In it for the long haul, they said...... :rolleyes:

Well at least they saw sense in the end.

Is that the first domino falling?

Certainly looks that way. No statement about the others so guess they remain in place - for now.

I'm wondering who will be the first to correct the glaring historical error on the Flybe Facebook page. Claiming the Jersey Airlines Heron as part of the Flybe heritage just because Flybe was once called Jersey European is pushing it, as I'm sure any ex Morton/BUIA/BIA people can verify. There's no lineage at all!

Yes, the original ancestor of Flybe was Intra Airways. This airline was based in Jersey in the 70s but had no link to Jersey Airlines (which had been taken over by BUA). Intra was combined, eventually, with Spacegrand when Jack Walker owned both these airlines. The joint airline was named Jersey European, & then Flybe. Jersey Airlines eventually became BU(CI)A, then Air UK & KLM (UK).

Flymaybe strike again. Them and their dodgy franchise partners. Share price today 31 pence. Top heavy management. No turnaround by COW and will end up the same way as BMi, gone.

I forgot to mention its spell as BIA.

Just in case others might get confused with the addition of BIA which I personally thought was a strange omission but just to clarify on kcockaynes excellent recollections it was
Jersey Airlines, BU(CI)A, BIA, Air UK and finally KLM UK until it was finally absorbed into the KLM City Hopper operation.

As kcockayne clearly states there is no connection with the above and the history of Flybe.

JEA already existed by the time Jack Walker bought it from Huntingin the 1980s. Intra had merged with Express Air in the late 70s to form JEA. Jersey European Airways (UK) Ltd became Flybe Ltd in 2005

Spacegrand never legally became part of Jersey European and stills exists today as Flybe Group PLC ( as of 2010 ), the holding company in which the public can buy shares. Us commoners don't hold a piece of a Dash, sadly.

Back in the 1980s I started an aviation business by buying an "off the shelf" company. It came with a random made up name ( something nonsensical) thus the first company resolution was to rename it to my own trading name.

I wonder if Spacegrand ever realised that....................:rolleyes:

Thanks for that, El Bunto. I was unaware of that fact. However, the essential point I was making was that there is no direct link between Jersey Airlines & Flybe that would justify the latter to use a picture of one of the former’s Herons as an illustration of Flybe’s history.

Oh I concur! Just thought it was amusing that shareholders in Flybe PLC are actually holding 'Spacegrand' stock.

JEA and Spacegrand ran in parallel in the 1980s until at least 1986ish, when the latter's fleet was transferred over to the JEA AOC. I think at one earlier point they both had separate licenses for London City ( or London STOLPORT as it was then ) and merrily carried on doing their own things.

kcockayne -

Didn't Jersey European become British European, hence the be in Flybe?

LGS6753 - That's correct.

Yes, I think you are correct. Memory getting a bit dodgy !

Intra? "Bring back the Dak!"

British European was only a trading name, they didn't legally rename the airline until three years after adopting FlyBE.

Re Dak: Genair were running one down to Heathrow in the early 1980s! Edit: April until November 1981 from Humberside. Not related to the JEA history but I thought it was cute.

Probably not of much interest but as someone who worked forJersey European Airways Ltd from the early years can add a bit of clarity. It had no connection in law or financially with Intra Airways. Intra did I think operate few aircraft with Jersey European on the side until they were shut down withI believe 160 plus violations of the ANO. Jersey European Airways Ltd was started by local businessman John Habin and others in Jersey in 1979. Theystarted with a mixture of EMB110, DHC6 and BN2 aircraft. Spacegrand was startedaround the same time as a means of utilising a company aircraft as an air taxiat Blackpool. This was owned by Walkersteel based at Blackburn which was primarilyowned by Jack Walker who lived on Jersey. In 1982/3 JEA arranged the purchaseof several DHC6 aircraft from Brymon Airways some of which went to Spacegrand.
JEA ventured into a F27 operation in 1983 which nearlycaused the financial collapse of the company when Jack Walker stepped in. TheF27 aircraft which never flew in service were disposed of to the US.

In early1984 the first SD3-30 was purchased from Canada and later 2 more were added andfleet split between Spacegrand and JEA. In 1985/6 the operations were brought together at Exeter under the direct management of Dave Mc Culloch who moved onin the 1990’s to become the first MD of Easyjet (before they had aircraft). The company had several different management changes during the 1990’s but whilstJack Walker owned the majority shareholding and lived on Jersey the named remained as Jersey European Airways Ltd owned by Walker Aviation Ltd. When he died in August 2000 the management changed the operating name to BritishEuropean. In 2002 the Flybe name was used.

I loved the quote from the Loganair boss (Hinckley?) "Don't pick a fight with a company that can't afford to lose"

The names is Hinkles.

I suspect that there has almost certainly been some behind the scenes negotiations in regard to this mess. They will have mutually agreed how to move forward with some give and take, Flybe/Eastern giving way to Loganair on some routes and vice versa on other routes.

Not strictly allowed under Government rules!
https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...kets-authority

But no less likely to happen!

DH8D G-JEDU ferried from Belfast International to Exeter on the morning of 15 December, flight BEE043D at FL100 all the way with the gear down! Departed around 11:50.

Had been on the ground at Belfast since the nose-gear-up landing on 10 November.

Anyone know what’s being done with the airframe freed up by Eastern taking over the Aberdeen - London City route?

Is that the airframe being shifted over to GLA to operate GLA-MAN? LOG have quit the route and Flybe back to using the dash-8 on the route.

Challenges for 2018
 

Norwich 190 ops
 

Noticed the Alicante Malaga flights have currently ceased and norwich gained Dash 8 on the Exeter run
Whats happening with the 190s into Norwich
Did read FBEL,EM, EN are going to stobart soon

Anyone know what the plan for the winter is
Thanks
Mark

If it's anything like CWL they'll be changed to E175s.

https://www.flybe.com/timetableClass...WI&selDest=XXX

Flights recommence to Alicante on 13th February and to Malaga on the 8th February, flights are still on the Embraer E195. January is a typically quiet month, no point operating flights that won't make money.

Some flights have been dropped at weekends due to Exeter's runway curfew for resurfacing, meaning the usual W pattern isn't achievable.

Flybe full emergency
 

BHX to NOC diverted to BFS on full emergency, flap problem by all accounts.

Dash 8 presumably? At least not a nose wheel issue. See LOT had another one of those on a Dash 8 in Poland last week.

G-JECO & Summer 18
 

The aircraft that diverted to Belfast Int obviously wasn't too bad as it positioned back to BHX late this afternoon.

Summer 2018

Following on from the Leeds thread re the Newquay flight.

As Jerry123 has said, the 175 on NQY-LBA is far from an overall capacity overall but more a slashing of seats available across the network

From August it appears that there are just three 195's left in fleet that are operational but I stand to be corrected. One at Cardiff, one at Exeter and one at Southampton.

One of the Cardiff 195's as stated by Jerry123 is replaced by a 175 so the base remains all jet with the other 175 already in place already for summer.

Doncaster appears to remain two x 175's, Newquay one 175 for Gatwick and then three for BHX (5 summer 17) and three for Manchester making 11.

The last accounts I believe stated that the last few 175's due will be arriving from Embraer in 18/19 but they are not showing up yet in the timetable and is there another cunning plan to be revealed?

Hand them to Stobart and let them make a loss on them?

That is quite a cut on the NQY services given that at its peak the E195 can be full. I wonder if there is scope to add a 4th daily LGW service to balance the drop in seats?

Maybe something like this although granted that last sector may not be appealing at those times - a bit of tweaking to schedule maybe:

0735 - 0845 / 0930 - 1040

1125 - 1235 / 1320 - 1430

1600 - 1710 / 1755 - 1905

1950 - 2100 / 2145 - 2255

What's the chance of this being flybe. They announced last year that they would be looking at a fleet replacement programme. I'm sure that due to their current relationship with bombardier, they'd be able to bargain a good deal.

By The Canadian Press
Thu., Nov. 2, 2017

MONTREAL—Bombardier Inc. landed its largest potential C Series order in nearly two years even as it cut its forecast for deliveries this year because of engine delivery issues.
The Montreal-based aerospace manufacturer said it has signed a letter of intent with an unidentified European customer for a firm order of 31 C Series aircraft and options for an additional 30 jets. Based on the list price, the firm order portion would be worth $2.4 billion.

Considering NQY-LGW is a pso route which regularly departs full or with only 1 or 2 sears empty and regularly at silly money I’m surprised to hear of the drop from E95-75, a drop of some 30 seats per sector, so 180 seats less per day?

The route is too big for this cut so either an extra rotation or something else must surely be on the cards

Unless they plan that as a fleet replacement for the Q400 i really can't see Flybe ordering that many C Series jets. I do think it would be too large for them. The E175s are a much better size for them in my opinion.

Whilst many of the flights can be near full, when you look at the monthly passenger figures, the E175 would appear to cater for the current demand levels and with the LBA flights being operated by the NQY jet, then that puts pay to a fourth daily flight. It just means that there are less seats available at peak times, so these seats will no doubt cost more as they are at a premium.

E195
 

Yes, down to 3 E195's in the fleet this summer and I think all gone by Summer 2019. With incredibly expensive lease deals still attached, BE have no hope of making profitable use of them. We will still see E195's in BE colours out of SEN. Some routes there now doing well with load factor, even if we don't know about yield.

I wouldn't be surprised about the C Series, despite it's size. There are changes afoot at BE with a brand refresh imminent and within the business (as I used to be), it's a very well known fact that the CEO is not a fan of the Dash at all. I doubt it will go entirely: it's ideal sized (and very fuel efficient) for many existing BE routes. But route network is also being looked at.

Potentially interesting times ahead. I have also heard whispers of the ATR....