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garry8g 9th Nov 2016 22:34

I see Jet2's next 738 G-JZHM (c/n 63570) is on route to the UK this evening, just leaving the Greenland coast, flight no. GJZHM, don't know where it's heading to in the UK yet.

irishlad06 9th Nov 2016 22:43

Heading to MAN and will then complete its pre entry into service checks and seat fitting. The painting will be completed in either EMA or BOH.

INKJET 10th Nov 2016 07:49

Why aren't they painted in the factory and ditto the seats ?

ATNotts 10th Nov 2016 10:12


Originally Posted by INKJET (Post 9573639)
Why aren't they painted in the factory and ditto the seats ?

Perhaps, because since Brexit the cost of doing the finishing costs 20% more in sterling terms than it did on 22 June?

Wow, I've found a plus point for the Brexit vote!!! :D

Flap40 10th Nov 2016 21:28

The seats are made near LGW so there is little point in shipping them half way round the world just to fly them back again.
For the Jet2 Holidays livery Boeing do the basic blue and white and the rest is done here. Something to do with the difficulty of painting the sun.

bjones4 14th Nov 2016 00:23

Is there anything definite yet on the source of next summers Manchester based A330-200?

Johnny [email protected] Pants 14th Nov 2016 07:35


Is there anything definite yet on the source of next summers Manchester based A330-200?
Yes there is.

Rivet Joint 14th Nov 2016 09:14

Is anyone able to explain why they have two different liveries? Personally, I think their holiday one is tacky beyond belief and makes them look like a tinpot operation whereas their silver one is quite classy. It's also confusing them having two liveries. Weird decision.

chaps1954 14th Nov 2016 09:52

One for Jet2 and one for Jet2 Holidays

Ian

Cazza_fly 14th Nov 2016 09:54


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 9577896)
Is anyone able to explain why they have two different liveries? Personally, I think their holiday one is tacky beyond belief and makes them look like a tinpot operation whereas their silver one is quite classy. It's also confusing them having two liveries. Weird decision.

The Jet2 holidays livery is more a "billboard" to promote the Jet2 holiday brand.

I personally wouldn't say it's confusing. They manage to market well enough so that while customers know its a seperate part of the businness it's still part of Jet2.com the airline. Its also worked extremely well as it is now considered as part of the "top 3" in the UK behind Thomson and Thomas Cook. Not bad work in just a small few years!

Jamesair 15th Nov 2016 08:15

We are being blitzed with TV adverts for the new STN routes in London and you see their freight company trucks with Jet 2 emblazoned on the sides going up and down the A1.
Whoever is handling their campaign is doing a good job of raising awareness of the brand down here.

chaps1954 15th Nov 2016 08:47

Yes their adverts are pretty good and as you say they manage to sqeeze all their sections of the business into one advert

Ian

Rivet Joint 15th Nov 2016 15:47

Fair enough, that's some going. Not much mentioned about their holidays operation down south so didn't know it was such a big part of the business.

Leeds Spotter 19th Nov 2016 16:31

This weeks figures from Dart show how compared to Easyjet their business plan is working.
Profits are up 12% and revenue 21%. Easyjet profits down 28% and revenue dwon 0.4%.
Easyjet state their internal europe flights outside the u.k. are hemorrhaging money. Easyjet shares now down by 50%.
Jet2 must be glad they only fly out the u.k. in the main, internal europe business a nightmare at the moment.

flydog 19th Nov 2016 16:40

are they actually recruiting?

toledoashley 19th Nov 2016 16:58

Ironically, it is the Euro structure which EZY claims is their strength. The UK - Beach market has remained surprisingly resilient.

skyman771 20th Nov 2016 21:09

So with all this positivity new deiveries, bright schemes, expansion STN , BHX etc., then am I missing something..
to go down a well trodden path then JET2 continues to operate one of the largest fleets (26!) of ageing 733's, some over 30 years old, average age 26.2 years. In addition well over over 50% of contemporary frames have been scrapped or stored never to fly again.
Now I'm not questioning the quality of JET2's engineering maintenance & accept that the engines themselves are probably as old or young as those of any other operator, but there is something a little disturbing when one considers the amount of stress that these aircraft have suffered over such a long period.
It's clearly not a marketing point, & the glossy colours & bright interiors can hide quite a lot to the unassuming holiday maker.
The obvious conclusion with these new deliveries would be retirement of these old frames, but is this consistent with the forthcoming route expansion?
More tellingly how many of the new deliveries are to end up replacing old 733 routes at existing northern airports, or conversely allocated to STN / BHX ?

EK77WNCL 20th Nov 2016 22:13

I don't see why it should be such a problem, Lufthansa have similar aged planes, as do British Airways. I have every confidence in Jet2's maintenance and just as with every operator, the oldest/most used aircraft will be retired first

Personally I'd much rather fly on one of the older aircraft, but I understand that I'm the minority. Very much looking forward to my NCL-EWR flight on 8th December, and hoping I get 'AB or 'AE, the 2 oldest ETOPS 757's

chaps1954 20th Nov 2016 22:49

They have also some of the newest aircraft with 5 aircraft less than 2 months old and many many more to come

seagull 21st Nov 2016 08:08

Ezy 495 million in profit!!
Don't worry to much, darts profits again?

compton3bravo 21st Nov 2016 08:26

Sorry Leeds spotter could you point me in the easyJet annual report where it says the non-UK domestic services are haemorrhaging money because I cannot find it anywhere. If they were I am sure they would have decided to stop flying the routes. Also it is easyJet NOT Easyjet.

Malaga 21st Nov 2016 09:28

Are we writing in English or marketing lingo?

compton3bravo 21st Nov 2016 11:53

Ingles Senor!

skyman771 21st Nov 2016 18:34

EK77WNCL
Who said it was a problem ? If it's not a problem then I would assume to see a reasonable distribution of the existing 733's to newer routes / bases as new deloiveries spread evenly across whole network.
But then that isn't going to happen is it ?.........................:suspect:

EK77WNCL 21st Nov 2016 21:01

Oh God yeah... I think there will be "certain" bases that get all the new 738's before others. Bar one or 2 for performance reasons from NCL/LBA I think we'll be 2 to stay with quite a lot of old 738's and 733's

Big earners like MAN, BHX and STN (maybe EDI) will attract the new aircraft first, which is understandable, obviously. More money and more utilisation will be important after such a large investment, the 733's and 1st gen 738's are paid for

I don't mind, it's quite entertaining watching them use every inch of runway at NCL on a warm, calm day

Callum Paterson 21st Nov 2016 22:06

Big earners... how do you know what bases earn more for Jet2? STN hasn't even launched yet!! And GLA has long been a bigger base than EDI, despite opening a good decade later.

inOban 21st Nov 2016 23:45

Is that correct, Callum? Next summer there will be 29 destinations from GLA and 33 from EDI. One advantage in EDI is that there is no competition from TCX.

sf01 22nd Nov 2016 07:29


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 9585757)
Is that correct, Callum? Next summer there will be 29 destinations from GLA and 33 from EDI. One advantage in EDI is that there is no competition from TCX.

EDI has more destinations but GLA is a larger base which is all 737-800, and GLA also has more flights.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 22nd Nov 2016 07:53


Big earners like MAN, BHX and STN (maybe EDI) will attract the new aircraft first
From what we have been told, next year will see the new aeroplanes in exactly these bases. I know nothing of the supposed "big earners", however there is a strategy behind ring fencing the new aeroplanes to certain bases at first, that is the requirement of different sets of spares, by putting the aeroplanes in just the 3 locations, there is no requirement to have more spares in the system at other bases.

chaps1954 22nd Nov 2016 08:38

So far the new ones are Manchester (2) and Leeds (1) with 2 being configured with another
due next week with all but HJ and HK being delivered via MAN

EK77WNCL 22nd Nov 2016 15:54

Manchester as Jet2's largest base, and Birmingham and Stansted as much more wealthy catchment areas (and based on the size of the bases from the outset), I think it's safe to class them as "big earners" to be honest

Be interesting to see if LS keep taking on second hand aircraft as well, I wonder if the 73G and 739 could be future contenders to cover the top and bottom end.

sunday8pm 22nd Nov 2016 16:17

How many aircraft does Jet2 base at EMA? What are the likely implications on the base with BHX opening down the road?

FRatSTN 22nd Nov 2016 16:21

From S17, EMA will be 4x 738s and 3x 733s Which is an increase from S16.

I don't think you'll see much impact from BHX other than that EMA probably won't be quite as much a focus for growth as it has been in recent years.

nwoody2001 22nd Nov 2016 20:02

Has anyone else heard rumours that BHX could be receiving a 5th based unit sometime in 2017?!

FRatSTN 22nd Nov 2016 20:06

Looking at the W17/18 schedule it looks as if BHX and STN will both require an extra aircraft, taking them to 5 and 7 based respectively.

igo2fly 23rd Nov 2016 05:24

I got vgtd 1.91 and vgmx 1.27 off a good landing how did I get these readings these readings

Callum Paterson 23rd Nov 2016 09:32


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 9585757)
Is that correct, Callum? Next summer there will be 29 destinations from GLA and 33 from EDI. One advantage in EDI is that there is no competition from TCX.

Yes it is correct. Jet2 has 6 737-800s at Glasgow all of which do two return trips to Europe per day, carrying significantly more passengers than they do from any other airport in Scotland. All the more impressive concidering the GLA base opened a decade after EDI.

TSR2 24th Nov 2016 08:23


I got vgtd 1.91 and vgmx 1.27 off a good landing how did I get these readings these readings
Could you explain ?

Johnny [email protected] Pants 24th Nov 2016 13:24


I got vgtd 1.91 and vgmx 1.27 off a good landing how did I get these readings these readings
I have no idea how you got these readings, please enlighten us, and while you're at it you could perhaps embellish us with what on earth you are actually talking about????

Leeds Spotter 24th Nov 2016 15:05

Seagull. Darts profits were 163m for 6 months a 12% increase, Easyjet 468m for a full year and a reduction of 28%.
I sold my Easyjet shares at 18 each, today low 10.
With regard age of the fleet, G-CELJ goes for scrapping tomorrow, CELR, CELZ, CELS and CELB to my knowledge have already gone.
When the Royal Mail contract ceases next year I am sure a number of QC planes will go and there is a minimum 16 planned in the next year.
With half the fleet (30) under a year old this will bring the age down considerably.
I am not sure though the age of the fleet has any bearing on its operation, unfortunately has been used against Jet2 when no other negative can be found.


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