo is the new Tenerife now


Are you telling me the 'hustle and bustle' of Tahrir Square does not appeal to you? :ok:

[nigel osborne]

Re Egypt Air,

How are the loads holding up amongst all the chaos in Cairo at present.Pity they can't re route it to SSH for a while as things seem fine on that coast ?

Nigel

[LAX_LHR]

How are the loads holding up amongst all the chaos in Cairo at present


Loads seem to hover between 80-110, which for a 124 seat aircraft is not too bad.

[STATSMAN]

Transfer passengers to other middle eastern cities. Business and VFR traffic.

[MAN777]

I'm using the flight at the end of the month, business class with a 2 hr transfer to Amman. Price and timings were very good. No other airline came close. I will report back:)

[nigel osborne]

LAX-LHR

Yes thats a pretty good load especially in the current climate there.

Nigel

[OltonPete]

Nigel

June - 3597 pax per the CAA on MAN-CAI

Planespotters.net show two configs for the 738 16/144 or 24/120.

June shows 44 rotations = 82 pax per flight.

Load factor 57% at best.

All things considered an amazing load factor.

Pete

[StoneyBridge Radar]

57% at worst

68% at best, unless my ancient maths is on the blink. :uhoh:

[OltonPete]

SBR

PAX 3597/44 flights = 82 pax per flight

44 flights at 144 seats = 6336 seats maximum = 57% load factor

44 flights at 160 seats = 7040 seats maximum = 51% Load factor

The figures you have used seem to be based on 120 seats.

Not many 738's flying with a 120 config even schedule airlines.

I just can't get it to 68% using anything other than 120 config which per th databases I have checked does not exist on the MS 738.

It that was the first month of operation in the current climate it seems pretty good - 68% would be brilliant.



Pete

[chaps2011]

Most of the loads I have seen recently have been around 100 mark which
does give a 68% load give or take a bit

Chaps

[Nobend]

They can put on 10 flights a day to Jeddah as far as I'm concerned and I for one will not be on one.

I'm out there every month and it's EY every time. MAN-AUH-JED and return.

5 hour wait in AUH is perfect for raising my blood alcohol level before entering the evil kingdom.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

A friendly 'heads-up' to aircrews: if you are operating inbound to MAN/EGCC on Summer season Saturday lunchtimes [11:30-14:30Z], turning up at the hold with minimum fuel is a seriously bad idea. Remember, MAN/EGCC is not a tranquil backwater despite what some would like to believe! And don't forget, we haven't even started with the extra football traffic yet (coming soon!).

Memo to MAG: Time to look at funding dual runway ops during this period? This is not unique to Summer 2013. Unless the economy implodes between now and Summer 2014, you need to be planning for dual ops during these hours next year. And whilst Saturday is the worst bottleneck, certain other days merit a close look early-afternoon too.

[seahawks]

Shed, do you have a crystal ball? Two week trial of extended R2 hours coming soon.

[nigel osborne]

Olton pete,

Thanks for the Egyptair breakdown, as you say over 50% in the current climate in Egypt is good, hope it returns to MAN next year if it is to be seasonal ?

Nigel

[LAX_LHR]

hope it returns to MAN next year if it is to be seasonal

It is already bookable from 1st April 2014 onwards. Still 5 weekly on B737-800

[gazza007]

I think for MAN to move forward, it is imperative that a full taxiway system is finished for southern runway, I appreciate that restrictions are in place during certain hours but this should have been buil during construction. I would imagine that MAG have plans drawn up. Anybody else know anything?