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LBAflyer22 20th Oct 2019 10:41


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10598922)
Which is great news for those affected by the demise of TCX, but this alone means nothing, people can always change types.

Until there is an official announcement, it remains a rumour.

Jet2 have got where they are by being very careful, this seems a bit too risky to me. I cannot imagine Philip Meeson doing this.

It does remain a rumour.

I would say the PM wants his business to grow and knows the difficulties the aviation industry is currently having; MAX grounded, 737-800 mid life market dried up and now an opportunity to expand into the old TC playgrounds of MAN and BHX with GLA/NCL/EMA thrown in for good measure. It will be too tempting. With this in mind; no TC around anymore i'm sure they've thought long and hard and believe it is a good enough opportunity not to miss. The B757's are ageing, the spares market is limited, and this is the perfect opportunity, i would say, for the airline to see if the A321 (220) fits within their fleet. They've had experience of running 2 separate fleets side by side (one large one small) so whilst adding a 3rd in the mix in the short term seems madness if it pays off as a replacement of the 757 it is a success.

Having recently just seen their share price - i trust that whatever is going on in the group and at board level is approved by many. Their current share price is £12.36 versus TUI share price of £10.49.

JSCL 20th Oct 2019 12:04

Share price is irrelevant.

TUI - 589 million shares in circulation.

Dart Group - 149 million shares in circulation.

TUI still remains worth some £4bn+ more than Dart. Share price alone is an indicator of nothing.

J3elli 20th Oct 2019 13:45

It has been announced internally to operational teams that 4 ex TCX A321’s have been outright purchased. The recent roadshows have indeed meant that recruitment of ex TCX Airbus flight deck and engineers had happened. This is has not been communicated in an official communication however this happening.

The 4 A321’s will be based at MAN. Originally it was looked into to keeping the 3 757’s due for retirement however some of the frames need heavy mx so will still be disposed of. Last I heard GLSAH will remain in in the fleet after some work over winter, AG and AI are still going.

The A321’s and remaining 757 will allow a generous capacity increase at MAN, and will also allow a couple of 737’s to be redistributed to BHX and STN.

Titan will acquire another A321 to be based at STN. Next summer there will be A321’s and STN, BHX and MAN.

It’s apparent that the last few years of measuring the A321’s economics at BHX & STN has paid off. By the end of 2020, GLA, EDI, NCL, BFS, EMA and LBA will all be 737-800 exclusive bases. STN & BHX will be 737-800/A321 bases and MAN 737-800, A321, A330 and 757 whilst they are slowly parted out over the coming years.

The 757 lovers need to accept they are all old and the A321 can do everything the 757 does for Jet2, with much better economics and dispatch reliability. Any long haul charters and NY flights will operate on the A330. The important word there is long haul charters, not scheduled services. Jet2 is very cautious and those hoping for Florida and Caribbean shouldn’t waste any time thinking about it.

Jet2 is no going to put on sale anywhere near the capacity lost by TCX. It will add a handful of extra aircraft at each of its core markets STN, BHX and MAN and carry on growing other bases by tweaking schedules and making use of the Spanish bases Aircraft to allow extra rotations by UK bases to fit in.

Yeehaw22 20th Oct 2019 13:48

"The B757's are ageing, the spares market is limited"

Ageing, yes. But what are you basing the lack of spares on? If there was a shortage then no one would still be flying them.

redED 20th Oct 2019 16:24


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10598890)
If they are advertising for Flight Crew, they are doing it very very very quietly.......

There’s no need for them to advertise, recruitment has never been closed for type rated folk with plenty of applicants.


Originally Posted by irishlad06 (Post 10598893)


many ex TCX flight deck have already had telephone interviews including TRE’s.

Telephone interviews leading to assessment days with 1 on 1 interviews, group exercise and sim assessments all having happened in the last couple of weeks. They’re moving much quicker than they did after Monarch’s demise.


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10598907)
Weren't they aiming for a single fleet type ultimately of just 738?
Now we have a 738, 757, A321, A330...
Complexities of subfleet crewing, ageing types, maintenance etc. Didn't Airtours struggle with that?

Of course they weren’t, two types maybe with 73 and a larger wide body but all 73? No chance, not with slot constraints as they are these days.

Antonio Montana 20th Oct 2019 18:07


Originally Posted by redED (Post 10599227)
There’s no need for them to advertise, recruitment has never been closed for type rated folk with plenty of applicants.

To clarify redED, Jet2 are advertising, massivly, for 737 Non and Type Rated, F/O's and Capts.
There is NO and i mean ZERO mention of Airbus
Hope this helps
AM

Ivan aromer 20th Oct 2019 19:02


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10599272)
To clarify redED, Jet2 are advertising, massivly, for 737 Non and Type Rated, F/O's and Capts.
There is NO and i mean ZERO mention of Airbus
Hope this helps
AM

Remember that the wheels fitted to the Jet2 goal posts are industry leaders in terms of speed of movement!

flybar 20th Oct 2019 19:58


Originally Posted by Yeehaw22 (Post 10599128)
"The B757's are ageing, the spares market is limited"

Ageing, yes. But what are you basing the lack of spares on? If there was a shortage then no one would still be flying them.

The three ex China Southern air frames mentioned are a different spec to the rest hence their potentially early demise

mmeteesside 20th Oct 2019 21:07


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10599272)
To clarify redED, Jet2 are advertising, massivly, for 737 Non and Type Rated, F/O's and Capts.
There is NO and i mean ZERO mention of Airbus
Hope this helps
AM

Maybe no need to advertise - there’s a large amount of TCX crews available after all

N707ZS 20th Oct 2019 21:43


Originally Posted by flybar (Post 10599344)
The three ex China Southern air frames mentioned are a different spec to the rest hence their potentially early demise

Some of the others have more hours on them especially A and B.

ib26uk 20th Oct 2019 23:17

When did Jet2 STOP flying domestic flights from Manchester
Years ago I remember flying with them on a 737-300 from Manchester to Edinburgh and from Gatwick to Manchester?

Kestrel 21st Oct 2019 05:29

I reckon it’ll be more than 4x 321 and maybe more 330’s starting Summer 2020

chaps1954 21st Oct 2019 07:12

ib26uk it was several years ago cannot remember exactly when but probably 5 or 6 years

Plane.Silly 21st Oct 2019 07:30


Originally Posted by ib26uk (Post 10599457)
When did Jet2 STOP flying domestic flights from Manchester
Years ago I remember flying with them on a 737-300 from Manchester to Edinburgh and from Gatwick to Manchester?

The domestic flights were a stop gap to build up the company profile, and also to improve utilisation

The jet2 model wouldn't work now. The morning and Afternoon wave of flights are timed perfect to maximise the utilisation now, unlike before, where they would have had spare gaps available year round

I would also guess it's the same reason they dropped the work for Royal Mail, as they needed their planes on the more profitable holidays routes

pholling 21st Oct 2019 08:11


Originally Posted by Kestrel (Post 10599573)
I reckon it’ll be more than 4x 321 and maybe more 330’s starting Summer 2020


4xA321s only wouldn't make sense to put on the AoC and develop a mtc. However, if the plan were more in the longer-term these would make sense.

irishlad06 21st Oct 2019 09:23


Originally Posted by pholling (Post 10599648)
4xA321s only wouldn't make sense to put on the AoC and develop a mtc. However, if the plan were more in the longer-term these would make sense.

Obviously they see the a321 as a b757 replacement for them. Can see them by 2020 or 2021 maybe taking one or two a330’s themselves in house if the economics work.

DjerbaDevil 21st Oct 2019 10:53


Originally Posted by pholling (Post 10599648)
4xA321s only wouldn't make sense to put on the AoC and develop a mtc. However, if the plan were more in the longer-term these would make sense.

Probably the long term planning is the idea. BREXIT must be weighing heavily on decision making in the boardroom. The Withdrawal Agreement, that has taken 3 years to negotiate and pass through Parliament with no success so far, is only the beginning or tip of the iceberg. After the WA the UK has until December 2020 to negotiate the "Free" Trade Agreement with the EU. This date can be extended an extra 2 years but the application must be made to the EU by July 2020 and probably Mr. Johnson won't be willing to do so.

Trade Agreements take many years to negotiate, some can take 20 years or more. The recent trade agreement between the EU and Canada took about 9 years from the start of negotiations and finally signing between the parties concerned. Hence the possibility that the UK will eventually leave the EU without a Trade Deal of any kind is possible.

It makes sense therefore that JET2 are only purchasing 4 x A321s to replace some of their B757s and in the event that business in the UK in general goes belly up due to BREXIT, they have another 20 aircraft that are leased or old enough to retire to be able to downsize to cope with a possible future considerable reduction in travellers.

brian_dromey 21st Oct 2019 11:08

The A321 is no different to the 757, in terms of having two types within the fleet. Although the 737 and 757 are Boeing, they have very little, in common. If Jet2 feel the need for something bigger than the 738, they need the A321 or 737-900ER/9MAX. They have had the A321 wet-leased for quite a few years now and the 757s aren't getting any younger. With type-rated crews and maintenance seeking new opportunities at MAN, there seems no better time to acquire the expertise and integrate it into the company. Much like when Channel Express bought those Ansett 737s all those years ago.

nowhereasfiled 21st Oct 2019 11:41

They’ve already got cabin crew trained on Airbus that work on the Smartlynx and Titan aircraft

brian_dromey 21st Oct 2019 12:02


Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled (Post 10599757)
They’ve already got cabin crew trained on Airbus that work on the Smartlynx and Titan aircraft

I was thinking of operational and flight-deck crews. Presumably there are a number of management, training pilots, training programmes and maintenance regimes needed for each fleet type, which would not be required with a wet-lease. After the demise of Thomas Cook many of these people may be looking for new jobs. If they have families, partners and other commitments in Manchester, brining that experience to Jet2 could be a win for both parties.


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