I sincerely hope for those who’ve already been recruited, the airline actually starts operating very soon, there must a huge amount of cash flowing out of the coffers at present, one assumes the owners must have very deep pockets. Good luck.
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Whether the start date is April/May, they need to get on with announcing routes and getting reservations in, otherwise they will be flying a lot of empty planes around and draining the coffers
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Flymaybe 2.0
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Rumours online tonight that they will announce Leeds-London Heathrow. Even BA dropped that in a time when they were slot sitting a lot of routes.
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Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11199386)
Rumours online tonight that they will announce Leeds-London Heathrow. Even BA dropped that in a time when they were slot sitting a lot of routes.
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Originally Posted by allan1987
(Post 11199417)
looks to be BHD-LHR, BHD-LBA and LHR-LBA!
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The ONLY reason BA flew LHR-LBA was to connect to long haul. Flying a Q400 into LHR with no BA codeshare with the cost regime at LHR vs. rail is insane. If this is true, it's desperate stuff.
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IF these are true it would confirm my often stated opinion that Flybe 2 is very much a slot play.
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Seems like a big risk to go against BA and EI on what is their territory. They would need to have a lot of code shares. I'm sure most passengers travelling to LHR have a lot of luggage that could be very restrictive on a Dash. And for those business passengers im sure they would much rather the comfort of an Airbus
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
(Post 11199505)
IF these are true it would confirm my often stated opinion that Flybe 2 is very much a slot play.
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And in disruption they have no agreement with BA to swop passengers onto BA. Its a cynical slot game. Those slots are worth so much more than the revenue from 20 or 30 passengers per flight.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11199536)
100% this. Lot of people being taken for a ride here, they're simply going to damage BA and EI with no business case to make money on their own then drop both routes as soon as they can flog off the slots.
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Because a) these slot shave real value and b) they're used to support anti-competitive behaviour
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Originally Posted by biddedout
(Post 11199621)
I don't see how it affects EI, these are UK domestic routes. Why is it so unreasonable for a UK carriers to apply for and hold slots into the major UK hub, just like domestic carriers are able to link into the global hubs in other Countries. Why is this always seen as some kind of underhand Scam?
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True but surely this should now be done by EI (UK) using their own crews in G- reg machines controlled from their UK subsidiary.
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Originally Posted by biddedout
(Post 11199641)
True but surely this should now be done by EI (UK) using their own crews in G- reg machines controlled from their UK subsidiary.
Aer Lingus is either still operating this wet lease for British Airways at BHD or has found a more permanent solution without having to re-register some of their A320s. We can assume this same deal will be in place for Emerald until they secure their UK AOC later in the year. Ryanair was caught out trying to use this same ‘flag of convenience’ tactic with their Ryanair UK subsidiary. The problem for Ryanair was they planned to have just a token aircraft registered to the UK and would then wet lease the remaining aircraft from its other subsidiaries. This meant the majority of RUK flying was under foreign registered aircraft, the CAA put a stop to it. Aer Lingus didn’t have this problem wet leasing to British Airways because it didn’t impact the majority of BA flying. |
OH I GIVE UP!!!!!
Easyjet operate Austrian registered aircraft in and out of the UK on a regular basis. They also used Easyjet Swiss aircrafr before and since Brexit. Who cares anyway |
Originally Posted by bean
(Post 11199707)
OH I GIVE UP!!!!!
Easyjet operate Austrian registered aircraft in and out of the UK on a regular basis. They also used Easyjet Swiss aircrafr before and since Brexit. Who cares anyway |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11199536)
100% this. Lot of people being taken for a ride here, they're simply going to damage BA and EI with no business case to make money on their own then drop both routes as soon as they can flog off the slots.
They can, however, be held onto and utilised and become part of the enterprise value to any prospective buyer of the company. Get the picture now? |
Originally Posted by The96er
(Post 11199709)
EasyJet Europe/Swiss do not operate UK - UK or UK to non EU routes. That’s the difference.
Easyjet Swiss can operate any Easyjet route with their aircraft. When it arrives in the UK from Switzerland can operate 2 sectors on behalf 9f Easyjet UK or Easyjet Europe. The costs are picked up by whichever Easyjet company is the lessee |
Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 11199710)
Give me strength...I'll say this slowly so the hard of thinking can get it....They can't sell the slots. I'll say that again....They can't sell the slots. That's right, the slots are not and never will be theirs to sell as they are remedy slots and would be returned to BA.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11199780)
Is there not a time limit after which they become their's, if they are still being used?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11199780)
Is there not a time limit after which they become their's, if they are still being used?
The rules stated that after 6 consecutive seasons the operator had the freedom to use the slots for routes other than Aberdeen and Edinburgh. (Old) flybe allegedly attempted to legally test the ownership question, no doubt new flybe are doing the same... There is also the question whether or not new flybe's use of the slots will be seen as a continuation of old flybe's use - in other words whether they are released from having to operate Aberdeen and Edinburgh for the 6 seasons. The fact that there are persistent rumours about other flybe Heathrow routes about to be announced might indicate that they've reached agreement at least on that element (or would like the market to believe they have)? |
Originally Posted by bean
(Post 11199707)
OH I GIVE UP!!!!!
Easyjet operate Austrian registered aircraft in and out of the UK on a regular basis. They also used Easyjet Swiss aircrafr before and since Brexit. Who cares anyway
Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 11199710)
Give me strength...I'll say this slowly so the hard of thinking can get it....They can't sell the slots. I'll say that again....They can't sell the slots. That's right, the slots are not and never will be theirs to sell as they are remedy slots and would be returned to BA.
They can, however, be held onto and utilised and become part of the enterprise value to any prospective buyer of the company. Get the picture now? |
Skipness. A good example of not being able to absorb information ih the fact that you think i said i was a pilot!!!
The CAA don't care as they are clearly party to the arrangements |
Originally Posted by bean
(Post 11199841)
Skipness. A good example of not being able to absorb information ih the fact that you think i said i was a pilot!!!
The CAA don't care as they are clearly party to the arrangements If the investors think they will get a return on their investment flying Q400s from Leeds to Heathrow then good luck to them. I suppose it will be the negativity on here that does them in. |
Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11199867)
I suppose it will be the negativity on here that does them in.
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 11199889)
The flying and paying public don’t give two hoots about perpetual negativity on here…
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Is there any reference to these being the BA remedy slots?
Is it possible with the downturn in business and the increase in "use it or lose it" percentages for summer that either they are borrowing the slots from another airline in the short term or have gained the slots in their own right because other airlines have handed them back? The first seems the more likely I would have thought. |
No announcement tomorrow. Well at least not anything of significance, I’m told.
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Back to Belfast
https://www.belfastcityairport.com/N...rt-Second-Base |
Flybe to go on sale
Tickets for new Flybe routes are to go on sale next week from Tuesday 22nd March.
https://p1ainaz1aukwstore.z35.web.co...econd_Base.pdf |
How strangely quiet,
Oh, i know! everyones waiting to climb on the bandwagon and critisize the routes when they're announced next week. can't wait 🤣 |
Originally Posted by bean
(Post 11201459)
How strangely quiet,
Oh, i know! everyones waiting to climb on the bandwagon and critisize the routes when they're announced next week. can't wait 🤣 |
Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11201488)
You moan if people comment and moan if people don’t. I thought for a moment you’d got the spelling right this time but looks like I thought too soon 😂
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Bean, it’s early in the evening and plenty of time to keep at the G&T. As others say, you moan when people comment and moan when they don’t. It’s a poor effort to suppress debate.
I’ve seen the list of routes. I can’t see this business has any hope of success. No point trying to have a sensible debate about that here as anything said will be shouted down and derided. |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11201521)
Bean, it’s early in the evening and plenty of time to keep at the G&T. As others say, you moan when people comment and moan when they don’t. It’s a poor effort to suppress debate.
I’ve seen the list of routes. I can’t see this business has any hope of success. No point trying to have a sensible debate about that here as anything said will be shouted down and derided. |
That’s exactly it. With so much yet to happen, it absolutely isn’t time for the thread to be closed, yet it’s another attempt to stifle discussion and debate. Thanks for confirming the obvious.
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I thought the leaked set of routes from Jenny a few weeks back seemed quite sensible and a good starting point.
However, routes like Leeds > Lhr, if true, are a waste of time IMO. Longer, and more of an effort then getting the train. But all I do is press buttons at the pointy end all day long so what do I know! |
In pre-COVID times, the routes from SOU to various destinations in northern England and Scotland were frequently very busy, with a large number of business users, together with a fair bit of ‘friends and families’ traffic.
To travel from the south coast to the north by rail involves journey times which are much, much longer than from London. For example, day return travel by rail from London to Manchester, Leeds and even Newcastle is a realistic proposition, and rail is a very viable alternative to flying. The situation from the south coast is very different, with the extended journey times making it virtually impossible. However, I guess we are now living in very different times and I no longer travel up and down the country for business on a regular business, and it’s very difficult to see the previous level of regional domestic air travel ever returning. |
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