Given the market they operate it, I wonder what else he's thinking on? A fleet roll over to the ATR72? Or has he gotten airline CEO fever and decided the future is jets?
The thing that I didn't understand was they had a new fleet of Q400s they swapped for second hand ones when the money was tight having run our of money operating er....jets! If their market is UK domestic non loco niche regional European, being unable to make money with the Q400 may say more about flybe than the aircraft.

:} stating the obvious CEO is female and definitely a she! -

Do i hear the distant chant of the PC brigade...
Nice knowing you J32 :)

You'd have to be on a hell of a roll to place an order for 31 new aircraft of any description, or have demonstrated a consistent propensity for making profits. Can't really say Flybe fit into either category at the moment.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with a 'chant of the PC brigade'!

The fact that 'he' was used twice in the post concerning the CEO of Flybe was incorrect as it's quite well known that the current CEO of Flybe is a 'she' so nothing about being PC regarding the correction.

My boss is a 'she' not a 'he' so I refer to her as such nothing PC about that.

'Nice knowing you Plane Silly' :-)

Perhaps the last word of your username is actually appropriate for you!

Is the E195 generally an expensive aircraft to operate or is it just the lease costs that BE had that made them lose money?
With the Q400 fleet they replaced more expensive ones with cheaper second hand ones, could they not have done that with the E-jets?

The E175 is often seen on routes that the Q400 can easily do, just with 10 more seats, and the E175 is replacing the E195 on routes that need a jet, but with 30 less seats. From an outsiders view, it doesn't make sense.

What's the second hand market for E195's now the C-series is growing?

The 195 issue is the lease deal, it is crippling, that's a fact. The 175 lease deal isn't amazing but it's workable - just.
As for the comments about profitability and obtaining the C Series from DC3 Dave, that's not really relevant, the relevance is the lease deal because Flybe wouldn't be purchasing them, if you can get a lease deal for less than the current lease deals then it's a win/win. As for whether the 31 orders ends up at Flybe I very much doubt it. The CS100 holds 108 passengers, the Dash 8 holds 78, that's an increase in capacity of 28%, it would be commercial suicide to put that amount of seats into an already saturated market (because the fleet replacement program will be predominantly be for the Q400's) but then what do I know.

If Flybe are going to replace the Q400s then it would be with ATRs or Q400s I'd have thought. As for the E195s maybe if Stobart Air buys the remaining ones then possibly Flybe could lease them back at a better deal? At CWL the E195 is quite handy for the likes of Faro Rome and Verona.

@Canberra

It's all in jest. It's amazing how offended people can be on the internet and thought it's be only a matter of time before someone called J32 out on it.

As the kids say, "Chillax"

Apologies, I had forgotten Saad Haamad had moved on. Christine is of course, a woman.
Personally, I identify as a black lesbian transexual which makes my error even worse.

https://www.flybe.com/media/management-team/

Flybe were paying about 50% more per month than an average lease for an A320.

An amazing deal made by old Frenchy and his lap dog.

With Flybe trying to focus ever more on core profitable routes, the ATR or Q400 will surely be a replacement for existing Dash as they are fit for purpose. E195 are departing the scene fairly soon and might not be replaced as I could forsee Flybe exiting the sun routes and they would still have 15 x E175 to continue with high density routes domestically and to cities in mainland Europe. The spanner in the works of course is the charter work that seems to be increasing so god only knows what equipment they would use for this, prime example being E195 SOU - Skiathos!

... you have to ask who were they leasing them from. my guess would be Walker Trust companies. Offshore.

I think they'll concentrate the jets on CWL and sun routes out of SOU and EXT and charters. They'll leave the rest to Q400s.

Once the E195's are gone, the sun routes from SOU could be in trouble as I don't believe the E175 operate all that well in summer due to field performance!?

Another FlyBE Dash with technical issues today, holding over Belfast Lough. FR24 says G-JECR

Diverted to Prestwick

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-jecr#1024af87

I flew on G-JECR on Sunday, and there seemed to be an issue with (at least) one of the engines, as they were both shut down and restarted twice before our departure to MAN.

Divert had nothing to do with engine

Was a flap issue

I think that's doing a bit of a disservice to French. Over the past 10yrs, the likes of FR and EZY have dumped large numbers of 737/319's onto the second hand market, driving down lease rates on these types which now makes the E95 deal appear expensive.

Some carriers seem quite happy with they E190's, BA, Finnair, and then there are those who were keen to get rid, Virgin Australia, Delta. Even launch customer JetBlue seems to be looking for a way out, reportedly due to their high maintenance cost amongst other reasons. We could see lease rates fall if a similar glut start to appear....mind you, I'm not expecting that to change Flybe's mind.

Oh, and C Series is a pipe dream. Why get rid of one expensive jet, which is too big for the majority of your flights only to replace it with another! I think they've learned their lesson....well I hope so.

Not a good day for BE
 

Looks like another full emergency on a Doncaster bound flight, rapid descent to 10,000 feet.

Also a MAN-BHD Q400 diverted to PIK on low fuel. Another Q400 was sent from BHD shorly after

The CS100 is certified to 133Y passengers, even more than what the E195s carry. You won't be seeing the CSeries in Flybe's fleet sadly.

In flyBe's current structure, yes it wouldn't make sense. However, its questionable if the current structure is working - and a pivot to a different model could include the C-Series.

The issue with all previous jets in this size class is that the seat-mile costs have not been competitive against the Ryanair and Wizz's of the world. Weather you're trying to fill a plane to MXP from MAN, with FR offering a departure to BGY in an hour, or selling seats to Paris from Doncaster, your costs matter.

The thing about the C-Series is that is has genuine A320neo CASM in a ~100 seat package and impressive range capabilities. It opens all sorts of new markets, Doncaster to the Canaries, as an example, or something like MAN-MXP to be offered twice daily.

Granted, if flyBe were to introduce the C-Series it shouldn't be a direct replacement for the 175/195 fleets, but could open a new direction for the company - one which it would seem to sorely need.

A more suitable aircraft size wise should Flybe decide to go down the jet route again would be the Mitsubishi MRJ which was showcased in EXT after the Paris airshow. A big risk though.

Heard a rumour that the Fly Be maintenance contract with MAEL ends in March.

Also they are looking at buying the TCX hangar at Manchester as TCX want out of doing own maintenance.

How far fetched are these rumours ?

I'm with Brian, as long as the leases are reasonable. There is arguably a market to serve in places like Doncaster, Exeter and Cardiff to longer distance leisure destinations, as well as upping capacity in Heathrow/LCY.

TCX operations are based in the hanger, so if that is the case where would ops locate to?

TCX operations at Manchester could easily be moved to another location as in offices near to the airport so I don't see that as a deal breaker.

Wouldn’t the TCX hangar be abut big for Flybe? It’s designed to accommodate larger aircraft rather than ejets and props?

I'd agree. Maybe a good shout for Easyjet though, what with their big expansion

Why not 319s for those sun routes- lease rates should be ok with BA and Easy losing them. Isn't that the sort of low cost way forward that for whatever reason Flybe have avoided until now

Isn't it the case BE operate sun routes more to keep the aircraft busy than to be a part of that market? If they decide to refocus, move away from being all things to all men and concentrate on what they can do best, short haul regional business flying, then sun routes naturally go away. They're a niche player in a huge market.

The sun routes that they operate though do tend to be from airports that don't really have a LCC base. EXT, SOU, DSA and NWI don't have LCCs like EZY or FR operating out of them so Flybe are filling in a gap and catering to local demand. CWL is slightly different as their only sun route is Faro and their focus tends to be on more on Italy and Germany. With their other bases their sun routes do tend to be charters rather than them going up against the others. So i'd be surprised if they keep the jets if they would ditch them if they are making money.

Im not sure thats the case. flyBe have been operating sun routes for as long as I can remember. They even had Astraeus operate 733s for them prior to the introduction of the E-195s. The 195 should have been perfect for flyBe, but its never really worked well for independent operators. Its relatively expensive to operate, relatively expensive to maintain and to finance. I know airlines have kicked the tires several times and found the A31973G a better bet, which is itself being replaced by A320/neo's.

That no-one wanted to take them off flyBe's hands tells its own story, its not like flyBe is some fly-by-night operator with a poor maintenance record. I hope Stobart got a bargain on the 3 they bought....

If flyBe is to replace the jets - used A319s wouldn't be a bad shout, but if they can work out a deal with Bombardier/Airbus, I think it would be a better long-term strategy. I really don't think flyBe can go toe-to-to with easyJet/Ryanair/Wizz, which the A319 would inevitably necessitate.

Not really. The 319 could do the current sun routes - and eventually Easy's smallest aircraft will be the 320.

I believe the agreed price that Propius paid GOAL was about £14m each for the three aircraft, less something for maintenance reserves and security deposits.

Flybe will NOT replace their Q400 fleet with jets for several reasons.
a) Flybe is primarily a regional airline flying short, high frequency, business routes. This requires the use of smaller aircraft, meaning the only viable options would by the CRJ700 and E170/175, both of which are much more expensive to operate than the Q400.
b) Flybe's average sector length is 311 miles (1hr25), and at this time jet models reduce flight time by just 0hr10. The extra fuel costs are not worth such a small reduction in flight times.
c) Flybe will not change their business plan. They have relatively little competition on their routes, and no other business model would allow the airline to operate as many domestic routes as it does.

What people seem to forget is that Flybe is not a leisure airline, it is primarily a business airline. In addition, Flybe's European leisure routes are one of the reasons why the airline is in financial difficulty. If Flybe could get rid of their entire E195 fleet immediately and axe their leisure network, they would do so in a heartbeat. Q400 operations can sustain the vast majority of their operations, including a number of European business destinations.

Just by comparing Flybe's Q400 operations with easyJet's A319 operations on key domestic routes shows why Flybe will not upgrade to larger aircraft.

Belfast-Manchester

Flybe: BHD-MAN x41 weekly (Q400) 1hr00
Weekly seats: 6,396
Annual seats: 332,592
Load factor: 80.1%

easyJet: BFS-MAN x18 weekly (A319) 0hr55/1hr00
Weekly seats: 5,616
Annual seats: 292,032
Load factor: 86.7%

If Flybe were to upgrade their Q400 fleet, they would have two options;
a) keep same number of weekly seats, and adjust frequency
b) keep frequency, and adjust number of weekly seats

Results;
a) 6,396 weekly seats would mean an A319 (156) would operate x21 weekly flights, and a CS100 (125) would operate x26 weekly flights. Both options see Flybe's convenient timetable almost cut in half, which would negatively affect the airline's (primarily business) passengers.
b) Flying the route x41 weekly would lead of 10,250 weekly seats if operated by a CS100 (125), and 12,792 weekly seats if operated by an A319 (156). Flybe currently have a load factor of 80.1% on the route - almost doubling capacity on the route without increasing the frequency would be crippling.

I don't think there is any doubt that frequency of key routes which fit the Q400 makes sense - especially those on domestic. I think the argument is beyond the Q400, and more at the EMB fleet at bases like Exeter, Cardiff and Doncaster where there is little low-cost competition, lowering their cost per seat and expanding their leisure reach where there are opportunities.

That was certainly what I had in mind, in full armchair CEO mode! I would envisage the C-Series as a replacement for the EMB fleet, with the Q400s staying.

A mixed Q400/C-Series fleet would be very flexible and fuel efficient. Dispatch on the C-Series is reported to be excellent and the Q400 has come a long way. The Q400 has good range and speed for a prop and does a surprising amount of the leisure flying, so I don't think its fair to say BE would drop the leisure flying if they could. Many ensure routes have high fares and good ancillary revenue.