|
I haven't heard anything more about an announcement timeline but it obviously now isn't today!
I did get sent a list of routes based on their slots at BHX and MAN though, just trying to find out if it's OK to post it. |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11192330)
I haven't heard anything more about an announcement timeline but it obviously now isn't today!
I did get sent a list of routes based on their slots at BHX and MAN though, just trying to find out if it's OK to post it. These are different from the normal pattern of training flights which operate e.g BHX-LPL-CWL-BHX. Today's non-ops all had BEExxT flight numbers. |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11192341)
FR24 was showing 4 local sorties (BHX-BHX) for this morning none of which seems to have happened. Perhaps press demo flights?
These are different from the normal pattern of training flights which operate e.g BHX-LPL-CWL-BHX. Today's non-ops all had BEExxT flight numbers. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11192350)
A number of circuits flown at BHX this morning.
|
DH8D
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11192359)
That will teach me for taking FR24 at face value!
In the end all six actually operated but 5 without a callsign on FR24, which I think confused it and it certainly did on one of the local arrivals site which only showed the one operating with the flight number and still does. In the meantime nothing bookable on the EI website for BHD - BHX, MAN etc from the end of March. BHX - BHD is offered at the end of March on Loganair and BA - I jest not BHX-ABZ-LHR-BHD :eek: Pete |
Having a bit of a bleak thought... are Flybe definitely going to launch ? One of the first lessons in finance is not to get emotionally involved and ignore what's already been spent. When appraising a project, ignore what's already happened as it can't be changed; think only of what cash needs to be committed in the future, and what return you expect on that yet-to-be-committed cash. If you expect a project to be a loss maker, it may be better just not to start the project at all and hand money back to lenders and investors... aka cut your losses instead of sinking further. A hedge fund will likely be very much aware of this concept
|
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11192765)
Having a bit of a bleak thought... are Flybe definitely going to launch ? One of the first lessons in finance is not to get emotionally involved and ignore what's already been spent. When appraising a project, ignore what's already happened as it can't be changed; think only of what cash needs to be committed in the future, and what return you expect on that yet-to-be-committed cash. If you expect a project to be a loss maker, it may be better just not to start the project at all and hand money back to lenders and investors... aka cut your losses instead of sinking further. A hedge fund will likely be very much aware of this concept
Hope for the sake of all those who have taken up employment with them that we're wrong. |
Why oh why oh why does this daily nonsense have to continue. None of you know what's happening. For christs sake stop speculating and WAIT
|
Originally Posted by bean
(Post 11192819)
Why oh why oh why does this daily nonsense have to continue. None of you know what's happening. For christs sake stop speculating and WAIT
|
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11192765)
..are Flybe definitely going to launch ?
|
Guys guys guys keep your hair on. This is a RUMOUR network. Its not the gospel word of god. Its a talking shop for ideas, thoughts, notions, rumours and ruminating. What will be will be with Flybe.
|
Originally Posted by Alteagod
(Post 11192982)
Guys guys guys keep your hair on. This is a RUMOUR network. Its not the gospel word of god. Its a talking shop for ideas, thoughts, notions, rumours and ruminating. What will be will be with Flybe.
|
Post No 1342...................This thread is now akin to airline passengers who, when given the reason for the delay to their flight, proceed to tell friends, family and media that they were never given any information. What they actually mean is ‘I was not told what I wanted to hear!’
|
Originally Posted by Local Variation
(Post 11192999)
Think the recent points being made are that the rumours and speculation in here have an underlying negative repetitive theme to them.
All the previous press releases talk of a launch in early 2022, so when nothing has been heard from BE by the start of March, hardly surprising that there is comment/speculation Flybe will serve key regions across the UK and EU with operations scheduled to begin in early 2022. |
The update I was given based on the slot information is below. I guess the start date plus any of the stuff below could easily change. On top of the health warning that this can and probably will change, this only covers flying at slot constrained UK airports so omits plans to fly between airports that aren't slot restricted. So if BHD-LPL, BHD-CWL etc etc are in the plan, they won't be listed here.
Birmingham-Paris CDG 1 x daily from 31 March (covering a W pattern also) Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March Birmingham-Edinburgh 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August and to 4 x daily from 15 September Birmingham-Glasgow 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August Birmingham-Isle of Man 1 x daily from 18 August Birmingham-Jersey 1 x weekly (Saturday) from 9 July to 17 September Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August Manchester-Southampton 2 x daily from 21 July |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11193024)
The update I was given based on the slot information is below. I guess the start date plus any of the stuff below could easily change. On top of the health warning that this can and probably will change, this only covers flying at slot constrained UK airports so omits plans to fly between airports that aren't slot restricted. So if BHD-LPL, BHD-CWL etc etc are in the plan, they won't be listed here.
Birmingham-Paris CDG 1 x daily from 31 March (covering a W pattern also) Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March - Emerald (details tbc) + easyJet to BFS Birmingham-Edinburgh 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August and to 4 x daily from 15 September - easyJet Birmingham-Glasgow 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August - easyJet Birmingham-Isle of Man 1 x daily from 18 August - Loganair Birmingham-Jersey 1 x weekly (Saturday) from 9 July to 17 September - Blue Islands and Jet2 Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August - Emerald (details tbc) + easyJet to BFS Manchester-Southampton 2 x daily from 21 July - Eastern Also, as per my bold comments in the quote, that's a lot of competition straight from the off... |
There are far more qualified folk on this forum than I to work this out, but can the schedule provided by 'Albert Hall' be covered by the following?
G-JEJX Currently undertaking training flights G-JECY Currently at EXT (Since 07 Jan on mx before being registered 10 Feb - Not flown since) G-JECP Currently at Wheeze since 15 Jun 20. Now in new Flybe Livery (Not yet registered) |
I also thought it was more than likely to be CDG-SOU but didn't have any basis beyond my thoughts on which to suggest it. And yes this does seem to be picking a fight in almost every possible direction.
Apparently they've been rather crass in managing their slots by trying to disguise what they're up to but using the old Flybe flight numbers for each new route which then makes their plans pretty obvious. If they wanted secrecy then that's a schoolboy error. |
Given the slot waivers that have been in place due to COVID, couldn’t they just be holding their historic slots in the same way as they have since the Administration?
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing around to keep us all guessing. |
Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun
(Post 11193072)
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing around to keep us all guessing.
It's realtively easy to fake some minor detail in a system, but those who try to disguise things heavily by putting very false information in record systems usually have a hard time both covering their tracks *and* making their tracks look plausible. In other words, you can sometimes get away with one fib, but lying repeatedly in a credible way is difficult When large amounts of fake info appear, there is usually something which doesn't pass a smell test and people start asking questions There are more than enough people on this website and the Internet who will cast their eye over public airline info for a large set of porkies to remain hidden for long |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11193096)
So you're suggesting the slots and routes in the system filed and booked with airports and Eurocontrol, the new handling agent engaged & founded and all the employees hired & training conducted, head office moved and established, 2x new bases, a website that's built (but not live), 2 aircraft registered with more on the way, MRO services agreed.. etc etc etc - is all for show? 😂😂 Log off for a while, eh! |
I’m strictly neutral in this debate but please could someone from the “pro Flybe faction” give a sensible explanation as to why flights are not on sale if the start date is still late March?
|
Originally Posted by willy wombat
(Post 11193354)
I’m strictly neutral in this debate but please could someone from the “pro Flybe faction” give a sensible explanation as to why flights are not on sale if the start date is still late March?
|
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11193024)
Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March
Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August I can only assume that they've successfully obtained their UK AOC, which is a lot earlier than expected as I'd read that it was due to happen sometime in June...? Wonder how this will change things for Flybe now... |
Originally Posted by jmdavies86
(Post 11193524)
According to Twitter (@SeanM1997), Emerald have now placed x6 routes from BHD on sale for S22 (inc. BHX & MAN). Both are due to start at the end of this month (BHX - 20th; MAN - 27th).
I can only assume that they've successfully obtained their UK AOC, which is a lot earlier than expected as I'd read that it was due to happen sometime in June...? Also see this post regarding their UK AOC.... it's not expected until the summer. https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...l#post11180748 |
I thought his question was a reasonable one - how does Emerald going on sale change things for Flybe's plans. It's on the right thread as far as I can see?
|
Originally Posted by RogueOne
(Post 11193570)
You're in the wrong thread. You want the Emerald one.
I was also aware that Emerald were not expected to get their UK AOC until the summer, however they must have been granted it now because they wouldn't be able to start marketing/selling seats on domestic flights within the UK that are due to start at the end of this month if they don't have one - I've not read/seen any kind of press release or news article to suggest anything has happened, hence I was surprised - I agree though that this particular part probably should (and will!) get discussed in the Emerald thread. |
Originally Posted by jmdavies86
(Post 11193598)
They must have been granted it now because they wouldn't be able to start marketing/selling seats on domestic flights within the UK that are due to start at the end of this month if they don't have one
Every time your brain has a thought, you don't need to open your laptop and type it on pprune. Do a bit of research first. |
Originally Posted by RogueOne
(Post 11193998)
Unless as per their press release the flights are operated by Aer Lingus Regional. Do a bit of research first.
|
Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
(Post 11194046)
Their flights are not operated by Aer Lingus Regional, as that is not a licenced airline (merely a brand name). If you had read the press release, you would see that the flights will be operated by Emerald.
|
Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
(Post 11194046)
Their flights are not operated by Aer Lingus Regional, as that is not a licenced airline (merely a brand name). If you had read the press release, you would see that the flights will be operated by Emerald.
🤑 |
Originally Posted by RogueOne
(Post 11193998)
Unless as per their press release the flights are operated by Aer Lingus Regional.
Every time your brain has a thought, you don't need to open your laptop and type it on pprune. Do a bit of research first. |
I'd heard it said that the new CEO in Flybe had something of a way about him but it's clearly also contagious.
Latest I'm getting is that start of flying delayed until 11 April at the earliest and may go back further. Delay related to finalising schedules based on uncertainty over slots although that bit is third hand news. |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11194126)
I'd heard it said that the new CEO in Flybe had something of a way about him but it's clearly also contagious.
Latest I'm getting is that start of flying delayed until 11 April at the earliest and may go back further. Delay related to finalising schedules based on uncertainty over slots although that bit is third hand news. |
An article in the Independent today. Doesn't really say anything more.
Flybe: what is happening with the resurrected regional airline? (msn.com) |
Members of Flybe’s new team are: Philip Saunders, chief commercial officer. Saunders has held senior leadership roles in commercial, sales, marketing, and distribution at seven other airlines in the UK and around the world including British Airways, Deutsche BA, SN Brussels Airlines, Caribbean Airlines, Air Malta, Kuwait Airways, and South African Airways. In addition to leading highly successful commercial transformations at these various national airlines, he was also a senior executive at Travelport in the travel technology industry. John Jackson, chief operations and customer service officer. Jackson will be responsible for delivering operational excellence and world-class customer service across the airline by leading Flybe’s Airports, Flight Operations, Cabin Crew, People, and IT teams. He brings with him more than 30 years of industry experience having held previous senior roles with Continental, United Airlines, dnata, and Ravn Air Group in Alaska. Ron Karger, chief technical officer. Karger has more than 32 years experience in aviation maintenance and technical operations with previous roles including senior leadership positions at Air Canada Jazz, WestJet, WestJet Encore, and Pacific Coastal Airlines. As the director of maintenance at Encore, he oversaw the airline’s growth from start-up status to a fleet with forty-two Dash 8-400 aircraft. Jim Comer, director of finance. Comer is a chartered management accountant with 20 years experience in the aviation industry. Involved with the previous Flybe Ltd. since 2001, he has held roles in Treasury, FP&A, and Finance Business partnering, and he also played an important role in several pivotal projects including the acquisition and integration of BA Connect in 2007, the successful listing of Flybe on the London Stock Exchange in 2010, and the successful sale of Flybe’s business and assets in April 2021 to Cyrus Capital Partners L.P. CEO, Dave Pflieger, said of the new additions: “We are extremely excited to have such accomplished industry leaders joining Flybe’s management team. Each one brings a wealth of professional experience and knowledge that will prove invaluable as we look to launch the new Flybe, but also create a strong community focused airline that people love.” https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/west...ngham-take-off |
UK Aviation News are speculating on a May launch:
https://ukaviation.news/flybe-2-0-st...le-may-launch/ |
Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 11198429)
UK Aviation News are speculating on a May launch:
https://ukaviation.news/flybe-2-0-st...le-may-launch/ |
Given the recent announcements and recruitment activity my money is on a late March sales launch flying late April
|
I’d given up posting the updates I kept getting on start dates as there were so many of them. Latest news seems in line with that suggestion, announcement on Wednesday for flying from late April. Issues with slots apparently at the root of the deferrals and the person dealing with this has left - not sure if that’s the cause of the problems or a consequence of them.
|
| All times are GMT. The time now is 00:31. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.