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pamann 1st Sep 2016 22:10

I think Stansted is a definite winner, if you look at other airports like BHX, they have ZB, BE, FR, TOM, TCX, VY and now Jet2. Similar at many other airports they operate from incl. MAN and EMA. When you compare that to STN there isn't actually that level of competition. What they will have to go up against to some degree is a dominant FR, but with the right mix of routes and different dynamics (i.e: Jet2 Holidays) in my opinion would be good entry point for the SE market incl. London.

They also seem to be heavily in the media (on TV that is) down here in the south. Maybe it's about time?

pug 1st Sep 2016 22:38

I don't see anything to suggest that there will be more new bases next year..?

Might be wrong, but isnt establishing BHX going to use up a lot of resources anyway? There may well be plans for more expansion, but where and when may not have even been decided yet.

Trav a la 1st Sep 2016 22:40

The fact that STN is a MAG airport could be influential in their decision.

AirGuru 1st Sep 2016 22:51


Originally Posted by pug (Post 9493894)
I don't see anything to suggest that there will be more new bases next year..?

Might be wrong, but isnt establishing BHX going to use up a lot of resources anyway? There may well be plans for more expansion, but where and when may not have even been decided yet.

Possibly not Pug, but the news article does state they wish to add additional UK departure points. Seems to be a large number of jobs to be created without any additional base openings really ?

Letsflycwl 1st Sep 2016 22:55

There was also an article on the BBC I think on Tuesday where they stated they aim to open up additional European routes and additional UK basis

chaps1954 1st Sep 2016 23:06

Over 400 of those jobs are MAN/LBA and with the new maintenance facility at MAN
you cab see why plus 4 extra aircraft at MAN as well




Ian

nwoody2001 2nd Sep 2016 09:20

well remember, according to the press release, 200 of those jobs and 4 of those aircraft will be accounted for in the new BHX base for Summer 2017.


it will also be interesting to see what Jet2 have in store for BHX in W17/18 following this quote:


"Speaking to Ian Doubtfire, Business Development Director at Jet2.com and Jet2holidays on the day of the launch, anna.aero’s Editor Marc Watkins asked him about the decision to move into such a crowded market. “We’re starting destinations from Birmingham where we have a strong holiday product, with great hotels and support services on the ground, so it makes perfect sense for us.” Although introducing a four-aircraft base represents a huge slug of capacity for Birmingham, Doubtfire feels like there are other opportunities to be had. “This is just the start for us at Birmingham. First we have to sort out the W17/18 programme, but we will be certainly expanding here in the future.”
Jet2.com announces Birmingham base

Consequently, I'd like to think a few more aircraft and jobs will also be coming to BHX in the next 12 months...

chaps1954 2nd Sep 2016 10:04

4 aircraft crews will account for around the 100 mark

Ian

Callum Paterson 2nd Sep 2016 11:19


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 9494321)
4 aircraft crews will account for around the 100 mark

Ian

With Glasgow getting 80 new staff members does that imply two additional aircraft?

terrain safe 2nd Sep 2016 12:24

The big rumour at the moment is STN with 5 based aircraft for 2017 rising in 2018 to over 10 based. But who knows really?

LiamNCL 2nd Sep 2016 14:07


Originally Posted by nonfrequentflyer_NCL (Post 9493156)
@LiamNCL

New a/c at NCL or a re-shuffle of the existing a/c? Hoping for new.

Not sure but would 90 new jobs hint at a 8th based A/C in 2017 ?

pug 2nd Sep 2016 14:36

STN would be the logical next step IMO. I don't see what use CWL would be when clearly expansion is focused on the largest conurbations.

MerchantVenturer 2nd Sep 2016 14:58

If STN is to become the next Jet2 base, after that further options are limited if the airline wants to cover the entire country.

Others have already pointed out the pros for CWL: it is underserved in many of the popular sun routes (especially), and the fact that the Wales government has provided its airport with a multi-million pound routes 'war chest' loan might also be a positive factor.

If Jet2 did go to CWL a two-aircraft base would seem to be a likely beginning. bmi baby showed there was and no doubt still is a market for sun routes, but this would obviously lead Jet2 into competition with Vueling which itself has gradually increased its summer sun route frequencies, as well as with TUI and Thomas Cook.

Jet2 would still be missing out on the generally well-off West Country market but might judge that existing airlines at BRS have the market there covered and, anyway, they might be able to attract some passengers from there to their new BHX and CWL (if it came) bases.

It might be worthwhile looking at what the Jet2 CEO is actually quoted as saying which is: "We have exciting plans to expand the number of destinations we fly to, as well as the number of UK bases we fly from, and this means that our team is growing all the time too."

Given that airlines and airports are arguably better than Shane Warne when it comes to spin, the allusion to expanding the number of UK bases might simply mean BHX, which has been announced but not yet started, and an as yet unannounced base which many believe to be Stansted.

If they intend going beyond that I would certainly not bet against CWL.

goldeneye 2nd Sep 2016 15:31

Given its origins as Channel Express, is there a chance that BOH could be on the cards as a base ?

SWBKCB 2nd Sep 2016 16:03

As well as the national press release, there's clearly been regional press releases/briefings as follows:

1.MAN - 300

300 new jobs created by Jet2 at Manchester Airport - Manchester Evening News


2.BFS - 50

Jet2.com to create 50 new jobs in Belfast - Belfast Live


3.GLA - 80

Budget airline Jet2 to create 80 pilot and cabin crew jobs


4.LBA - 135

Jet2.com set to create 1,000 jobs - Yorkshire Evening Post


5.NCL - 90

Newcastle jobs created by Jet2 as part of UK drive to fill 1,000 roles - Chronicle Live


6.EDI - 80

Jet2.com are recruiting | The Edinburgh Reporter


7.EMA - 80

Pilot and cabin crew roles among 80 jobs created by Jet2.com at East Midlands Airport | Derby Telegraph

Adds upto 815 plus 200 for BHX??

pug 2nd Sep 2016 16:18

MerchantVenturer, the CEO has said in various presentations that the focus on growth is to 'secure the fort' before moving on elsewhere. BHX is the first new base in many years. I am in no doubt that there will be a new base at some point - when I'm not sure, they keep understandably tight lipped - but another big base near London would seem to be a key strategic move. Therefore, I fully believe any new base would be somewhere in the South East. STN would fit that bill.

Jet2 are now becoming a major player in the UK, the fleet is certainly one of the largest now. I think the days of growth into smaller, secondary airports is over. There could be some surprises, but I've no idea where the CWL rumour came from...?

bycrewlgw 2nd Sep 2016 19:16


Originally Posted by pug (Post 9494662)
I've no idea where the CWL rumour came from...?

Pug there's a rumour doing the rounds at CWL that a loco is coming next summer. It is only a rumour and nothing said whether it's a base or increased offering from VY or FR etc. It is only a rumour with nothing substantiated.

daz211 2nd Sep 2016 20:20

Just trying to do a bit of digging on the STN rumour
And thought I would take a look at Jet2 careers on the jet2 website to see if anything was listed for Stansted but the only London airport in the drop down list was Luton !
However no jobs were listed.

Mr Angry from Purley 2nd Sep 2016 20:25

Great news continues for Jet 2. Last year it was doom and gloom from pilots stating there would be issues in summer 2016. Not seen much of that. Good luck to them for the future

Flying Wild 3rd Sep 2016 14:59


Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley (Post 9494904)
Great news continues for Jet 2. Last year it was doom and gloom from pilots stating there would be issues in summer 2016. Not seen much of that. Good luck to them for the future

There have been plenty of issues, though people have generally been getting on with the job regardless. I've had plenty of changes on my roster.

Ivan aromer 3rd Sep 2016 18:22


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 9495629)
There have been plenty of issues, though people have generally been getting on with the job regardless. I've had plenty of changes on my roster.

Yes me too, and the share price still in the doldrums.��

HeartyMeatballs 3rd Sep 2016 18:25

It's primarily a UK based leisure company. It's share price is taking a hammering in line with most companies in the industry. It's nothing to be too concerned about (unless you're a shareholder!).

Council Van 3rd Sep 2016 21:47

Roster is very stable and it has been an easy Summer, those who are having a tough time must be on the wrong type.:=

Marcus Absent 4th Sep 2016 08:41


Roster is very stable and it has been an easy Summer, those who are having a tough time must be on the wrong type.

Or Trainers!!!

Mr Angry from Purley 4th Sep 2016 17:40

Flying Wild /Ivan
Plenty of roster changes
And?
I presume you've had some days off and been paid handsomely also.
:mad::D

B737900er 4th Sep 2016 18:17

PMI will be a new base similar to ALC i heard.

Flying Wild 4th Sep 2016 22:18


Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley (Post 9496774)
Flying Wild /Ivan
Plenty of roster changes
And?
I presume you've had some days off and been paid handsomely also.
:mad::D

Plenty of roster changes due to constantly yo-yoing against the 100 in 28 days limit due to poor planning/retention. Paid handsomely? All the money in the world doesn't help when you're trying to stay awake for the drive home at 3am after nudging over the 100 hours on the return sector. It's OK though because it's all 'legal'... and yes, I have filed fatigue reports this summer.
I'm sure you'll cry me a river.

MKY661 4th Sep 2016 23:23

If Jet2 were to establish a third base not situated in the UK my money is on AGP :)

EK77WNCL 5th Sep 2016 01:06

I'd say it would be a toss up between AGP or TFS/ACE, I'm sure they based a 738 at ACE one winter a few years ago, because it was the first Jet2 scheduled flight into NCL a couple of times a week

Ivan aromer 5th Sep 2016 07:03


Originally Posted by EK77WNCL (Post 9497115)
I'd say it would be a toss up between AGP or TFS/ACE, I'm sure they based a 738 at ACE one winter a few years ago, because it was the first Jet2 scheduled flight into NCL a couple of times a week

It was a 75 and based @ TFS

Johnny [email protected] Pants 5th Sep 2016 18:09


I'm sure they based a 738 at ACE one winter a few years ago

It was a 75 and based @ TFS
It was both in the past. Both very much temporary bases. In fact the ACE basing didn't last the full winter season and was operated with the Czech 738 that was leased.

TSR2 5th Sep 2016 19:11


In fact the ACE basing didn't last the full winter season and was operated with the Czech 738 that was leased.
Spot on. In fact the leased Travel Service B738 flew part of the winter season from Ace to/from Blackpool.

INKJET 5th Sep 2016 21:43

I think Jet2 rightly placed an aircraft in ALC to provide a rapid response should they have a tech issue in Spain, it is always going to be quicker to resolve that with a standby aircraft nearby, of course some of this was probably in response to the care levels that are expected (and protected) with inclusive tours holidays.

With regard to the share price, well they go up and down just the same as everyone else, as this season winds down all eyes will be on next years forward bookings, if the pound remains weak in to early new year people will likely hold off committing to multiple EU holidays and with Sharm, Tunisia and parts of Turkey off limits, then many will only look at EU destinations or the states and Jet2 can't really do the latter with very old 757's up against operators with 787's other than Xmas specials.

Brexit and 25+ new 738's are a toxic mix for an airline that is very seasonal in its operation, 2017 will be a challenging year for all airlines, aren't they all! but thus far things have worked out for Jet2 and i suspect that they will again, they need to replace their older aircraft and i'm sure they will have got a good deal on run out production of NG prior to the MAX, but out of the box the max will fly faster, higher and use less fuel, be it FR with 200 seats or Norwegian flying from Spain to the UK with a Spanish cost base.

Jet2 should size the moment and become a true pan European airline whilst a EU accepted AOC allows, the new 738NG are ideal to base in LPA/TFS/FUE/ACE flying to Scandinavia in winter, good use of the asset is the secret to good returns

Marcus Absent 6th Sep 2016 10:55

A 757 FAO base aircraft could cover all fleets and. Spain/Portugal/Canaries. I doubt they have 1 spare though

B737900er 6th Sep 2016 17:21

Portugal is very expensive and ALC is already set up. A B757 based in ALC would be the ideal situation.

EI-BUD 7th Sep 2016 08:49

Of course Inkjet,
A base in the Canary Islands flying to Scandinavia, never worry about DY or SK.... I'm not convinced. Jet2 has very clearly been going primarily after the inclusive tour market, this is a key differentiator for them, this coupled with low aircraft costs has allowed them to compete effectively with FR EZY etc. Does that model need ac arriving at destinations around the same time to feed to bus connections etc?

The jury is out on the impact of Brexit at this point, some signs point to it not being as devastating as 1St anticipated... And the exchange rate is improving.. Though as pointed out any softening in demand could be particularly painful with the burden of new aircraft cost. However, If the holiday model is working they probably are better placed than other airlines...

rudolf 8th Sep 2016 07:17

AGM Statement:

The Board is also pleased to announce London Stansted Airport as our ninth UK base. We expect to welcome customers on board our holiday flights from this new base in spring 2017. We believe that London Stansted has great potential for our holiday business, serving the populations of North and East London and the East of England.

ib26uk 8th Sep 2016 07:28

Great news regarding Stansted - Was there every any doubt about STN being the 9th base?

LTNman 8th Sep 2016 08:01

I would think it was the only London Airport that could handle them with the slots and spare capacity they required.

Council Van 8th Sep 2016 08:12

Will we have an aircraft with 'NORTH East London's favourite airline' painted on the side.


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