Yes another for Loganair to pick up I suppose !
Running away from the TPE upgrades .

The remodelling of Flybe is taking shape rather quickly .

Also note they have /are suspending Flights from Heathrow to the Isle of Man as well.

Lots from Birmingham some slated for return in spring but we will see as well as the various peripheral stations .

Gotta get down to that 60 frame figure somehow pay the bills and turn the corner for the new investors
( THOSE NONE AIRLINE GUYS AT CYRUS WILL WANT THEIR CASH BACK WITH INTEREST RATHER QUICKLY )

Certainly not in it for the longer term if you ask me .

Rutan16, you sound quite informed about the Saudi flights which have been going for several years now at MAN.
I think you'll find CabinCrewe prefers to post negative comments about MAN, rather than any good news about new routes or decent load factors.

What struck me about Scottie's excellent stats were the exceptional loads experienced by the likes of United on their B764, and, despite the current troubles in Hong Kong, 88% achieved by CX. Yes, we don't have specific data about revenue and yields, and there will be seasonal variations, but it never looks to me as if fares are particularly cheap, and if seat plans are anything to go by the premium sections are often well patronised. The high loads on SFO and LAX suggest there is scope for VS to reintroduce SFO and expand their services at least on a seasonal basis.

As for flybe, I did notice that from November, flights to Glasgow are shown as 1 stop via Southampton, which is rather absurd. We wait to see how the flybe / Virgin / Connect operation develops.

Mafold yes cabin crew is pretty consistent . A chap/chap’es of the cup /glass half empty persuasion and not just on the Manchester thread .Try the Edinburgh threads as well.

Still it’s worth it to me to a least here a differing none toading opinion from time to time.

Saudi - Very close relative with connections !

My own business is more in the elevator travelator industries actually.

Load factors
 

It would seem that my well intentioned attempt at providing a synopsis of load factors has created quite a discussion on the pros and cons of the viability of certain routes.

The majority of these comments have been rather negative and, in all honesty, seem to be made by forum members who only look at the basic numbers. They appear to have no knowledge what so ever of the routes being debated - such as Houston being shared with Singapore origination traffic and Addis Ababa being split with Brussels. The base figures for both Baghdad and Jeddah appear low but again, with the exception of a couple of sensible posts, no thought has been given to fares changed - these are not low cost carrier routes.

I have decided that in future when posting my monthly analysis, which I do hope you find to be of interest, I will exclude my attempt at checking load factors. If anyone is really interest I'm more than happy to supply them "off forum" so please send me a PM.

Scottie Dog

Flybe
 

Flybe

This probably should be on the Flybe thread but the route structure of the "old" Flybe is already below 60 frames and could it be some early termination of leases otherwise a lot of aircraft sitting around.

I make it 55 departures on Monday morning and for winter after this latest cut, the requirement is for around 46 aircraft based on their own website and it will be 44 by the time the Isle of Man base reverts to the ATR. I might have missed one or two but as you say it is now happening fast.

Here ay BHX we are not holding our breath for the return of Milan, Lyon and Berlin in late February/early March although TUI are still selling Flybe Milan Wednesday and Saturday in summer.

Pete

By virtue of the operation itself being conducted on behalf of the Government, you’d think so.

I'm afraid it's the way MAN interpret the rulings on Security in that if you haven't been screened to U.K standards, then you will not be allowed to mix with outbound passengers. MAN extends this ruling to include Flight crew too and make no exceptions.

Certainly not just MAN, LGW is the same, and I assume that the same rules apply across the whole of the UK. If you arrive on an international flight then if you disembark you must clear immigration and customs, unless you were operating crew and did not embark or disembark abroad.
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That's a lot of pax for Newquay?

The airport App does have glitches like this!! Certainly makes for interesting statistics if you believed it every time 😏

Here we go in 2020:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ervice-in-w19/

The fallout from Thomas Cook continues.

Ground handling agents Aviator are to close the MAN station on 22nd October.