Its fair to say that regardless your view point it fairly complicated and not simply its a new company v its not a new company.

The bigger picture is where does Flybe Mk2 really fit into the domestic flying landscape? There focus seems to be (from staff recruitment) be BHD, but from press info BHX. BHX is currently well served for the climate and no one knows what's around the corner, will business travel pick up? BHD will be very well served by Emerald in the form of Aer Lingus Regional. IAG are working with the smaller regional carriers, BA increased codeshare with Loganair for instance. Blue Islands, Aurigny and Loganair all working together. No doubt they'll be pitching to Emerald also (maybe indicated by the work LM is doing with IAG). Not forgetting Eastern, its no secret their owner has deep deep pockets. All 5 current regional airlines are fairly well financed, pretty much independently or state owned and have always fared when interacting original flybe.

So where does that leave Flybe? If things return to Pre pandemic levels then maybe there is a need for a 6th regional airline. But what if they dont? How many people will actually want to travel for work as OFTEN as they did before? Maybe instead of weekly trips its bi weekly or even just monthly. In the meantime other airlines, notably easyjet have moved in to some of the markets and do offer a good product. Yes other reasons to travel will no doubt bounce back but is that enough to sustain 6 airlines? Theres a difference between connecting Islands and remote communities Vs flying from and to fairly well connected places. No question theres a need for NI, Scottish, Channel Island, Isle of Man, Ireland etc flights but internal England?

Ignorant comment. The beneficiaries of any payout are the creditors. Cyrus had to write off their investment in Flybe as did Virgin

Of course. Cyrus want to sell it off and realize their investment .
THEY ARE VENTURE CAPITALISTS

That doesn’t mean they won’t be looking to recoup that debt together with the cash they’re burning now and will burn buying market share.

Might explain the grossly inflated value touted in the Telegraph for a company with no trading history.

Of course they want to make money. It's called capitalism!

As yet there is no confirmation they will even make it into the skies!

I would expect that to change sometime soon.

The NDA thing is bollocks, single sentence in my contract about not releasing confidential info not already in the public domain. Hardly a watertight NDA and certainly nothing about discussing T&Cs - fairly standard employment contract content.

So BALPA is lying?

Who knows, I might be lying or they could be, they could be mistaken or I could be mistaken or both of us could be lying or mistaken... who knows.
Perhaps there are conspiracy theories regarding some of the stories that have appeared in the press about Flybe and its being briefed against. Who knows?

If you look at my previous posts I would suggest theres a good chance I am looking at my contract right now.

You'll just have to decide for yourself, either way it matters not.

Another possibility is that your contract is different to those of some others - we simply can't say. But if this is rubbish, there would be every reason for Flybe to say that it's complete rubbish, and then the bit in the paper probably wouldn't have even made it as far as being printed in the first place. I think it says that they declined to comment.

Why they would have different contracts for different people in operational roles I simply don't understand. There would be different contracts for more senior people I suspect.

A more like scenario is that there are bitter people (plenty on here) who have got employment with Flybe and are now trying to cause trouble for their employer, though, to be honest, I fail to see why anyone would do that unless they had managed to find a better offer from elsewhere. Mischief making seems favourite.

Thing is though, whilst BALPA are many things to many people... why would they tarnish their reputation so easily / quickly if it wasn't true? Surely they have seen the contract? Hence why they're kicking off?

What have Balpa actually said?

First Cabin crew just completed their course and there's a press call early next week.

Dash 8 was training again today out of BHX, has been for the last few days after a break in activity.

Announcement next week will hopefully put to bed some of the rumours - and of course allow the armchair CEOs to explain why this, that or the other route won't or can't work and how Flybe will be gone by (date to be announced)!

I Can't wait for the armchair ceos comments NOT

Good for Mrs Etops, seriously

You know most people (even skeptics want them and all airlines to succeed). You can debate the viability of routes etc and the space in the market without needing to resort to name calling. Plenty of people on here work in business and have understanding about the market and the travel market.

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I don't doubt that, but equally many seem not to understand how businesses generally work.

Just let them get on with it. The market will decide the future

I have known quite a few airline CEOs, real ones not armchair and there are a few of them whose eyes glaze over at the mention of finance.

I seem to remember it being said some years ago that pilots shouldn't run airlines, but then there is a case for saying accountants shouldn't either!

Did the press call take place ? If not, when is the new date for it ?

Well that’s the million dollar question! We keep being told by the (new) Flybe fans that everything will be revealed next week………but next week never seems to come.

Surely they can’t be planning a launch for S22, that window is quickly going as people are making plans now for summer. I wonder what their daily cash burn is right now with all the salaries outgoing with no income. Not insignificant I wouldn’t have thought.

Alternatively there won’t be much start up required if they are only going to be serving 2 or 3 routes initially!

Teams was probably down!!!

First Belfast crew have graduated and third ‘frame arrives shorty so I would expect some sort of publicity soon.

Be great to see Flybe back on the BHD-CWL route in the future !

Is there a Flybe announcement to be made at Belfast City this week?

A return is what we all expect the question is when?

I'm hearing that a Flybe announcement should be before month end but probably not this week - so that rather points towards Monday 28th! In the same snippet, I'd also heard there was some issue with the Heathrow slots but don't profess to know exactly what.

And On and On it goes!
Could somebody please wake me up when something actually happens!!!

What’s not covered from Belfast now that a resurrection of BE could go after - Doncaster, Norwich? Or are they planning to bop up and slug it out toe to toe with the other regional airlines who are now operating these routes at BHD, two years after Flybe folded? If that’s the plan, hope the goldmine runs deep.

Don’t forget Cardiff

It may not be that simple. Over the weekend, I looked to book a BHD-MAN sector for mid-April, only to find that no carrier has flights on sale. The Aer Lingus A320 is gone ... presumably back to Dublin. But the replacement Emerald AT76 services are not yet loaded for bookings. It is possible that FlyBe 2.0 could launch flights from BHD before Emerald does. They're both new operations. I'm not predicting which will enter the market first, just pointing out that neither are on sale yet - so FlyBe could still be the one with first-mover advantage on some former Aer Lingus routes if they launch before Emerald do.

Of course, I acknowledge that EasyJet operate BFS-MAN throughout. But those routes operated by the Aer Lingus A320 from BHD may be left temporarily vacant.

If EIR do take up every route they've announced they will then there won't be any gap in service it will go from from one to the other carrier and I've even seen it suggested they'd use damp leasing of BA cityflyer a/c if needed.

I'd virtually bet on the fact the reason they've not announced yet is it's a game of cat and mouse and strongly suspect they'll not go head to head on any route. EZY were already doing BFS-MAN Ozzy before BE went bust, definitely room for two carriers in the market - not sure three would work for long. Also if BE launched BHD-MAN and BHX as is being suggested that's basically the two aircraft they have spoken for, it would need a minimum of three daily rotations to give them any sort of commercial edge.

They might offer BHD-LPL. Its unserved and the BFS-LPL route is a very busy one, so they could see an opportunity there.

3rd aircraft acquired apparently (JECP) according to Jethro's

EMA would be a good choice. Flybe use to have 3 or 4 rotations a day and always busy. Currently only served from International by Easy 4 times a week and nothing currently scheduled beyond end of March.

I think you're right there. Even though business travel may never return to pre-pandemic levels there must surely be a demand for 2 x daily M-F morning and evening service between Belfast and EMA to serve what remaining business travel demand there is. You could say the same for LBA and CWL. BHX and MAN may be less certain, depends a lot on how quickly Emerald get their act together (and indeed how long it takes Flybe to do likewise!).

I suspect that if Flybe are to commence at the season changeover at the end of March they'll need to have their hands on at least 5 Dash 8s by then, but time alone will tell.

mart901 - Which bit of my post led you to believe that I was unaware of EasyJet's history on BFS-MAN? I even referred to them. Please don't be condescending like that. Most people using this forum are or have been in the industry and are well aware of the basics. In my case, I've been using (and working with) flights between Belfast and MAN for years.

The point I made was that after Aer Lingus A320 service is withdrawn towards the end of March, nothing is on sale on BHD-MAN. Not Emerald, not FlyBe 2.0, not BA Cityflyer. None of them. So, as I said, FlyBe 2.0 does still have the opportunity to be first mover as the route resumes. Meanwhile, if any of them want some actual bookings (the important bit) they need to open their planned services for reservations. They won't be getting my mid-April booking anyway. I've made other arrangements. April travellers are making their plans now. If any carrier plans to serve the route by then (and perhaps they don't intend to), then they need to be accepting bookings already. They're probably best advised to hold off until at least May at this point.