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Scottie Dog 3rd Oct 2019 17:21

Manchester Statistics - August 2019

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

No new routes

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,055,088 passengers

The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for August.
Belfast City & London City have not reported for this month
In August 2018 these accounted for 27,904 passengers.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 3,336,826 + 5.79%
Annual Total Ė 14,523,228 + 5.41%
Moving Annual Total - 29,402,454 + 4.99%

Monthly Movements - 20,791 + 3.07%
Annual Movements Ė 95,690 +2.19%
Moving Annual Movements - 203,729 + 1.44%

Manchester Airport's August statistics

Top destinations with highest percentage increase.
https://i.ibb.co/4ThZj4c/Screenshot-381.png
Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
https://i.ibb.co/WD5YMDK/Screenshot-380.png

Figures for the European and long-haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.
https://i.ibb.co/v1WmVQp/Screenshot-382.png
Istanbul figures are affected by the start of the Pegasus service to Sabiha Gokcen airport which I now show separately.

Comparison of top 25 destinations - August 2009 versus August 2019
https://i.ibb.co/5KxBmp2/Screenshot-383.png

Major changes to Domestic traffic
https://i.ibb.co/cLwqdgQ/Screenshot-384.png
CAA statistics for August are provisional.


DUB19 3rd Oct 2019 18:35


Originally Posted by Scottie Dog (Post 10585750)
Manchester Statistics - August 2019

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

No new routes

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,055,088 passengers

The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for August.
Belfast City & London City have not reported for this month
In August 2018 these accounted for 27,904 passengers.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 3,336,826 + 5.79%
Annual Total Ė 14,523,228 + 5.41%
Moving Annual Total - 29,402,454 + 4.99%

Monthly Movements - 20,791 + 3.07%
Annual Movements Ė 95,690 +2.19%
Moving Annual Movements - 203,729 + 1.44%

Manchester Airport's August statistics

Top destinations with highest percentage increase.
https://i.ibb.co/4ThZj4c/Screenshot-381.png
Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
https://i.ibb.co/WD5YMDK/Screenshot-380.png

Figures for the European and long-haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.
https://i.ibb.co/v1WmVQp/Screenshot-382.png
Istanbul figures are affected by the start of the Pegasus service to Sabiha Gokcen airport which I now show separately.

Comparison of top 25 destinations - August 2009 versus August 2019
https://i.ibb.co/5KxBmp2/Screenshot-383.png

Major changes to Domestic traffic
https://i.ibb.co/cLwqdgQ/Screenshot-384.png
CAA statistics for August are provisional.

Load factors analysis on certain routes
https://i.ibb.co/v3mxTY7/Screenshot-385.png
Calculations are based of FlightRadar24 for days of flight operation, Planespotter.net for Seat Plans and CAA data for monthly figures.

some of the LFs arenít great, such as Singapore Airlines and Saudia,Unless the yields are strong

CabinCrewe 3rd Oct 2019 19:28


Originally Posted by DUB19 (Post 10585798)

some of the LFs arenít great, such as Singapore Airlines and Saudia,Unless the yields are strong

Oooft! not great. IAH, Iraq, Ethiopian, Saudia all pretty dire. They surely can't be sustainable. Doubt anyone believes they're being bolstered by yields.

eggc 3rd Oct 2019 19:37

MAN doesnt get 100% of the a/c to IAH, SIN or ADD, all are shared with SIN, IAH or BRU. Fares to Iraq are sky high and SV will be probably mostly be used by business, so I'd suggest yeilds aint that bad.

Scottie Dog 3rd Oct 2019 19:41


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10585840)

Oooft! not great. IAH, Iraq, Ethiopian, Saudia all pretty dire. They surely can't be sustainable. Doubt anyone believes they're being bolstered by yields.

You have to remember that both IAH & ADD are split loads. What I don't know is what the split is for Manchester? Does MAN have 50pc, 30pc of the seats allocated to them - I don't know. Remember the flown seats are presumably the uplift at MAN and therefore the load-factor might need adjusting accordingly.
With regards to BGW & JED yes, i would agree but I understand that IA are able to charge high fares which should, if true, give a reasonable yield on a lowish load. What freight does SV carry - a good cargo figure could offset a lower passenger number.
These are only my thoughts as a non-airport person.

chaps1954 3rd Oct 2019 20:04

I was told that ETH only allocated 30% of seats to Manchester but has a good uplift of cargo, there are due to be quite a few B772 this winter so guess all OK ( ps someone I know said loads out of Brussels are very high)

Mr Good Cat 4th Oct 2019 07:44

Quick question:

The terminal extension was planned to be open by summer next year but now hearing from MAN-based colleagues that it has been delayed until autumn as itís six months behind schedule.

Is this official? Not seen anything in the aviation press but maybe itís appeared in the local papers?

Rutan16 4th Oct 2019 08:24


Originally Posted by Scottie Dog (Post 10585849)
You have to remember that both IAH & ADD are split loads. What I don't know is what the split is for Manchester? Does MAN have 50pc, 30pc of the seats allocated to them - I don't know. Remember the flown seats are presumably the uplift at MAN and therefore the load-factor might need adjusting accordingly.
With regards to BGW & JED yes, i would agree but I understand that IA are able to charge high fares which should, if true, give a reasonable yield on a lowish load. What freight does SV carry - a good cargo figure could offset a lower passenger number.
These are only my thoughts as a non-airport person.

Both the Iraqi and Saudia flight have huge subsidies (block booking and guaranteed revenue) from BAe Systems and certain other government and private security agencies that shall remain nameless (quite number coming from places rather close to Telford, in North Wales and around Warrington). And some pilgrim traffic to boot - Yes even the Iraqi flight carries a number of Shia pilgrims going to Najaf.
Singapore ship a magnitude of boxes both west and east ! and the available seats available for Manchester varies. Revenue targets and yield more than adequate one would have thought

Ethiopian only one of any concern , however again loads of boxes going in the belly and some home office support in bolstering the cabin from time to time , along with NGOs . They need to address the backfill through with those paying customers with their African connection advantages .
If they cant do that it tells us all how weak sub Saharan traffic demand from the North of England is in reality.

Betablockeruk 4th Oct 2019 09:26

Biman now bookable on website. 3 weekly with 788 from 4th Jan

Matty Rich 83 4th Oct 2019 14:36


Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 10586149)
Quick question:

The terminal extension was planned to be open by summer next year but now hearing from MAN-based colleagues that it has been delayed until autumn as itís six months behind schedule.

Is this official? Not seen anything in the aviation press but maybe itís appeared in the local papers?

Not heard anything myself but from what I have seen via the many photos it looks on schedule. Summer 2020 is the opening which I suppose could be anytime until September next year

Scottie Dog 4th Oct 2019 18:42

I had it in my mind that April had been quoted previously.

eggc 4th Oct 2019 19:31

It was April, but it wont be April.

Ex Cargo Clown 4th Oct 2019 19:40

SQ an ET are distorted as we've already established.

SV is a strange route as it's sort of seasonable with the Hadj.

Sep/Oct figures will just look very weird with TCX etc.

Nostoodian 4th Oct 2019 20:10


Originally Posted by Ex Cargo Clown (Post 10586673)
SQ an ET are distorted as we've already established.

SV is a strange route as it's sort of seasonable with the Hadj.

Sep/Oct figures will just look very weird with TCX etc.

In the next couple of years as Saudi Arabia relaxes its visa regulations and opens up to mass tourism, the Saudi route may well see an increase in loads.

back to Boeing 4th Oct 2019 20:27


Originally Posted by eggc (Post 10586665)
It was April, but it wont be April.

Depends which April!!

CabinCrewe 5th Oct 2019 08:29


Originally Posted by Nostoodian (Post 10586704)
In the next couple of years as Saudi Arabia relaxes its visa regulations and opens up to mass tourism, the Saudi route may well see an increase in loads.

That route cant last til' then surely with those loads?

Nostoodian 5th Oct 2019 08:34


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10587024)

That route cant last til' then surely with those loads?

The loads have been worse than this in the past and the route is still going. Heavily subsided by the Saudi Government and plenty of cargo in the belly obviously making it a viable route.

Rutan16 5th Oct 2019 09:01


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10587024)

That route cant last til' then surely with those loads?



Why again it’s massively subsided by BAE Systems both mid cabin and in the belly .Yield is adequate.

Tickets at the back are cream but ain’t cheap most of the time

Please stop applying pure capitalist profit loss and bums on seats methods- they are irrelevant here and In the case of the weekly Iraqi service

CabinCrewe 5th Oct 2019 09:49


Originally Posted by Rutan16 (Post 10587048)
Why again itís massively subsided by BAE Systems both mid cabin and in the belly .Yield is adequate.

Tickets at the back are cream but ainít cheap most of the time

Please stop applying pure capitalist profit loss and bums on seats methods- they are irrelevant here and In the case of the weekly Iraqi service

Experience suggests otherwise. There is a sweetspot and this aint it. We'll see what remains in a year or two...
Meanwhile, BE MAN-GLA gone.

Rutan16 5th Oct 2019 10:17

You don’t know what that sweet spot is or indeed the depth of the BAE Systems contract I have an idea on the boxes alone !

There Heathrow flights rarerly touch much over 60% cabin loads either.

Saudia go where the family and BIG business want them to and let me the you BAE Systems are HUGELY important to the Saudi’s . That freight is their very life line I can tell you. Oh and yes they’re projecting the Saudi Whiabi ”message” at the same time

These flights are part of the reason you no longer see to many 4 and 12th squadron Hercs these days!


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