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Scottie Dog 20th Sep 2019 17:51

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Nostoodian 23rd Sep 2019 06:40

Following Thomas Cook going into administration this morning, how many based aircraft do they have based in Manchester, and of what type?

Obviously all their aircraft will be impounded and put on remote stands.

Also, how many passengers do Thomas Cook fly from Manchester every year?

Is it correct to say that other employees not working for Thomas Cook could lose their jobs i.e. ground handling, catering, engineering etc.

My condolences to all those effected. A sad day for the Holiday & Airline Industry.

chaps1954 23rd Sep 2019 07:16

Yes there will be knock on with many companies i:e handling, catering, company transport.
Aircraft parking in the next few days will be a problem however I would expect the leasing companies coming in and
collecting their planes and flying them to some out of the way places.
I do wonder if any bits of the company will be picked up by other operators and of course there is one very large hangar.
One or two airlines may be rubbing their hands at the opportunity with the size of the building
My main worry is all the great guys/gals who are going to lose their jobs Good luck

Scottie Dog 23rd Sep 2019 08:17

Very bad news and thoughts are with all TCX staff.

Planned movements for Summer 2019 and Winter 2019 were 13,737 and passengers 3,346,694. These are based on available ACL reports and yusi g planned aircraft.

S19 is nearly over - the end of October and so we will probably be at least 1m pax down by next Summer.

chaps1954 23rd Sep 2019 09:10

I suppose people will change to other companies but that maybe difficult or expensive

Johnny [email protected] Pants 23rd Sep 2019 10:33


Scottie Dog 23rd Sep 2019 10:39

Definitely - taken 4 h8urs to get here from Warrington. Train/tram/walk/bus. No help from staff at Piccadilly. Feel sorry for passengers looking lost at the station.

pabely 23rd Sep 2019 19:38


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 10576888)
I do wonder if any bits of the company will be picked up by other operators and of course there is one very large hangar.

From what I'm hearing, the maintence hangar, this has been proposed to be offloaded for a while now but no-one was intetested. Might be different now that the assets strippers are in.

mufc4evr 24th Sep 2019 20:35

Hi Guys

sorry to change the subject, but has there been any further developments on Juneayo & Spicejet

cheers

redED 25th Sep 2019 10:41


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10577581)
From what I'm hearing, the maintence hangar, this has been proposed to be offloaded for a while now but no-one was intetested. Might be different now that the assets strippers are in.

Never understood why they spent 40k painting it a matter of months ago

Betablockeruk 26th Sep 2019 08:36

So, STN gets a 3 weekly Amritsar service from November 2019 by Air India and MAN's Mumbai service remains dormant?

Sometimes I think my impression that routes do really well, i.e. Jet Airway's Mumbai, is well off!

btw BHX keeps their Amritsar service so not just a transfer.

FFHKG 26th Sep 2019 08:56

No doubt, there has been considerable analysis of the market by AI which indicates that there are insufficient passengers likely to use a service from MAN and that their main customer base is in the Midlands and SE. No airline is going to launch a route without some certainty that it will be profitable in the mid-term. MAN is well served by the ME big three and I suspect that it is one of the reasons there is a reluctance to launch a number of East-bound routes from MAN. Guess Thai could be a case in point as many leisure travellers are quite happy to get off, stretch their legs, and do some duty-free shopping in Dubai, Doha, or Abu Dhabi.

Mr A Tis 26th Sep 2019 09:05

Just to add to the above, when Ive travelled on the evening Finnair(enroute to HKG) it is full of people heading to BKK.

Nostoodian 26th Sep 2019 09:06


Originally Posted by FFHKG (Post 10579861)
No doubt, there has been considerable analysis of the market by AI which indicates that there are insufficient passengers likely to use a service from MAN and that their main customer base is in the Midlands and SE. No airline is going to launch a route without some certainty that it will be profitable in the mid-term. MAN is well served by the ME big three and I suspect that it is one of the reasons there is a reluctance to launch a number of East-bound routes from MAN. Guess Thai could be a case in point as many leisure travellers are quite happy to get off, stretch their legs, and do some duty-free shopping in Dubai, Doha, or Abu Dhabi.

You can Turkish Airlines & Oman Airlines to that list to.

Skipness One Foxtrot 26th Sep 2019 09:10


No doubt, there has been considerable analysis of the market by AI which indicates that there are insufficient passengers likely to use a service from MAN and that their main customer base is in the Midlands and SE. No airline is going to launch a route without some certainty that it will be profitable in the mid-term
Air India undertaking considerable analysis of market conditions before launching a route on a commercially sound footing.? OK hang on, are there two Air Indias? Can't be the one I was thinking of, not even close. That one uses the "airliners.net Patented Magic Dartboard of Route Planning", on a good day, on a bad day it's not even close to that well planned.....

FFMAN 26th Sep 2019 09:11

Amritsar has a very specific demographic - namely the Sikh community.
It is well known that it is mainly based in London and the Midlands, particularly the M1 corridor.
Stansted would seem eminently placed to serve both markets to be honest.

Plane.Silly 26th Sep 2019 09:32


Originally Posted by FFMAN (Post 10579882)
Amritsar has a very specific demographic - namely the Sikh community.
It is well known that it is mainly based in London and the Midlands, particularly the M1 corridor.
Stansted would seem eminently placed to serve both markets to be honest.

Agree with the first part, based on the demographic. Surely with an airport the size of MAN, it's worth trialling something like 2pw to get the interest going.

Being picky, but to serve London, the Midlands and the M1 corridor, wouldn't Luton have been a better option?

Betablockeruk 26th Sep 2019 09:45

I appreciate the demographics with reference to Amritsar, but by all accounts Mumbai was doing well from MAN and I'm surprised no one has stepped in to fill the void.

chaps1954 26th Sep 2019 11:55

Not easy to just step in, aircraft crews need to be added can take months if not more to set up

Una Due Tfc 26th Sep 2019 12:32


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10579877)
Air India undertaking considerable analysis of market conditions before launching a route on a commercially sound footing.? OK hang on, are there two Air Indias? Can't be the one I was thinking of, not even close. That one uses the "airliners.net Patented Magic Dartboard of Route Planning", on a good day, on a bad day it's not even close to that well planned.....

Indeed. It always amuses me when people credit Air India or Thai with any kind of structured analysis. I know both carriers have been heavily linked with launching/relaunching MAN routes in the last couple of years, but seeing as theyre both constantly stumbling from one crisis to the next Id be skeptical..


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