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MKY661 14th Sep 2017 16:36

Flybe-9
 
MAN-LUX now Bookable for Winter 2017/18

BAladdy 15th Sep 2017 03:47

Does anyone know when flight operated by T3 will bee available to book through BE's website?... Just had a look to see if they had been released yet and all that is showing is T3's ABZ-LBA-SOU services and these are showing as sold out.

Trev4521 15th Sep 2017 17:17

Has the Flybe Ema-Sou finished altogether?

TartinTon 16th Sep 2017 12:22

Unless they decide the jet is needed at SOU next summer then yes. It wasn't a real route just a positioning sector that they decided to sell.

SealinkBF 16th Sep 2017 13:44


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 9892176)
Does anyone know when flight operated by T3 will bee available to book through BE's website?... Just had a look to see if they had been released yet and all that is showing is T3's ABZ-LBA-SOU services and these are showing as sold out.

I recall reading that this would be in place at end of October

Flightrider 16th Sep 2017 17:47


Unless they decide the jet is needed at SOU next summer then yes. It wasn't a real route just a positioning sector that they decided to sell.
Somewhat wide of the mark. The EMA aircraft (and it was a Q400, not a jet) was BHD-based and was specifically positioned with crews ex BHD to fly the EMA-SOU. If they needed to position the aircraft to SOU, they'd simply have added an extra BHD-SOU schedule. Same for EXT-SOU - the Exeter aircraft could easily have operated an EXT-RNS W pattern into SOU if needed there.

As it was, EXT-RNS was shifted to Sundays which nearly killed it, and the whole concept of the SOU weekend hub was (looking at the CAA stats) a total disaster with EXT-SOU and EMA-SOU running at 20% load factors. It was a commercial effort to do something new but didn't work out.

The only other thing running at those kind of load factors in the network is apparently the Eastern E170 into Shetland which is sounding like a miscalculation on a grand scale.

toon22 16th Sep 2017 18:56

Flybe also nightstopped a Q400 in NCL on Saturdays, having operated NQY - NCL. I thought it was so they could pick up the cruise traffic from Southampton on Sunday mornings. Whatever, it must have been expensive with no NCL base and certainly didn't help the Newquay route with a 2030 departure when people leave their accommodation at midday.

goldeneye 21st Sep 2017 08:48

The Eastern flights for Winter 2017 onwards are now bookable on flybe's website. These are the original T3 flights to operate as a Franchise, this is in addition to the JV on the Scottish Islands.

air2000dub 26th Sep 2017 20:36


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 9893818)
Somewhat wide of the mark. The EMA aircraft (and it was a Q400, not a jet) was BHD-based and was specifically positioned with crews ex BHD to fly the EMA-SOU. If they needed to position the aircraft to SOU, they'd simply have added an extra BHD-SOU schedule. Same for EXT-SOU - the Exeter aircraft could easily have operated an EXT-RNS W pattern into SOU if needed there.


It was GLA based crews not BHD, worked out as a 3 day trip for us.:)

bodminsteve 27th Sep 2017 11:33

Thought it was canx now?

GayFriendly 27th Sep 2017 20:51

EMA - SOU is definitely cancelled for summer 2018 along with EXT, LYS and BIQ. There are a number of other ex - SOU routes currently under review, decisions to be made on these shortly.

Richard Taylor 29th Sep 2017 17:07

Loganair 'claim first blood' on N.Isles routes
 
Loganair claims first blood in airline battle | Shetland News

Not particularly good figures for either, but especially not for Flybe.

flybeboy 13th Oct 2017 08:38

Flybe too charter more aircraft
 
In a press event with Reuters the new boss says Flybe will be chartering more aircraft cos of the monarch going bust. Says this will be seen at start of 2018 season. So are they bringing in more planes for charter flights or the 195/175 going to be used more for charters.

Mr A Tis 13th Oct 2017 08:44

Well done Flybe for operating MAN-LYS-MAN (on time) last Tuesday, when the French ATC were on strike. It was one of the few flights operating out of Lyon that day. More surprisingly though, it wasn't full.

BOHEuropean 13th Oct 2017 10:09


Originally Posted by flybeboy (Post 9923528)
In a press event with Reuters the new boss says Flybe will be chartering more aircraft cos of the monarch going bust. Says this will be seen at start of 2018 season. So are they bringing in more planes for charter flights or the 195/175 going to be used more for charters.

If we're reading the same fluffy article on Reuters:

Ourmieres-Widener said Flybe was looking at chartering additional aircraft this winter in light of the Monarch collapse, but that any major capacity changes would be seen more next summer.

“Airlines publish their network one year in advance, so your flexibility during one season is not so big,” she said.

They've already obtained some new charters for summer next year, for example Southampton to Greece, but they're not because of Monarch. It just looks like they're winning more contracts. I don't believe Flybe have a plan to add more aircraft - their fleet is getting smaller.

Flightrider 13th Oct 2017 10:22

Might be better of making proper use of the E170 aircraft they already have on lease if the article further up this thread is right. Statements sound like a right load of puff.

stewyb 13th Oct 2017 10:23

Flybe need to be be very careful as they had their fingers burnt only recently with over capacity and not sticking to their core business model. SOU has already confirmed two new Flybe charters for next summer with Thomson (Menorca) and Fly LoLo (Skiathos) using existing Flybe frames although the press release does state additional aircraft will be sourced :eek:

mikkie4 13th Oct 2017 11:33

looking at the FLYBE/STOBART time table its looking like an extra E195 might be needed at SOUTHEND for next year

BOHEuropean 13th Oct 2017 11:48

Depending on how the contract is structured, surely charters such as those offer a guaranteed profit and thus presumably actually a smart use of the E195s?

However, the schedules don't sim to fit on Saturday, for example the based E195 aircraft flies the scheduled routes to Faro and Malaga:

BE1771 SOU-FAO E195 08:40-11:15
BE1772 FAO-SOU E195 12:05-14:40
BE1677 SOU-AGP E195 15:20-18:55
BE1678 AGP-SOU E195 19:50-21:30

Then the Thomson charter to Mahon flies at the same times, is this on the Q400?

BE SOU-MAH E195 16:00-19:45
BE MAH-SOU E195 20:25-22:30

TartinTon 13th Oct 2017 12:03

The block times would suggest that the SOU-MAH is on the Q400

canberra97 13th Oct 2017 14:53

The 195 operating SOU to AGP and FAO is a Manchester based aircraft not Southampton having flown on the morning rotation from MAN to SOU to pick up the FAO flight. On it's return to SOU from AGP it makes a late rotation back to MAN.

SOU to MAH is currently scheduled to be on the Dash 8, this has been known since the route was announced.

stewyb 13th Oct 2017 15:06

A near on 3hr flight on a Dash, best of luck with that!

simoncorbett 13th Oct 2017 15:17

Flybe Dash 8
 
Flybe.. have operated from SOU to PMI AGP etc with Dash 8's for ages

canberra97 13th Oct 2017 15:19

Flybe have used the dash on a regular basis from SOU to PMI along with ALC so it's not really surprising to see them use it from SOU to MAH.

Although personally I would prefer to see an EMB on the route as I would think most of the passengers using it would especially those TUI customers.

stewyb 13th Oct 2017 15:43

I realise these routes have been run using the Dash for some time, doesn't make it any more palatable in my opinion. Family members took a Dash to Geneva during ski season and said it was the worst flight they had ever experienced, both cramped and noisy and that was a 2hr flight, not 3!

MARKEYD 13th Oct 2017 17:20

I think next Summer 18 , the 195 aircraft is Southampton based only and does not operate to and from MAN as it has done in previous years

The first arrival from Manchester is not until 0940 well after the the 195 has departed

Partly this is possibly to help with any delays during the day with ATC and the quite often late arrival of the 195 and subsequent SOU closing times , something the Skiathos flight could well endure in the hight of the summer

mart901 13th Oct 2017 17:44


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 9923993)
I realise these routes have been run using the Dash for some time, doesn't make it any more palatable in my opinion. Family members took a Dash to Geneva during ski season and said it was the worst flight they had ever experienced, both cramped and noisy and that was a 2hr flight, not 3!

In comparison to which airline?

stewyb 13th Oct 2017 17:49

EasyJet for a start, thankfully they have now landed at SOU on this route

mart901 13th Oct 2017 18:25

EZY have less seat pitch on all their aircraft than BE's Q400's

Reversethrustset 13th Oct 2017 19:10

Just give up, mart901, you'll never appease stewyb. I also don't know where this notion has come from that the dash will take 3 hrs to go to MAH when the flight time to PMI is about 2hrs 15m but there we have it.

stewyb 13th Oct 2017 19:27

Think your timer must have packed up, that flight time you will just about get on a E95, must be closer to 3hrs on a Dash but I will bow to your superior knowledge 😜

Reversethrustset 13th Oct 2017 19:35

Funny, I just checked the company system, the last flight to PMI from SOU had a BLOCK time of 2hrs 31m, so it's not my knowledge that's superior (well it is superior because I've flown the DH8D & EJET for a number of years) as I'm just conveying facts, remember that's block time, airborne time will be at least 15 minutes shorter than that :)

darren1 13th Oct 2017 20:41


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 9924237)
Think your timer must have packed up, that flight time you will just about get on a E95, must be closer to 3hrs on a Dash but I will bow to your superior knowledge 😜

Thankfully you have.

Alteagod 13th Oct 2017 20:45

I believe that Flybe also doing ski charters from BHD

Letsflycwl 13th Oct 2017 21:29

Is it true that Flybe are looking to operate some charter flights from CWL for Summer 2018 ?

BluffOldSeaDog 16th Oct 2017 20:04


Originally Posted by MARKEYD (Post 9924096)
I think next Summer 18 , the 195 aircraft is Southampton based only and does not operate to and from MAN as it has done in previous years

The first arrival from Manchester is not until 0940 well after the the 195 has departed

Partly this is possibly to help with any delays during the day with ATC and the quite often late arrival of the 195 and subsequent SOU closing times , something the Skiathos flight could well endure in the hight of the summer

The 195 hasn’t started in Manchester this season at all, we’ve had MAN crews night-stopping in SOU

MKY661 18th Oct 2017 09:56

According to Jethro G-JECI has been WFU and G-JECJ will leave next Month. Not sure if there are any more Dash8's due out after that.

ratchetring 18th Oct 2017 10:53

Flybe shares plunge on half-year profit warning


Blaming maintenance costs now....

Jerry123 18th Oct 2017 12:03

Well they did have that under carriage collapse at Amsterdam with a Q400 so that could've led to the higher than expected maintenance bill. I'd thought they would've been required by the CAA to check the landing gear on all their Q400s which may have increased costs.

southside bobby 18th Oct 2017 12:09

Landing gear malfunctions on the Q400 is a known factor which is why also SAS dropped the type from the fleet..


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