I’m not sure a breakdown of EZY’s current, and potential, route network from SOU qualifies as “rumour”.

Let’s get it back on track. Any more word on Loganair’s bid to get some LHR slots?

If they do, they do. Loganair do routes that EZY and FR would not touch with a barge pole. Not profitable for them.

Exactly the reason that Easy arn't already at SOU on short routes like Glasgow For example,there isnt the PAX demands to make it profitable ,and I dont think this will change post Runway extension .

If rumours of easyJet at SOU are true, all it is trying to do is exactly what it is doing between BFS and BHD. This is to the detriment of everyone but themselves in their efforts to control the market between LGW and SOU.

A series of spoiler services impact everyone else’s yields and where easyJet has the frequency advantage at larger airports like LGW and BFS, its position is not able to be tackled on the basis of that frequency.

For SOU and BHD, this is a very dangerous position as they basically allow in easyJet to control the market and ultimately suppress it to keep the big volumes at LGW and BFS. It’s not good for consumer choice in the long run either. Very much a matter of be careful what you wish for.

No it will not. People like the choice to travel to SOU in the morning or the evening from the locations Logan fly from. Not as cheap as some would like. But Loganair exists while Flybe and BMIR do not.

I think Flightrider makes a good point. I haven’t looked recently but the last time I looked the EZY services between BHX and EDI/GLA were all over the place, schedule wise. OK for occasional leisure travel but not so great for business. Even their schedules on LGW/EDI (which I use a lot) leave a lot to be desired. For example, this coming Wednesday the last flight EDILGW is at 1650. I do get the impression that EZY treat a lot of their domestics, particularly regional ones, as fillers but by siphoning off some of the discretionary traffic make the routes unviable for a competing regional operator.

Domestics
 

WW, absolutely spot on, as a BHX watcher the up and coming summer schedules at times are a nightmare for business but I can't speak for Southampton, however BHX domestics business travel appears to be nowhere near pre COVID levels (and might never recover) and of course these schedules won't help and they do give the impression of gap-fillers in the aircraft schedule. However, I am sure some Southampton locals would be more than happy to accept easyjet EDI & GLA even at erratic timings or as gaps-fillers or whatever you want to call them :).

Pete

indeed but my point is that while some SOU locals might be pleased to see an EZY service to Scotland even if at erratic timings, others would not be so pleased if this led to the withdrawal of the business friendly Loganair services.

Often locos are like this as these routes need to fit round routes from the bases.

e.g. if the aircraft goes base to Palma one day and Tenerife the next and base to BHX follows they won't be at the same time.

It also keeps people at those locations in work. That may upset some of the posters on here, but hey ho,. Let the blood flow in their ideas.

Wow, what did I start! I intentionally did not mention EZY. Let’s start again, what do we think LM will replace the 145s with? ATRs I feel are too slow. Not sure they would get as many sectors in.

I think ATR's could work, but they would need to re-jig the schedules a little with other shorter flights already operated by them. Additional fleet commonality is probably appealing for Loganair.

As you say I can't imagine it will be possible to do 4x EDI/GLA - SOU/EXT returns in a day on a single aircraft. But if you mixed that in with a shorter sector or two to IOM/LDY/SYY etc then it might be alright.


Otherwise what would they choose - Q400 is faster but seems risky reliability wise, and would be thirsty on short flights. E170/175 is probably more reliable than a Q400 but a great deal thirstier again.

So what reliable airframes of the size / fuel burn / and bums on seats fills the holes? New Q400s about? New EJRs about? New ATRs about? Rock and hard place. Rather have EJRs with new parts about. Oh Uber alles Q400 and ATRs. Jets over props every time in my considered opinion.

The view of the CEO
 

Admirable and a position I agree with, however this will never stop the LCC’s profiting from their lower cost base and economies of scale!

Personally, I can’t see Loganair disposing of the ERJ fleet any time soon, given that a cabin upgrade is about to be undertaken across the fleet. This is on top of a flight management system upgrade. Rather costly if they are planning to replace the a/c!

As for fleet replacements, they appear to be committed to ATR with plans for an additional 4 AT42’s, and 4 (Possibly 5) AT72's on the cards.

All in all, I think fleet replacement plans are at this time not something Loganair are in a rush to commit to.

Why bin aeroplanes that are doing routes that fit their role and are being profitable? Certainly the cabin upgrades are well overdue, but they were when the fleet was BMIR. FMS update is also well in progress.

Interesting situation for Loganair after BA hands them 60 LHR slots for Summer 23.


cr. Sean M.

Being reported on the Derry thread that the STN flight is moving to LHR

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...throw-from-may

Lets hope any expansion ex LHR boosts their ‘local’ Scottish routes and airports.
BA may have something to say though on their essentially high fare LHR connection monopoly.
Good news though. Have they got capacity/aircraft and resilience though? We don’t need another Flybe

This from the article linked at #293 above - so I'd expect new destinations from LHR, not competing on existing routes. Derry and Dundee favourites?

So that translates into 5 daily flights, I guess. Beyond switching, say, DND, IOM and LDY to LHR not much left then

I imagine BA will codeshare. A win win for them.

From a personal view it would be great to have the ex Flybe (1) LHR-GCI route back ...

I see there’s a Titan A321 that seems to be subbing on Logan flights just now, quite a capacity difference from the regular fleet.

What's happening here? Now being reported that it was at MME for storage and is going to Portugal shortly?

It was there for care and maintenance, but plans to conduct a C Check there didn’t work out which is why it’s now off to Portugal

Thought this was going to be Willis' first C check at MME so curious as to what didn't work out?

Meeting today with Loganair and CAA about how they plan to maintain Scottish connectivity. Surprised its within CAA remit or priority.

Wasn't there a plan that all of the E145s would receive their heavy maintenance at Willis at Teesside? This would mean aircraft wouldn't have to be flown to Portugal or even the USA for C and D checks.

G-SAJD has sat at Teesside since February and work seemingly never started on it. When the aircraft go to OGMA in Portugal, they are often there for six months at a time. An expensive and time consuming business.

Might be overexaggerating about the timescales relating to OGMA checks...
The MRO in Lithuania have encountered delays also, mostly down to lack of spares for a legacy fleet of aircraft.
Bare in mind that both the MRO's are recognised Embraer service center's, not many of them in the good old UK..

I'm pretty certain this is the first LM aircraft into OGMA in quite some time - like three or four years. Others might have had issues with aircraft stuck down there but Vilnius has been the MRO of choice for the 145s for ages now. Only one ever went to the USA.

It's well on its way there so whatever happens, doesn't look like the C Check is being done in Teesside.

G-SAJE has just screwed up its brakes upon landing at ABZ (on LM12 from NWI)

They wouldnt be involved with the tender that is up for services to Campbeltown, Barra and Tiree?
PSO flight tender | Transport Scotland

Maybe the same reason Willis do not have base maintenance approvals from EASA?

They have CAA base maintenance approvals, so is this a seperate issue? Do Willis do MRO in their own right anywhere else?

Maybe EASA actually did a proper audit? Is this hangar fit to do maintenance in? Is it ready to do maintenace in? I wouldn't tell you if it is or isn't because it isn't any of your business.

Loganair to interline with Aer Lingus

Loganair seals interline agreement with Aer Lingus (travelmole.com)

Was there a business logic for sourcing both ATR42-500 and -600 as well as ATR72-500 and -600? Or was it down to pure airframe availability and they can happily mix and match marques?

Assume it was airframe availability as both versions are similar apart from the 600 versions having superior performance and higher weights as well as higher automation levels for the pilots.