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Skipness One Foxtrot 2nd Feb 2024 15:59


Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim (Post 11586757)
Whom wants to fly to Brussels? We will see if CAA figures for 2023 are on a par with 2019. The economy decides air travel accurately. I do know the B word cost Logan a lot of money and time to sort out the regulatory mess.

That's intetesting, can you expand a bit? Was it an additional expense in the move to ATRs?

Sotonsean 2nd Feb 2024 19:42


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 11588844)
watch EZY trim back their competing routes now to eg Bournemouth and Southampton

Why?

Easyjet operates from Glasgow to Southampton, the airlines only Scottish flight to the south coast Airport.

Easyjet doesn't fly any domestic flights to Bournemouth let alone any from Scotland.

cuthere 2nd Feb 2024 20:08


Originally Posted by Markushillman (Post 11588837)
Credit goes to @SeanM1997 on X

But quoted from him below

Quote:
Loganair are trimming many frequencies in Summer 2024 with Aberdeen-Oslo cut completely and reductions to Aberdeen-Manchester, Edinburgh-Exeter, Edinburgh-Southampton, Glasgow-Derry & Glasgow-Southampton among others

But increasing LDY-LHR by 7x week in each direction for summer. Any idea where the slots have come from?

MARKEYD 2nd Feb 2024 20:33


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 11588844)
watch EZY trim back their competing routes now to eg Bournemouth and Southampton

You need to do a bit more research regarding EasyJet routes before you post

davidjohnson6 2nd Feb 2024 20:39

Go easy on Vickers. You know what he/she means about Easyjet possibly reducing frequency to the south coast of England now that Loganair have decided they want to reduce SOU flying

VickersVicount 2nd Feb 2024 21:29


Originally Posted by MARKEYD (Post 11588968)
You need to do a bit more research regarding EasyJet routes before you post

… :rolleyes:

CabinCrewe 2nd Feb 2024 21:41


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11588976)
Go easy on Vickers. You know what he/she means about Easyjet possibly reducing frequency to the south coast of England now that Loganair have decided they want to reduce SOU flying

Agree, its well known the low cost carrier spoiler tactics to South Coast such as BOH, SOU etc If your convinced they’ll stick around in current format once Loganair shoved out, then looks like research needed elsewhere. Ryanair can be slightly more persistent in my experience.

Diff Tail Shim 2nd Feb 2024 22:35


Originally Posted by Markushillman (Post 11588837)
Credit goes to @SeanM1997 on X

But quoted from him below

Quote:
Loganair are trimming many frequencies in Summer 2024 with Aberdeen-Oslo cut completely and reductions to Aberdeen-Manchester, Edinburgh-Exeter, Edinburgh-Southampton, Glasgow-Derry & Glasgow-Southampton among others

He work for Loganair?

MARKEYD 2nd Feb 2024 23:06


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 11589008)
… :rolleyes:

Well for a start as an example EasyJet don’t fly to Bournemouth on domestic routes

Sotonsean 3rd Feb 2024 00:59


Originally Posted by MARKEYD (Post 11589057)
Well for a start as an example EasyJet don’t fly to Bournemouth on domestic routes

Which I correctly pointed out in my previous post 439. I can't believe that you have had to point it out as well 😕

goldeneye 3rd Feb 2024 09:43

Could see LM reducing flights between GLA & SOU etc when EZY launched the route. There is no way they can complete with easyJet fares. LM could provide the multiple daily frequency but not at the sort of fares EZY can deliver with a larger aircraft.

Skipness One Foxtrot 3rd Feb 2024 13:42

They're not complimentary, easyJet can take just enough volume off Loganair to kill yields, and hence no multiple daily frequency. On these niche routes with tight margins, it's not like one operator is for holidays and another solely for business. I don't see room for both.

fjencl 3rd Feb 2024 14:23

And when ecojet join the EDI - SOU - EDI route, that's more competition.


davidjohnson6 3rd Feb 2024 14:42


Originally Posted by fjencl (Post 11589429)
And when ecojet join the EDI - SOU - EDI route, that's more competition.

Are Ecojet really going to happen ? I've got them down in the "Hmm... let's see if an aeroplane really does take off with fare-paying passengers" category

Albert Hall 3rd Feb 2024 14:55

Looking at the SOU-GLA schedule, LM have taken out the flights where easyJet were sitting right on top of them, but have left everything else. It's gone from 4pd to 3pd on weekdays up to Thursday then stayed where it was on Fri, Sat & Sun. So for example easyJet fly early afternoon on Mondays and the LM 1400 ex GLA and 1600 ex SOU have been taken out. easyJet fly early morning on Wednesday so the LM 0645 ex GLA and 0840 ex SOU have gone. Probably wise to avoid scheduling on top of each other.

SOU-EDI has gone back to a conventional 4pd with no nightstop.

In the current market it's hard to see where these EcoJet people believe that they can secure aircraft in time and recruit crews. They are starting to make visible moves but I just don't understand what they think they can do. It's shaping up to be Flybe Mk3, I think.


Diff Tail Shim 4th Feb 2024 20:24


Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 (Post 11583870)
From the very little I hear, this was in train before that blew up. I am sure the immature acts of a departing pilot would not trigger this - most airlines would change CEO every week if they left office on the basis of a stupid social media post by an employee! The pilot concerned has some long overdue growing up to do. They take a very dim view of that sort of thing in Holiday House.

I suspect JH has a very good idea of what’s ahead.

That social media mash I have just seen. Immature to say the least. Libelous as well.

adfly 22nd Feb 2024 12:17

Not enough passengers or pilots?
 
From SeanM1997 on twitter - Loganair are to drop their Glasgow to Exeter route from 29th March.

They seem to have quite a few cuts to routes across the network recently, most being ones without competition. Are we just seeing a fall off in demand, or is the pilot shortage mentioned on here taking its toll on the airline?

BA318 22nd Feb 2024 15:51

Luke Farajallah has been named as CEO of Loganair. A varied CV having worked at Specialist Aviation Services since 2019, as COO at Flybe from 2015-2018, and among other positions COO at Wizz Air and Spanair.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/luke-...member_desktop

CabinCrewe 22nd Feb 2024 16:28


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11602192)
Luke Farajallah has been named as CEO of Loganair. A varied CV having worked at Specialist Aviation Services since 2019, as COO at Flybe from 2015-2018, and among other positions COO at Wizz Air and Spanair.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/luke-...member_desktop

Flybe Wizz and Spanair… mmm, what a bunch.

Skipness One Foxtrot 22nd Feb 2024 16:32


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 11602215)
Flybe Wizz and Spanair… mmm, what a bunch.

He's worked for Brymon beforehand then 17 years at BA so hopefully his eyes are opened to the challenges

TBSC 22nd Feb 2024 19:11

A very sensible guy.

Diff Tail Shim 22nd Feb 2024 21:41


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11602295)
A very sensible guy.

Also well known by the share holders.

jethro15 23rd Feb 2024 10:32

Luke Farajallah was in charge of Specialist Aviation Services which went into administration just after it was sold to Gama Aviation last year. Gama is also behind the new Bond helicopters which is Peter Bond, who is one of the shareholders in Loganair. Could it be that the shareholder want’s more influence over the running of Loganair? It strikes me as more than a coincidence that a new CEO has been announced only six weeks after the last one left, and who has also strong connections with the shareholder’.

Furthermore, Stephen and Peter Bond announced in October 2022 that Loganair was being offered for sale with a sale date completed by mid-2023. However, it was announced 06 Oct 2023 that Loganair was no longer for sale citing: “specific issues impacting the world-wide supply chain availability and costs”.

Could it be that the shareholders decided that a change of CEO to someone who is more malleable was the direction to go in? which appears to have been achieved. The fact that the previous CEO left so suddenly without any prior warning makes me wonder.

RHagrid 23rd Feb 2024 13:12


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11602192)
Luke Farajallah has been named as CEO of Loganair. A varied CV having worked at Specialist Aviation Services since 2019, as COO at Flybe from 2015-2018, and among other positions COO at Wizz Air and Spanair.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/luke-...member_desktop

Sounds like your usual "Jack of all Trades and Master of None" Aviation Business expert.

MidlandsWanderer 23rd Feb 2024 13:47


Originally Posted by jethro15 (Post 11602644)
Luke Farajallah was in charge of Specialist Aviation Services which went into administration just after it was sold to Gama Aviation last year. Gama is also behind the new Bond helicopters which is Peter Bond, who is one of the shareholders in Loganair. Could it be that the shareholder want’s more influence over the running of Loganair? It strikes me as more than a coincidence that a new CEO has been announced only six weeks after the last one left, and who has also strong connections with the shareholder’.

Furthermore, Stephen and Peter Bond announced in October 2022 that Loganair was being offered for sale with a sale date completed by mid-2023. However, it was announced 06 Oct 2023 that Loganair was no longer for sale citing: “specific issues impacting the world-wide supply chain availability and costs”.

Could it be that the shareholders decided that a change of CEO to someone who is more malleable was the direction to go in? which appears to have been achieved. The fact that the previous CEO left so suddenly without any prior warning makes me wonder.

What makes you think that the Bonds are detached from the day-to-day running of the airline? My understanding is that they have always been pretty hands-on at least as far as Peter Bond is concerned.

SWBKCB 23rd Feb 2024 14:30


Originally Posted by RHagrid (Post 11602723)
Sounds like your usual "Jack of all Trades and Master of None" Aviation Business expert.

Sounds like your usual uninformed speculation.

SealinkBF 23rd Feb 2024 15:06

At least it's not C.O-W

OzzyOzBorn 23rd Feb 2024 15:36

She has now popped up as CEO at French Bee. How does she do it?

Saabdriver1 23rd Feb 2024 17:23


Originally Posted by MidlandsWanderer (Post 11602743)
What makes you think that the Bonds are detached from the day-to-day running of the airline? My understanding is that they have always been pretty hands-on at least as far as Peter Bond is concerned.

Are you getting your Peters mixed up? If this one has been involved on a day-to-day basis then it's certainly been kept very well hidden for as long as that's been happening.

Rivet Joint 23rd Feb 2024 18:38


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 11602807)
She has now popped up as CEO at French Bee. How does she do it?

She is female and talks about women’s rights. That seems to be a key to any role on a board nowadays.

forget about the number of airlines she has ran into the ground which ironically led to many women losing there jobs and of course the odd scandal, she will bring woke to our airline and that’s what customers and colleagues want nowadays (apparently).

Mooncrest 23rd Feb 2024 19:46

I assume Jonathan Hinkles is no longer at Loganair. Does anyone know if he has taken up a new position?

Diff Tail Shim 23rd Feb 2024 19:52


Originally Posted by Mooncrest (Post 11602954)
I assume Jonathan Hinkles is no longer at Loganair. Does anyone know if he has taken up a new position?

You would be correct and seeing his LinkedIn posts haven't mentioned a new position, I assume he is having a break from the hassle.

Diff Tail Shim 23rd Feb 2024 19:57


Originally Posted by adfly (Post 11602079)
From SeanM1997 on twitter - Loganair are to drop their Glasgow to Exeter route from 29th March.

They seem to have quite a few cuts to routes across the network recently, most being ones without competition. Are we just seeing a fall off in demand, or is the pilot shortage mentioned on here taking its toll on the airline?

Ask ATR or Embraer about the lead time for spares as well. Pandemic killed repair shops everywhere and they haven't got back up to speed.

manx crab 24th Feb 2024 09:39

Does anyone know why ATR72 G-LMTB does not seem to be able to be used for flights into London City?.

It has only rarely been used on the IOM routes and even when here did not go to LCY.


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SealinkBF 24th Feb 2024 11:25

From the Mirror, reporting on a Which? article. No real surprises, but glad to see Loganair in the "top half!"!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0ac4d4ae71.png

SKOJB 24th Feb 2024 12:11


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 11603302)
From the Mirror, reporting on a Which? article. No real surprises, but glad to see Loganair in the "top half!"!

Maybe for business travellers yes but for leisure they are ridiculously expensive. SOU-GLA return in May with EZY is £88 versus LM’s £236!



Saabdriver1 24th Feb 2024 18:09


Originally Posted by manx crab (Post 11603243)
Does anyone know why ATR72 G-LMTB does not seem to be able to be used for flights into London City? It has only rarely been used on the IOM routes and even when here did not go to LCY.
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TB isn't equipped with the steep approach kit for LCY. If it appears in IOM, it's because of an on-the-day operational need and won't be there long. Of the new ATR72-600s you probably won't see much of the three Colombian aircraft in IOM either - they have potable water system which they can't service in IOM.

Saabdriver1 24th Feb 2024 18:11


Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim (Post 11602958)
You would be correct and seeing his LinkedIn posts haven't mentioned a new position, I assume he is having a break from the hassle.

A couple of colleagues had been in touch with him and he is indeed taking a break. That doesn't stop the speculation about what he's going to do next though. It will certainly be something!

jethro15 24th Feb 2024 22:41

With regard to Jonathan Hinkles departure, what have we got so far? To summarise:

Post 384: ‘A loss for the company. You will never work for a more professional CEO in this industry’.

Post 390: ‘For those that know, was the recent ‘Social Media’ production and subsequent email from JH to all staff the straw that broke the camel’s back?

Post: 392: ‘Paid off but old and maintained in house?’

Post 393: ‘I suspect JH has a very good idea of what’s ahead.

Post:395: ‘Which is probably why JH has left as he can foresee a very difficult future. For the 6 years I worked for them from 2014-20, he certainly did an excellent job, especially from the useless one before him. I do feel the board have a very critical decision who replaces him. I fear that things will only go downhill from here’. (A sentiment I strongly agree with!)

Post 460: (My own, no need to repeat)

Post 475: ‘A couple of colleagues had been in touch with him and he is indeed taking a break. That doesn't stop the speculation about what he's going to do next though. It will certainly be something!’

From: Chief executive tells why he quit Glasgow airline Loganair | The Herald (heraldscotland.com) "It serves no-one well for there to be a prolonged period of farewells, uncertainty and indecision in leadership. With all that in mind, I left the building for the final time a few hours ago."

Many airlines worldwide have/are experiencing problems with the AT72 fleet. Loganair are NO exception. It appears that once proposed acquisition timelines can no longer be adhered to through no fault of their own. Plus, as ‘Diff Tail Shim’ pointed out in Post 470, spares are also VERY difficult to come by. (Eastern have also succumbed)

One thing that also struck me was the attention paid to the farewell flights to the SAAB 340 flights. Many videos online are from pure enthusiasts and posted online via social media. However, when you look at the background of many of the ground shots taken, the proliferation of Loganair advertising did not pass me by. Who needs tv? Who was responsible for that?

My fear for Loganair is that the shareholders have taken the decision to willingly replace a competent CEO with someone they can manipulate to dispose of Loganair.

PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG!

SWBKCB 25th Feb 2024 06:26


My fear for Loganair is that the shareholders have taken the decision to willingly replace a competent CEO with someone they can manipulate to dispose of Loganair.
Wasn't LM up for sale under Hinkles?


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