EJR = Embraer Regional Jet. How Embraer describe the 145 family.

https://www.embraercommercialaviation.com/fleet/erj/

Crucial error there - it's an ERJ surely!

Yes - got it Pete Tong!

You know anything about aircraft part procurement? I suspect not.

Actually I know a lot about aircraft part procurement. I can also write sentences that make sense.

Auto text error. Whatever. Getting spares turned around for them is way harder and more expensive. That is from ome of the authorised suppliers of Embraer spares. Brexit is not just a small part of that. Only decent thing from it is that it has seen my wages shoot through the roof. Lack of CAA LAEs.

Doesn’t help that one of the ERJs has been parked in Lithuania since December. Do renovation works really take that long?

3 newish ATRs have also been due for many months but looks like all operators of this type are waiting ages for works/new additions. Odd seeing as it’s an aircraft built in France.

Another (non) benefit of you know what!

Totally correct.

sorry don't quite buy this excuse. Just to quantify I work in customs and audit companies including aviation companies.
Part 21 is mutually recognised as is Part 145.
There are specific commodity codes for civil aviation parts and customs will accept at import EASA certification as per the EU UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement.
Companies (not just airlines) can get end use authorisations or even IPR/OPR authorisations to help with import processes.
We still follow in some areas the EU legislation.

So I just don't buy this... it sounds like an easy excuse for poor managment of their supply chains and maintenance schedules!

Covid just accelerated the outcome.

Still need a CAA Form 1. PART 145 and PART 21 is diverging between EASA and CAA. Customs is only a small part of the problem. They are not mutually recognised now. There is safety agreements in place of course so the bull didnt stop everything. But it is a hinderance and additional cost.

But this isn’t just purely a Loganair issue. All UK airlines will be affected in the same way surely. No mention of the crewing problems though.

I don't think anybody has said it's a Loganair specific issue, it came out as part of the background to their annual results

All UK airlines have crew/engineer issues. Not enough of us with UK licences. The pilots that jumped to Ruinair got another licence from a certain NRA. Up to them whom they recognise.

I was considering changing a reservation. I input the details and the website quoted me the change. Decided not to go ahead. Now the reservation has actually been changed and shows it's pending a payment. What a rubbish website when you evidently can't cancel the change and it makes the change before payment has been made. Now need to contact the call centr

We should all be wary to comment/criticise airline commercial strategies, but I worry for Loganair on their non--PSO routes.
Looking at fares between now and the end of May for Southampton, Exeter and Newquay departures, they are eye - wateringly high. Fares from Newquay to Manchester can reach over £450, return, whereas those from Exeter (with Bristol, an hour up the road) to Scotland are uniformly over £300. The same applies to Southampton. Virtually no seats below £100 one-way during this period, so family travel is completely excluded. There is no evidence of lower fare classes to build decent load factors but what do I know? I hope the new pricing strategy works but it looks like Loganair are retreating into a niche carrier catering for non-discretionary travel.

How else are you getting from SOU/EXT to Scotland for under £100?

This Saturday with easyJet from SOU, £57.99 one way to GLA

Twice a week, flying when EZY want to fly. Now try from Exeter?!

Go an hour or so up the road to Bristol where there are multiple daily flights and frequently returns for £60 or £70!

Easyjet are daily Southampton to Glasgow from next month.

If Loganair were just retreating into being the "niche carrier for non discretionary travel" (and rich people) then that would be sad, but it also wouldn't actually be the worst thing. What's happening seems to be worse; an alarming progressive death of regional flying (from Scotland / in the UK / across Europe). In the past Glasgow had niche carriers for non-discretionary travel to places like Norwich, Cambridge, Leeds, East Midlands.

It feels like there is an inherent market failure. It's sensible for all but the very biggest airlines to operate only one size of aircraft; and it's sensible for that size to be 'not small'. Operators of small aircraft seem fated to live a life where they can only operate routes that are both successful but also cannot physically be operated by larger aircraft. If there is a whiff of a possibility that someone might be able to operate a larger aircraft on the route then the operator is doomed (whether they are Loganair at the hands of easyJet or Eastern at the hands of Loganair!) to be usurped by someone for whom the route is clearly not going to be a strategic priority.

EZY are only twice a week now, and we'll see what they do next winter. If you have the time to drive to another airport and can travel when EZY want you to travel, that's fine.

My basic point is that anybody who thinks £100 is expensive to fly from the south of England to Scotland needs their lumps feeling :ok:

It's a fair point. 6 1/2 to 7 hours by train with a fare of £219.00 for travel next Mon return Tues. Must be worth £300 for someone's money just for the time saving alone if you have to do it.

I was thinking the same thing today - I'm a big fan of market forces but that concept does definitely seem to be failing on non-London internal aviation on the island of Great Britain (Scottish Islands and NI seem to be managing OK). Another way of looking at it is that there's a big opportunity there for someone...

There's no big opportunity. No one even makes western commercial turboprops anymore other than the ATR in small numbers. Loganair were realistic and rolled over 40 year old Saabs for 20 year old ATRs, new builds would have killed them.
The days of people flying Air UK F27s up the East Coast full of businessmen or oil men in a pre-Zoom world. Scotland-MAN/BHX served to feed hubs for BA, LC (now LM) and II (Business Air, who fed Lufthansa). Almost all of that feed now goes direct, and there's no business case for point to point GLA-MAN/LBA/CWL/LPL or EDI-NWI or HUY. No more Fokkers, Sheds or Budgies, it's the ATR or a loco jet, because the prices on the old school props are markedly higher than a market that flies to Spain for less will bear. This is mainly due to the economies of scale of a large jet, not the greed of smaller operators.
Meetings are mainly online, trains are much better and even the road network is better in parts! Time to move on, unless some new technology changes the game.

Trains are much better? Where?!

Full aeroplane from SOU to NCL tonight. Packed most nights. Perfect route for an ERJ. Spares are the issue like every other regional. Way bigger ERJ operators in USA with big dollars. But you are right. Bar the hateful ATRs, no western regional newbuilds. Eastern fixes its own J41s. Dicky must have shares in BAES.

Why do you hate the ATR so much? On the right routes it can be a money making machine (particularly the 72).

It's a dinosaur and if old an expensive one. As you said, the right routes. 500s are jurassic and labour intensive to keep flying.

Say London - Newcastle?

Can't say I've noticed, but obviously that's a London route. Anywhere not involving London? Certainly Newcastle to say Manchester is crap.

Just seen the articles about their latest review of operations and retrenching to focus on the northern isles. This seems absolutely crazy to me. The fact those routes are subsidised says it all, they do not have demand for an air service. Given the current climate debate you would also have to say such routes are on shaky ground, or certainly should be! To give up routes like SOU-GLA and ABZ-NCL which see many thousands of annual passengers to keep serving the likes of Barra, Benbecula etc is nothing short of suicidal. I think with this decision we are seeing the start of the demise of this airline. No sane person sits in a boardroom and goes, yeah let’s stop serving cities with populations of 270k and 298k with metros in the millions but still serve little barren islands with populations of 1,000 odd people. Let’s not forget that PSOs can be taken away and given to another airline even a new paper airline. Look at what happened with Stobart when Emerald appeared out of thin air. Can anyone see sense in the new guy’s decisions?

Also makes the decision to keep and invest millions refurbishing the 145s even more foolish now. They might have a thread of sense serving long routes quickly but island hopping?

I won’t pretend to be familiar with the Scottish highland routes but from afar it seems bat**** crazy for islands with a few thousands inhabitants having a daily air service. Surely ferries will more than suffice for travel and movement of products, post etc? Firstly, how can they afford to travel so frequently on a plane considering how expensive a mode of transport it is and presumably not an abundance of job prospects somewhere so remote? More to the point, surely when you grow up somewhere so remote or make the decision to move somewhere like that it’s because you want a quiet life and to predominantly stay local to your home. Happy to be corrected but I find the amount of routes served and at the tax payers’ expense crazy!

RJ,

If you know anything about the CalMac ferry operation to watchword is "unreliable", not just because of their vintage fleet, but also the sea conditions. The air links are vital for the Scottish islands and to slash subsidies would be political suicide.

That being the case being paid to operate Highlands and Islands routes is surely preferable to trying to make money head to head with Easyjet.

Once they have the operational issues sorted then returning to some cancelled and reduced routes could follow.

Can you provide a link to the article - I suspect it is wrong or you have misunderstood it. Flying to 'barren islands' is a minor part of their operation, as is PSO flying.

As far as I am aware, this is the full statement:

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Statement from Loganair CEO

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Are you ok?
For you information not all LM's services are government backed or funded, and you clearly have no comprehension of the geopolitical issues north of the Watford gap or your own head.
Ever thought LM are aware of EasyJet's plans and are getting out before they incur any further losses, the new guy at LM isn't exactly wet behind the ears in regional aviation.
Those pesky ERJ's are still making money for their owners despite the vintage status, what would you suggest LM replace them with given the availability on the market?
Engage the brain before making a fool of yourself online, clearly the economics of running an airline are out with your grasp thankfully.

A large number of pax are paid for by the NHS to receive hospital care that is not available on the islands. How would you propose to deliver vital service as someone else has pointed out the ferry's are very unreliable.

It was explained clearly to you why Loganair would leave SOU if easyJet came in. You demonstate that you literally do not comprehend how this airline has survived 61 years. Please stop rantiing.