Thanks for that, a tough time is indeed guaranteed.
Not sure how they plan to fit back into the market and build a business given majority of routes now taken by competitors

If rumours are to be believed, thy could be finalising the sale to one of the companies approached late last year, such as Blue Islands. It could then explain why Blue Islands have ended their EXT - MAN operation as has been noted on the Exeter page. Run flybe to focus on the U.K and Blue Islands for the CIs. Could even be a joint effort with Aurigny and Loganair as they're all in some form of partnership.

That would be an interesting development. There had been discussions that the regional airlines in the UK would create further alliances with each other. It all sounded as if a move towards the creation of a single regional airline operator, albeit perhaps individual airlines still operating under their own brand etc.
Will be interesting to see what happens. Given they are presently recruiting staff perhaps we might hear something in the near future

Rumour at BHX is start date mid March. Also believe a 3rd aircraft is due imminently

Blue Islands needed loans from Jersey in 2020 and I don’t think they have ever made much profit and their owners wanted to sell them off at one point. I think there would also be regulatory issues with co-ordinating schedules and reducing competition before any sale was announced. As for involvement of the other players - Loganair has no need and is arguably a stronger brand than Flybe now and Aurigny is forever loss making and bailed out by Guernsey.

Likely to be end of March when Summer schedules start so should hear something very soon.

In Blue Islands defence most businesses in 2020 received some form of support from governments around the world, airlines specifically had some fairly high profile loans. Maybe this has enabled them to be in a much stronger position now than before covid making new ventures possible.

Aurigny are owned by the States of Guernsey so not bailed out, they're just run as what they are, a state owned airline offering connectivity to the people of Guernsey. Yes they receive large funds, but its just essentially another state department with a given budget.

Ok. Let me phrase it differently. Aurigny has never (or very rarely) made money. It’s one thing subsidising it for their local residents, it would be another thing altogether to start buying another likely loss making carrier. Aurigny has a given budget but goes beyond that, making bigger than expected losses and has to go asking for more money. That is a bailout. Just like when the Gov gave TFL more money it was explicitly called a bailout.

Has Blue Islands ever made a profit?

There is no need for any of these carriers to buy Flybe. There are few barriers to entry on the likely routes so if they have £45+ million laying around they would be better off just fighting Flybe and winning.

My understanding of this is that the loan wasn't given because Blue Islands needed it to survive, but the Government of Jersey gave Blue Islands the loan in order for them "...to become a 'base carrier' for the island for at least the next 10 years" [according the BBC]. This is probably because they were really badly exposed when Flybe 1.0 went into administration.

I'm sure that someone will be able to correct me though if I'm wrong.

This proposal is unlikely to be helpful for Flybe, Loganair, Eastern etc:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60197462

Reading a bit further could this acually be good news for the domestic carriers? It would seem to limit the payout to 100% of the fare paid which is far less than under EU261 although they would obviously be on the hook for delays of a shorter duration than currently.
This is far more equitable than the ridiculously punitive 261 conditions.

I was working on the basis that, due to distances involved, domestic AOG instances would be much easier to cover within the existing 3 hour deadline than the proposed new 1 hour limit.

job ads have been updated today

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search...on=1&pageNum=0

I hope that the compensation would be based on the total amount charged to the consumer.

From the link posted:

Have just received an email from "[email protected]" inviting me to update my contact details. Looks as if its going to happen, only question is when and apart from BHX, where from?

Well there appears to be alot of their existing BHD are being recruited! Potential second Base at Belfast to add to their Birmingham base??

Interesting to see of they announce BHD base given Emerald Airlines (Aer Lingus Regional) plans to set up a base there as soon as they receive their UK AOC!!

I’ve seen people on social media claiming this breaks GDPR rules given it’s supposedly a new company? Anyone know if it is? Someone had tweeted that they had made a complaint to the Information Commissioner.

I imagine that given the "new" Flybe bought the database from the administrators, and they are now "inviting people to update their contact details" with, I'm sure somewhere towards the foot of the email, an "unsubscribe" link they'll be fine. Had they simply started bombarding the entire database with spam then I suspect things might have be different.

I assume that this database update is a prelude to the launch of their Summer 2022 programme, though actually I'm slightly surprised that since slots must have been applied for at BHX at least, unless they have entered spurious destinations, there hasn't been a "leak" from someone subscribing to ACL data by now. It would be naughty to start selling Summer 2022 flights without departure and arrival slots I would have thought - not that that bothers the likes of Jet2 and TUI flogging 2023 Summer already!

I've had an email too. Last flight I did with them was May 2019 BHX-DUS.

I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes. I n past times I worked with the person who seems to be heading up the ground teams recruitment and they are a very experienced and credible aviation professional.

I also know a number of people who've started their cabin crew training.

The only strange thing is the lack of any news about when they're starting and where, not even any social media teasers which suggests it might be a big one off all over the press launch?

I think they will reappear but as a much smaller and simplified version of BE Mark 1.

https://www.cityam.com/flybe-pilots-...y-again/?amp=1

Flybe is under fire for it’s “unusually aggressive” non-disclosure agreements for staff about their working conditions.

I hope I’m proved wrong, but sadly I don’t see this ending (starting?) well.

Lots of professionals desperate to make it work (just like last time), managed by people with different agendas. This isn’t Flybe of old (probably a good thing), but a business first and foremost and an airline second. I think that come 2 weeks post launch, most crews will be wondering what they’ve joined.

But I’ll say it again, I hope I’m proved wrong.

Totslly agree with you......managed by people with different agenda's . Theyve messed around with folks lives once already and there doing it again with all this speculation firstly that cyras want to sell. In reality there is no need for another airline to buy it secondly I already know through the grapevine that one employee left after the 1st week. There exact words I know it's going to be a success but theyve jumped ship to another airline. If you know its going to be a success why leave....is it because you have already seen the cracks???i

.....or maybe just got a better offer?

Honestly, you've never had an instance of someone taking a job then not appearing on day 1, or leaving after 24 hours, or perhaps after a week or two??? I have seen all these a number of times in my working life, it isn't unusual and may or may not have anything to do with whether a business will succeed or fail.

I fully understand and sympathise with people who lost their jobs, or part of their pensions on the back of the demise of Flybe Mk.1 but it would be better if the analysis were less tabloid. Connecting the departure of one individual within a short space of time with the business failing verges on the sort of "click-bait" headlines that plague the Google News that I simply can't get off my phone (I probably could but I'm not that IT savvy!).

Unfortunately it's Pprune vs Flybe. Hundreds of pages of drivel over many years. It's not going to stop. Too many people with agendas/blinkered opinions

No they haven't and no they aren't. This is a totally different company, a totally different airline, with a wholly new management team!!! Again more ignorance and bias just because the name is the same. The name was bought. That's it.

New CEO, Board of Directors and one singular owner rather than 3 investors aiming to get their pound of flesh and also try to please shareholders.

I'm staggered how some can't get this through their thick heads. Perhaps it's jealousy, perhaps it's fear - because some of you work for the competition that are about to be beaten, or have been wronged by another airline that happened to share the same name 2 years ago.

Except they keep saying "we're back". Except it's been bought by the people who owned it last time. A totally different airline except for the name, colour and aircraft. If its that different why not come clean and re-brand?

It's different in that they couldn't keep the old AOC they tried so hard for and haven't paid their debts.

It's stretching credibility a little thinly to claim there is no connection when the sole shareholder today is one of the three who took over Flybe, secured its lendings against Flybe's assets and put itself in a "no lose" position when many others had no such choice or luxury. I don't believe there is anything thick-headed about people being clear on that count.

Everything I'm hearing is that BHD will be the first base with operations of any scale, and there will be very little flying at BHX. They sound to be pretty much stuck with having to operate the Heathrow remedy slots or else they are lost. I don't know whether you could or should put those two things together, but even if BHD-LHR isn't on the cards then it'll be interesting to see how they fly the LHR slots without losing their shirts doing it.

This statement is contradicted by Zombie flybe who claim they're "back". Flybe themselves view this as a "relauch", they use the term "return". Having it both ways isn't a good start in terms of honesty and transparency. It's quite unpleasant to gloat that airlines which worked hard to survive COVID are going to get "eaten" by a firm who went bust and left a trail of debt in their wake. To say with a straight face this is a "totally different airline" is dishonesty IMHO.

I'm sure other airlines are absolutely petrified of flybe coming back😂😂 t

1200 Posts and still going. I've seen many a thread being closed/locked for less.

In your earlier post you were talking about how Flybe is going to eat the competition so those jobs don’t matter? Effectively making Flybe’s jobs neutral and they will replace others.

It’s not just unreasoned bashing of Flybe2. The warning signs are being reported elsewhere - The Telegraph reporting the owners were already trying to flog it off shows how long their interest in it is. BALPA are complaining about the “unusually aggressive” terms crew were being made to sign.

Perhaps I’ve missed something, but with all the current recruitment going on for the refreshed Flybe, I’m amazed they haven’t announced a launch date with routes etc, so Joe Public can buy a ticket, that would at least create some cash flow - presumably, they must have deep pockets as their cash in the bank right now, is going only one way. I wish them luck.

It is indeed a new legal entity. But that is owned by a company which was the main shareholder in the previous company and which so far has been the main beneficiary of the payouts from the administrators. You can't escape that no matter how you try to dress that up. It is not for me to tell you what you should and shouldn't accept (and vice versa) but I'd be surprised if you can't see there are some very angry people out there about this. Those in the former BRAL pension scheme are firmly in that group. I can't see why you are so anxious to shout down their views.

What's that saying? Oh yes "follow the money"...

Does anybody know how unsubscribe from this forum please....thank you .

If it is a new company they've just performed a serious GDPR breech, I work for a Train Operating Company and at the end of one franchise we lost 90% of our customer database. Unless everyone contacted had ticked a box saying something along the lines of "yes please pass my details to a new company if you go to the wall", they'll have a problem.

There is, as I see it, a fundamental difference here. If train operating company "A" comes to the end of their franchise, and a new company "B" becomes the new operating company the business hasn't been sold. In the case of Flybe the administrators of Flybe Mk.1 sold their business (they remain the operator of the failed business) to another company including (one assumes) the customer database. If the new company had unofficially "obtained" the customer database they would likely be on much thinner ice.

As it is Flybe appear to have contacted their subscribers on the database they have bought asking for their permission to send them information which seems more than reasonable to my (non legal) brain.