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harriewillem 24th Nov 2020 09:50

How many operators did the service have in the past 5 to 10 years? The honesty is people do not care who the operator or airline is as long it flies cheaper than chips and on the time I want.... people pretend to care but the route is to thin to be viable it hasnt been stable in any of the recent years, and flying connecting pax inro LHR is no money maker also, it is nice seat fillers... but these "regional routes" are gonzo.. ... Loganair will not make it, it is working now with all the support it gets and payment of goverment on the route as well as for the staff who is at home... When the goverments in Europe stop the wage subsidy scheme... brace for impact....

Saabdriver1 24th Nov 2020 11:31

Fair enough - I retract my opening comments which were unduly harsh. The explanation still stands and is hopefully of interest.

flyerguy 24th Nov 2020 11:37

Worth noting that Loganair were denied slots for S21. Currently there’s slot alleviation still in force for W20/21 however going into S21 here’s hoping they can lease the slots from a different Airline!

Could really do with a codeshare when things do go back to normal (at least with the IOM borders)

AirLCY 24th Nov 2020 11:41

There is a strong chance LM will get temporary slots at LHR either through rule relaxation or slot sitting for another airline....but by S22 they’ll be searching for slots elsewhere - back to LCY or STN

JSCL 24th Nov 2020 12:24

BA are offering slots to multiple airlines currently to sit on them for up to 3 years on their behalf. Loganair isn't the only airline slots are being offered to.

JSCL 24th Nov 2020 12:26


It restores my faith in reliable regional connectivity after what the regions - and Isle of Man - have had to deal with previously.

Cat Techie 25th Nov 2020 18:55

Jump starting using another EJR is a practice that is legal and authorised in the EJR technical ramp manual. A large clamp is put into the donar aircrafts air start connector check valve allow the pnematic transfer. It was a once only operation to get the aircraft with the U/S APU out. Nothing dodgy or illegal. Worth checking facts before one posts.

JSCL 25th Nov 2020 19:05

There was no insinuation of illegitimacy over the technique.

southamptonavgeek 3rd Jan 2021 17:02

Do we expect there to be any further passenger ATRs which are operated on a more permanent basis than G-FBXA and 'XB? It seems likely.

goldeneye 4th Jan 2021 09:55

They are planning on replacing the Saab 340 fleet with ATR’s. They already have 4 ATR 42 passenger versions, with I think another 5 due this year. In addition to the 2 Passenger ATR72’s.

southamptonavgeek 4th Jan 2021 09:58

I seem to be losing my memory... What I really meant to ask was whether we would see any more passenger ATR 72s - perhaps after the relatively short leases on the current two expire. Thank you for your reply though.

SealinkBF 9th Jan 2021 18:27

Small fry, but every little helps: Loganair have won the tender for the Orkney Islands Inter-Island contract.

davidjohnson6 9th Jan 2021 18:33

Which other airlines were credible candidates for the Orkney contract ?

Link Kilo 9th Jan 2021 18:51

Directflight won a similar tender in Shetland last year so may have been a credible candidate for Orkney too.

Saabdriver1 9th Jan 2021 19:03

Our guys in Kirkwall had heard Directflight / Airtask had bid this time. There were rumours of another bidder in the equation as well but don’t know who. Good to see this stay in place with all of the history behind it - some of the best flying in Loganair.

davidjohnson6 10th Jan 2021 09:29

During summer 2020, what happened to demand from people who were not island residents for leisure travel to/from Shetland, Orkney and Western Isles once things were allowed to open up again ?
Was there a surge of interest as people decided going abroad was too risky with travel corridors closing suddenly, or did people decide they wanted somewhere hot and sunny ?

SWBKCB 10th Jan 2021 09:37

Saw an interview with Jeremy Clarkson the other day talking about the next episode of "Grand Tour". Not being able to go abroad, they decided to go to the Outer Hebrides to film - they couldn't go anywhere without stumbling over another film crew who had had the same idea...

Saabdriver1 10th Jan 2021 10:57

There was some leisure travel into the islands last summer but very little. It's a very sensitive point if you are coming from a higher-infection area into an island with low Covid rates but also very limited healthcare facilities. Even when travel was permitted, it certainly wasn't encouraged.

biddedout 10th Jan 2021 11:44

We went to Shetland in August and there were a few tourists but most probably went by ferry as the flight schedules were still thin. Also, only a few hotels were open and museums and attractions were very restricted if open at all. The season was a bit of a write off particularly as it effectively ends in September. Having said that, the weather was incredibly good and it was a pleasure to see the islands at their best. Had the weather been more traditional it would have made for a dull holiday for all but the toughest nature/walking types as most venues were closed. I can imagine there will be a greater interest this year if we can just get out of these restrictions.
Nice to see Shetland being practical. Taking cash on the ferries was an issue so they just took your name and address and let you on for nothing. I received a modest ferry bill from SIC a couple of months later.

northsands 21st Jan 2021 15:59

Inverness/Sumburgh nonstops
I've noticed a mostly fortnightly series of INV/LSI nonstop schedules have recently appeared in the booking engine, Th evening northbound, Mo morning southbound, for the next three months or so (LM137/LM132).
Anyone know anything about these?

SealinkBF 22nd Jan 2021 08:32

Indeed. I did a sightseer flight KOI-NDY-SOY-KOI (WRY-PPW was full!) and the scenery is stunning.

incidentally, the pilot, when boarding passengers, asked who was the sight seer passenger to ensure I had a window seat! It was like getting into a taxi!

BAladdy 31st Jan 2021 03:52


Looks like more ATR72’s are planned to to arrive before July. Based on the current schedule LM are planning to base 3 ATR72’s at IOM from 1st July. They also plan to nighstop a further 2 ATR72’s at ABZ and LSI.

El Bunto 3rd Feb 2021 15:04

callsign operated freighter AT72 EI-SLW between EGNX and EGAA today apparently on the Amazon contract for ASL, who own the airframe. Not sure if this will be an ongoing arrangement, if so it will end RVL Aviation's short spell on the contract with their SAAB.

Edit: been told that it may not have been a Logan crew

ASL haven't run one of their ATRs on the route since ( full ) Brexit.

JSCL 3rd Feb 2021 15:40

RVL Saab is due to take over from the current aircraft operating the DHL flights to/from IOM in the near future. So it already has a planned future use.

allan1987 2nd Apr 2021 21:12

Loganair Moving flights from City Of Derry to Stansted to Heathrow?
Seems to be added on Heathrow Timetable LDY-LHR from 28 May

Arrive LHR 09:05 Depart 10:30
Arrive LHR 19:05 Depart 19:40

2 times day daily

flights not on booking engine yet

Fly757X 2nd Apr 2021 22:12


Looks like it indeed. FRI showing as operating 3 times from the start of July.

Alteagod 3rd Apr 2021 05:17

Fantastic if it has. Don't they code share with BA?

VickersVicount 3rd Apr 2021 07:45

Not always. On select routes only. I doubt any of the rash of new routes will from the outset.

Fly757X 3rd Apr 2021 08:45

By the looks of things most of the BA services are covered using the current LM offering into LHR.

Here’s hoping this doesn’t change.

tigertanaka 3rd Apr 2021 14:09

A lot of the Scottish services do have a BA code (when connecting onto a BA flight). IOM-LHR, SOU-NCL, SOU-EDI, SOU-GLA all have BA codeshares (as did MAN-GLA I think) but MME-LHR doesn't (although it is still early days). I guess it depends if BA feels that LDY is a threat to their BHD route and if MME is a threat to NCL? However, LM have got the LHR slots from somewhere and in the grand scheme of things, LM are not going to take much away from BA.

Fly757X 3rd Apr 2021 14:25

Yeah I just realised MME-LHR isn't included there sorry. I thought I heard it was. With a maximum of 144 seats on a Friday in both directions I wouldn't be sure that they (BA) will lose sleep over it. I'm sure it'll develop from here and here's hoping that a BA codeshare is in place for both MME/LDY. The benefits to my region and LDY particularly will be profound, something completely out of the blue and hopefully the affinity the catchment here have garnered with STN over 20+ years will come across too, even if it remains almost exclusively P2P travel initially.

01475 15th Apr 2021 21:07


Scottish airline Loganair is to launch a service between Norwich and Exeter later this year.The route between the two cities was previously operated by Flybe before it went into administration last year.

Flights will operate four times a week from 12 July and then twice a week from September.

Loganair chief executive Jonathan Hinkles said it was "connecting two important UK business and leisure locations".

The airline also said it had brought forward the resumption of its Edinburgh to Norwich services to July instead of September as originally planned.

It means 42 of the 46 routes operated by Flybe when it collapsed in March 2020 will be running once more by summer.

Mr Hinkles said it "shows the resilience and the importance of supporting the UK's domestic airlines".
:bored: I could be unnecessarily cynical, but I can't see this working, and wasn't it reputed to be a route that FlyBe operated by chance rather than design?

AirportPlanner1 15th Apr 2021 21:26

I believe it was to get a jet into NWI for Med routes but actually proved quite popular and was operated during periods as a stand-alone route. It’s two university cities and a gateway to Devon (or the Broads for anyone that fancies it. Remember the land journey between the two is fairly long.

ETOPS 16th Apr 2021 06:39

Google maps indicates 5hrs 12 min in light traffic.Given that the direct route includes a transit of the M25 then make that closer to 6 hours normally!!

Expressflight 16th Apr 2021 06:45

I recall the loads were good when I used the Flybe NWI-EXT flights. That was on an E195 of course so it will be interesting to see how attractive are the fares on the Loganair 145.

AirportPlanner1 16th Apr 2021 08:51


6? It took me more than that to get from the M25 to the edge of Exeter last summer! 5 coming back, 5 each way last time I tried a few years ago. Plus stops to eat.

CabinCrewe 16th Apr 2021 09:17

Todays auditor reports raising concern and uncertainty about finances might put paid to anything marginal. The rapid expansion and covid were always going to cause issue. Tricky times.

Saabdriver1 16th Apr 2021 09:43

Every airline and airport's financial reports being filed recently have the same statement about material uncertainty. It's there in the IAG and easyJet reports using almost exactly the same words. If you read the statement, it simply says that if Covid-19 goes on for ever, the business won't be viable - which is stating the obvious for pretty much the entire travel industry.

Scottish Flyer 16th Apr 2021 10:19

I used the Exeter - Norwich route in May 2019 and the load factor was healthy (about 75%) on the EMB195. Quite a number of passengers were connecting at Exeter to and from the Skybus flights to the Scillies (as indeed I was).

BAladdy 18th Apr 2021 06:59

LM are currently advertising for cabin crew on the IOM with the closing date for a applications of 30th April.

The schedule still shows that 3 ATR72 aircraft are planned to begin based on the IOM from 1st July. Does anyone know how many cabin crew they are looking to recruit?.


Have heard that LM is still planning to add 3 ATR72’s between now and the beginning of July and they will lease them from Chorus Aviation.

Thr aircraft have been stored at TLS registered EI-GPN/O/P since being returned by Stobart late last year. Prior to that they were operated by BE on behalf of SK and were registered G-FBXC/D/E.

The aircraft are to undergo maintenance and lease transition checks at Exeter Aerospace Services prior to entering service. The first aircraft, EI-GPP, arrived at EXT on 13tb April. This ATR was registered G-FBXE when operated by Flybe.

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