I believe the operation is being transferred in total, i.e. crew and a/c.
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Are BE handing x 4 E75's back as has been suggested on certain sites? cheers
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Originally Posted by stewyb
(Post 10502821)
certain sites?
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10502828)
What are these sites you talk of? |
Originally Posted by stewyb
(Post 10502843)
Not reliable I know but wiki suggests 4 being handed back and sure I have read the same elsewhere!
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Originally Posted by Jersey32D
(Post 10502848)
Correct. Existing order cancelled and 4 returned. 7x E175's to remain.
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175's
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10502871)
I'm sure I read somewhere that they have to keep those 7 for BHX and MAN to CDG as having jets on those routes is part of the deal with Air France otherwise they would've got rid of them all.
As for the 175 routes today you can clearly see why they want rid of them, as it is just crazy - MAN-NOC, NQY, BHD, NTE, BHX-IOM, CWL- BHD, GLA, EDI and DUB, DSA - JER, NQY, BHD, DUB and if you want to be harsh BHX & MAN AMS & DUS are quite comfortable on the Dash, so is CWL-CDG and even BHX-STR & TXL are Dash 8's at times which basically leaves MAN-MXP and MAN CDG as ones where they needed to operate. Now for the Dash 8 services -they seem to have kept out of the mainstream news but a dreadful 3 days at BHX with mass delays and over 20 sectors cancelled with EDI and BHD bearing the brunt with a Knock, Inverness and Jersey thrown in for good measure. Yesterday they did persevere with STR BHX landing 01.23, GLA-BHX- 00.53 and ABZ - BHX 00.29 (all today). Some I believe were weather related but not all and some must have been a mix of crewing and tech with one 175 departing for its first flight today at 11am another operating one early flight then heading to Exeter today. Pete |
The original plan was for just 7 E175, but this has now supposedly been upped to 9 (5 BHX & 4 MAN).
Although this is still before the plans of the new owners have been announced. |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 10502906)
They could get away will just 3 to cover MAN & BHX - CDG and even operate Milan in between which is the only route where the Dash is not ideal. BHX already have Dash 8's at the weekend to CDG so not exclusively a jet operation. The 88 seat aircraft is not great on either BHX & MAN - CDG as the loads often warrant the 195 and CDG is not awash with spare slots so it is almost a waste.
As for the 175 routes today you can clearly see why they want rid of them, as it is just crazy - MAN-NOC, NQY, BHD, NTE, BHX-IOM, CWL- BHD, GLA, EDI and DUB, DSA - JER, NQY, BHD, DUB and if you want to be harsh BHX & MAN AMS & DUS are quite comfortable on the Dash, so is CWL-CDG and even BHX-STR & TXL are Dash 8's at times which basically leaves MAN-MXP and MAN CDG as ones where they needed to operate. Now for the Dash 8 services -they seem to have kept out of the mainstream news but a dreadful 3 days at BHX with mass delays and over 20 sectors cancelled with EDI and BHD bearing the brunt with a Knock, Inverness and Jersey thrown in for good measure. Yesterday they did persevere with STR BHX landing 01.23, GLA-BHX- 00.53 and ABZ - BHX 00.29 (all today). Some I believe were weather related but not all and some must have been a mix of crewing and tech with one 175 departing for its first flight today at 11am another operating one early flight then heading to Exeter today. Pete Purely for selfish reasons I hope this route continues, it performs well in terms of load factor at least. I use it at least twice a month, useful for airbus employees if the internal shuttle flight to Chester is full. No other airlines serve Toulouse from MAN or LPL. |
Originally Posted by RogueOne
(Post 10503540)
The majority of the delays were down to a lack of Swissport staff available, they were doing one plane at a time and prioritising everyone but BEE.. The inbound EDI sat on the ground for 2hrs.. before a dispatcher even acknowledged them & the inbound bags could be offloaded, and the outbound bags for the ABZ loaded on. Worst I've ever seen from Swissport, they've been having a bad time lately.
I'm sure that all handling agents must suffer similar issues so far as point two is concerned. How you treat your employees who are willing to work for the rate offered is something that most certainly is within their control. |
I work for a ground handling company and I honestly can't complain. I earn way above average. Sure, I have to put up with the irregular hours etc but that's something I knew from the start.
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Originally Posted by rocker6346
(Post 10503866)
I work for a ground handling company and I honestly can't complain. I earn way above average. Sure, I have to put up with the irregular hours etc but that's something I knew from the start.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 10503861)
As an outsider that tells me two things. First, Swissport are a sh!t employer, and demoralised employees are less likely to turn up if they feel a tad unwell, and less likely to got the extra mile because they aren't appreciated for doing so; and secondly they aren't paying an attractive enough wage for the job to adequately staff their operation.
I'm sure that all handling agents must suffer similar issues so far as point two is concerned. How you treat your employees who are willing to work for the rate offered is something that most certainly is within their control. If Swissport, or any handler for that matter, were so sh!t, the Airlines wouldn't stay with them. |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 10503889)
Is that in Belgium, or UK? I would imagine that Belgian agents may offer better terms and conditions than UK; or am I wrong?
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I know several people who work for Swissport UK and many of them on part time contracts on minimum wage, if not, pennies more. I believe Swissport Belgium and Switzerland etc look like to have better working conditions if you're bringing home €2,200 per month, what role are you in? |
Originally Posted by NorthEasterner
(Post 10504198)
I know several people who work for Swissport UK and many of them on part time contracts on minimum wage, if not, pennies more. I believe Swissport Belgium and Switzerland etc look like to have better working conditions if you're bringing home €2,200 per month, what role are you in? In my home airport (ANR) we combine Passenger service and Ramp service so one day I'll be at the check in desk and pushing around WCHR pax, next I'll be making load sheets and calling up catering because they didn't show up... |
Originally Posted by rocker6346
(Post 10503929)
In Belgium, yes. I have no idea really what the average is in the UK, but I can imagine it being slightly lower than in Belgium. I earn about 2'200 euro per month after taxes with a full time job (38 hours a week).
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Minimum wage in the UK is £8.21 which is EUR9.15 per hour (using Google currency converter) Swissport as far as I know uses 25+ minimum wage for all staff on minimum wage (regardless of their age) |
Are we speaking about two different roles here? Baggage handler in the uk for swissport and Passenger service/ramp agent in Belgium also for swissport...or have I missed something? Why is the UK yet again the poor relation when it comes to pay? |
Originally Posted by caaardiff
(Post 10503923)
Handling agents in the UK struggle to recruit for peak season operations, mainly because UK airports are so seasonal, there are several handlers fighting for the same business and want the cheapest deal. Airlines get the service they pay for. If they paid more for service, Handlers and service providers could pay their employees more attractive wages and recruit to full potential.
If Swissport, or any handler for that matter, were so sh!t, the Airlines wouldn't stay with them. |
Originally Posted by Matty Rich 83
(Post 10504272)
Are we speaking about two different roles here? Baggage handler in the uk for swissport and Passenger service/ramp agent in Belgium also for swissport...or have I missed something? Why is the UK yet again the poor relation when it comes to pay? |
Originally Posted by Matty Rich 83
(Post 10504272)
Are we speaking about two different roles here? Baggage handler in the uk for swissport and Passenger service/ramp agent in Belgium also for swissport...or have I missed something? Why is the UK yet again the poor relation when it comes to pay? |
Most ground staff I see at UK airports do a decent job...can see why their demotivated though with lack of pay rises therefore cost of living always rises but take home pay doesn’t. Lack of unions in the uk of course doesn’t help! |
Jet2 staff at BHX put others to shame-employed by the airline not an Agency.
It really does show,and at outstations as well SS |
More delays and cancellations
Originally Posted by RogueOne
(Post 10503540)
The majority of the delays were down to a lack of Swissport staff available, they were doing one plane at a time and prioritising everyone but BEE.. The inbound EDI sat on the ground for 2hrs.. before a dispatcher even acknowledged them & the inbound bags could be offloaded, and the outbound bags for the ABZ loaded on. Worst I've ever seen from Swissport, they've been having a bad time lately.
12 sectors gone today (around 17%) already on a much reduced schedule (6 yesterday) one four hour delay and now two with two hours plus delays as one has changed to cancelled (LRH plus BES & EGC now) and none have gone within 15 minutes until the Knock at 10.15. I assume there isn't a viable short-term fix without making permanent route cancellations and that won't come until late summer. There seems to be a strategy at BHX, cancelling the domestic routes without competition and train is an alternative, BHD comes off lightly not wanting to hand pax over to easyjet and if a European route gets cancelled it is usually one of the Amsterdam flights (5 a day) or Berlin (no competition). Pete |
And, whilst I haven't kept a very close eye on them, I have noticed that services to/from Manchester have also been effected - possibly only 2 or 3 per day but it all adds up.
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Originally Posted by Scottie Dog
(Post 10505361)
And, whilst I haven't kept a very close eye on them, I have noticed that services to/from Manchester have also been effected - possibly only 2 or 3 per day but it all adds up.
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Do not allow them to organise a party at a brewery.
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A couple of SOU departures had to carry out fuel stops at BOH yesterday due to the high air temps, all a bit embarrassing really.
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
(Post 10506138)
A couple of SOU departures had to carry out fuel stops at BOH yesterday due to the high air temps, all a bit embarrassing really.
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A couple of SOU departures had to carry out fuel stops at BOH yesterday due to the high air temps |
Flybe “Crew Shortages”
Some click bait here; but can’t say I blame the crew! https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rport-16512401 |
Depends a bit on what sort of payoff Flybe is likely to give. If they are generous and make details of their geneeosity known to staff then they will stick around. Pay the legal minimum (1 week per year of employment ?) then not in the least surprised that cabin crew have decided to leave as soon as they find a new job.
There was a similiar story shortly before bmibaby shut down |
More bad publicity for FlyBe - group of passengers denied boarding in AMS as they were disrupted; group plays racist card and claims it's because they're black. BBC picks the story and runs with it as though the airline were in the wrong.
Sometime FlyBe deserves what they get; on this occasion perhaps not. Kudos for the airline staff for denying them boarding and potentially causing discomfort to other paying passengers! |
Acquisition has been cleared: https://www.flybe.com/media/news/1907/0705
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".....providing more choice for customers across the UK" |
Interesting they have stepped away from the initial blurb of committing to seamless Virgin experience across the network to a new brand experience to be announced shortly. Clearly not so clean cut a plan but at least it got the go ahead which is a positive for all concerned. Interesting times ahead.
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Huge falls in passenger numbers at SOU - yet this is one of their key bases.
What is the future for this base given it's proximity to LHR? |
Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
(Post 10511059)
Huge falls in passenger numbers at SOU - yet this is one of their key bases.
What is the future for this base given it's proximity to LHR? |
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