Any thoughts on Southend being a base, or destination? Whilst always wise to take corporate statements with a pinch of salt, SEN are recruiting ahead of a “busy summer season”. The current schedule is 13 weekly passenger flights and a nightly freighter…

Hoping for something at Doncaster, however unlikely it is. It must be the only airport that didn't have any of the lost FlyBe routes replaced.

Unless Flybe 2.0 want to make the same mistakes as version 1 they'll be steering clear of 3rd rank airports such as Southend and Doncaster until they are properly established. It's going to be tough for them and there will be little point in casting the net(work) too wide to begin with. The "scattergun" approach rarely works.

Not being condescending at all, the word 'throughout' wasn't there when you posted it first, hence I stated they were there before. If you knew they were whey before why mention it, it would have no relevance!

Routes
BHX-JER
BHX-BHD
BHD-CWL
BHD-NCL
BHD-LPL

Don't Emerald (UK) have to get a UK AOC before they can start out of BHD?

There’s a reason for that. They should steer well clear of DSA.

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BristolexFlyer

That official?

Why's that?

Pretty simple. The routes were loss making, and therefore unviable. Economics.

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BristolexFlyer

You could argue that about most Flybe 1.0 routes otherwise they probably wouldn’t have gone bust.

Absolutely, I agree. Many of theirs routes were undoubtedly marginal at best, and we know some of their issues were larger organisational ones. In the example of DSA, regional routes have been tried by an array of airlines, Aer Lingus, Flybe, easyJet and Wizz have all failed. Tui and Wizz have found their markets at DSA, but it doesn’t seem like DSA can make regional/business routes work. It’s as plain as day.

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BristolexFlyer

Maybe, but... Flybe Mk1 had an aircraft order it didn't need or could afford, aircraft on leases that were too expensive and a mountain of debt. A clean slate, with proper management it could be very possible those which were either marginal or loss-making, may turn a profit with leaner costs.

Still nothing on the media or on the Flybe website. Has Jenny got inside information or is she (?) guessing?

Jenny Tails' record of past posts suggests credibility. It would not surprise me in the least if information is beginning to leak out by virtue of somebody being a bit loose tongued in the pub after work

Actually, it was. If I'd changed it, you would see the word "Edited" underneath alongside the time of alteration. I suggest you stop digging now.

They certainly seem plausible, but of course that doesn't make them true.

I'm in the same boat as Ozzy, wanting to book MAN-BHD early April & there is nothing. Only easyJet to Aldergrove, which is not really what I want.
I'm surprised Aer Lingus are not continuing the booking process. I wouldn't hold my breath on Flybe2. Whoever might be operating BHD-MAN in April, might it not be a good idea to open up bookings now?

I'd say EIR will announce soon. Granted they've been awaiting UK license but in reality there's unlikely to be too many hurdles to that, I'd put it more to them sitting waiting on BE to see what they will have to compete on.
If those routes are correct BE are going for BHD routes where EIR haven't announced, excluding BHX which is basically the new BE's base and could be scrapped over but more likely will be just one or the other carrier.

​I'm waiting on BHD-BHX myself and agree the EZY offering isn't what I want every time either.

Aprils still a while away - why not give it just a bit longer and then look at your options🤷‍♂️

Why not announce what you are going to do? What's the hold-up?

What's the betting that when they do say something the strapline will be something about 'the passenger being at the centre of everything we do'? :rolleyes:

It’s five weeks away. People have other things to book as well usually. And then if they have left it too late and no flight shows up they are left paying higher last minute prices.

When they report Q2 loses the same people will be using the excuse of how flights went on sale late and therefore they didn’t get a fair shot at summer 22.

It sounds like next Monday will be a fine day for playing airline "bulls**t bingo".

From what I'm told, there are several other routes to be added to this. BHX-JER is a Saturday only service through the summer. BHD-MAN and SOU-MAN are also on the cards and the latter suggests a SOU base.

I suspect aircraft and deliveries may be an issue. Given the history that they had with some very late deliveries before I see no reason why that might not be the case again with the hulls having been sat around for some time.

Whether by accident or design I can’t say but they’ll want to be towards the top of the news cycle. There hasn’t been much room over the last few weeks because of Partygate, Ukraine, ‘Freedom Day’ etc. I know this because of something I’m involved in. Not that Monday will necessarily be any better, but you have to go eventually.

A short lead-in shouldn’t be an issue. Ryanair have announced new routes for 5 weeks time.

Ryanair have an established marketing machine, huge funds to bankroll any loses and can offer very cheap lead in fares. Does Flybe2 have any of that?

Sorry but that sounds like b*llocks - do BE really think they are going to top of the news cycle, even on a quiet day? The percentage of the public that will be flying with them is tiny, but they need to be engaging with those potential passengers and not alienating them

Agreed! Just more waffling and hot air from the BE camp.

I couldn’t agree more buddy. Don’t waste your time Flybe bashing on here - get on the blower to your IAG mates and get them to sort it out.

Just like IAG👍

Not sure what that means. I’m not a fan of IAG or BA. My username was purely an interest in the BA A318 which I flew on and working at LCY at the time. Not sure why you need an attitude constantly. People are allowed to debate this topic. It’s not Flybe bashing to ask about their resources or question their techniques.

More complaints about Flybe emailing people.

Twitter

this time because they don’t appear to have an EU nominated rep.

To be fair I think they just need to grow up. My inbox is flooded daily with rubbish, spam, scam emails probably like a lot of people. Hit delete and get on with life seriously.

I for one am glad to see BE coming back, naturally a bit sceptical given the amount of failures in the industry but genuinely believe there's room for them and a market for regional flying that hasn't been fully covered by other airlines since their demise.
Wish them well and I'll give them some business if the routes and prices suit.

Jamie, your posts sound like a rant against IAG for reasons that won't be immediately obvious to most. From what I hear, Flybe has managed to screw up the Heathrow slots and I would not be at all surprised if IAG/BA are going bananas about it. I don't know the full ins and outs of the affair - but isn't it rather better to get your own glasshouse in order before throwing stones?

Good to hear and I'm sure you'll find out more about Flybe's new services in the not to distant future.

I think you don’t understand my point, or how these things work. I didn’t say ‘top’, that’s clear in black and white. It’s absolutely not implausible the resurrection of Flybe could make it onto the front page of the BBC news app. But that’s not the most valuable bit…it’s the things that go with it. The couple of minutes interviewed on LBC and Today, the discussion on 5live. Free publicity, national reach. It’s these that are being squeezed out at the moment by other events.

And while you wait for your five minutes in the sun, you are missing out on the guys who need to book. And once they find an alternative, they might be gone for ever....

Interesting to read about the role of PR and having to try to predict a slow news day. It's a world I know nothing about!

What are the chances of a slow news day at the moment? Things seem to be escalating in Ukraine, once (if?) that dies down the police may come back with their findings about party gate at no 10, and you hope the Queen has a quick recovery from Covid.....

I wouldn't like to be the one deciding to pick the day to go public only to be usurped by a more newsworthy story at the last minute.....

I totally agree.

It's not as if much of this is alreasy a surprise; eh the name and the aircraft type.
I wish flybe2 well, but this is just giving the impression of dithering and does not instill any confidence just procastination

The thing is that the commercial aviation bubble is similar to the Westminster bubble. Outside of their own circles people are either unaware or simply don't care. When people look to book a flight they'll simply look at the options that are laid out in front of them at the time, and choose the one that is most convenient and / or cheapest. If Flybe or even Emerald are in the drop-down of options they're at the races, if they're not well the someone else gets the booking.

That means that if, for example you're headed for a wedding in Belfast you might want to book weeks, possibly months in advance and if you tried that today Flybe would lose out. If on the other hand it's a funeral then booking any more than a week in advance would be unusual. Through all of my business travelling life I only quite rarely found myself planning a trip more than 4 weeks ahead. So yes, the earlier flights are released the more likely people are to book, but most short haul flights aren't booked that far in advance. However if Flybe don't get their booking engine up and running by 1st. March expecting to start operations at the end of March would seem a little short notice.