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HolmLeigh 18th Aug 2016 23:18

Roster Disruption continues at J2 unabated
 
For anybody thinking of joining us, think very carefully before you decide. There are many more much 'Pilot Friendlier' airlines out there.

Roster disruption is endemic at Jet2. It always has been and it looks as though it always will be. The company says it's the same with other companies , maybe so but not to the extent it is at J2.

Asking around at the moment as to why people are leaving and the most popular answers are, Roster Stability and the managements ludicrous decision recently to make all simulator stand in duties assessable.

Previously, simulator stand in duties were viewed as valuable extra simulator exposure in between your own LPC/OPC which would be rostered twice a year. I gather with some other companies, simulator stand in is voluntary and you are actually asked if you would be prepared to stand in.
Not at J2, somebody who is rostered for simulator stand in, is in as much jeopardy as the person on check. Some people are getting 2 or 3 stand ins per month. It is particularly stressful for Senior F/Os who , getting near to command previously needed to work towards good sim grades twice a year. Now they have a potential 'Career buster' maybe 2 or 3 times a month !

It's becoming such a sensitive issue that crewing are keeping sim stand ins from the rosters and calling you from home standby at the very last minute to cut down on 'sickness'

Chesty Morgan 18th Aug 2016 23:27

Really? Absolutely not an issue if you're a competent professional.

Council Van 19th Aug 2016 01:21

My latest stand in is 14 days notice though I do get more than my fare share, in my opinion.

At my previous operator double jepoardy applied. Is it not a CAA requirements anyway?

Johnny [email protected] Pants 19th Aug 2016 03:29


the managements ludicrous decision recently to make all simulator stand in duties assessable.
Stand in always was and will be double jeopardy. As a stand in during an LPC or OPC you are not required to do much except operate competently as PM for the vast majority of the time, if you can't cope with that then maybe you should be taking a look at your professional attitude.

If, as I suspect, you are referring to LOE's then these are just like doing a Line Check when it is your FO or Captain who is on check, effectively you are on check too, again all that is required is a competent level of performance, just like it should be on any day of the week.

As for the number of Stand Ins that you are rostered, have you spoken to Crew Planning, your Base Captain, or the relevant Manager to try to resolve the "issue"?

INKJET 19th Aug 2016 08:21

So you want a roster that tells you in advance that on xx day you will have an engine failure for real........its a bit like driving home p****d and telling the police that if you knew you'd be stopped you wouldn't have had that extra pint!! and this from a company that likes to boast that its recruitment/HR depart is the best in the business, if you fly everyday as though it were a line check it becomes second nature.

HeartyMeatballs 19th Aug 2016 09:53

At my outfit we call it sandbagging. If you're near to a sim and on standby then you can get called in. I bumped into someone the other day and he told me his mate was called in twice last month to sandbag.

Each training event you do raises a training report. However I don't think a training report is raised if you are the sandbag but I do know that if you mess up then you will be treated in the same way as if you were on your LPC OPC LOE. It is however not voluntary. You are required to do it exactly the same as any other duty.

I can imagine this is more common for the LBA based guys with the sim being just down the road? At our bases with the sims it is much more common.

Council Van 19th Aug 2016 10:36

Roster stability.

The sim stand in with 14 days notice I mentioned above is only my third change in 3 months, that is hardly traumatic amount of changes is it?

The only thing he that count on your roster are days off, for the other days Jet2 own you. If you want their money then do as they command.

chaders 19th Aug 2016 13:30

Stand ins have never been 'no jeopardy' the only thing that's changed is the report writing at the end as far as I'm aware. As for them not showing on ones roster I have one rostered for the end of September so that can't be right. Disruption seems to affect some more than others. I've obviously got off lightly from the sound of it. This summer I've hardly had any changes.

Council Van 19th Aug 2016 19:34

Oh no, another roster change!


Stand in sim has been taken off me, how will I cope.

Jet2_738 19th Aug 2016 19:40

Win a Trip to Boeing, Seattle, USA - Jet2.com & Jet2holidays

RE the new aircraft, the PR team have put together what they call a 'once in a lifetime' trip to Seattle to see it, including return flights, spending money and 3 nights in the city, aswell as a holiday to Tenerife. And a trip to Boeing’s Museum of Flight for the official unveiling of the frame and ceremonial signing event.

The first aircraft is 'officially' unveiled at a press event on Monday 12th September.

RVF750 19th Aug 2016 19:46

Shame we can't enter......

CSman 19th Aug 2016 21:13

Seattle wonderful part of the world, been there many times when I was working, went to Seattle for a short holiday in July I did a trip around the Boeing factory, very poor, no cameras allowed not even on the flightline In contrast Boeing Museum of Flight,wonderful,would urge any one on a visit to Seattle to go there

BFS BHD 20th Aug 2016 21:18

Any idea what happened to B733 G-GDFB at Tenerife? Hasn't moved from last night after coming in from Belfast.

Council Van 20th Aug 2016 21:22

It appears that the Manch 757 stby set off to rescue the customers earlier today.

It arrived at Belfast at half nine this evening.

LEEDS APPROACH 21st Aug 2016 09:11


Originally Posted by Jet2_738 (Post 9479298)
Win a Trip to Boeing, Seattle, USA - Jet2.com & Jet2holidays

RE the new aircraft, the PR team have put together what they call a 'once in a lifetime' trip to Seattle to see it, including return flights, spending money and 3 nights in the city, aswell as a holiday to Tenerife. And a trip to Boeing’s Museum of Flight for the official unveiling of the frame and ceremonial signing event.

The first aircraft is 'officially' unveiled at a press event on Monday 12th September.

I wonder if it will be a replacement for 'Jet2 Yorkshire'? G-CELB?

bjones4 30th Aug 2016 01:22

First of the new 737-8MGs complete and awaiting paint out on the flight line - https://flic.kr/p/LuwtKR

Any ideas on what the registration of this one will be?

irishlad06 30th Aug 2016 03:57

Any ideas on what the registration of this one will be?[/QUOTE]



G-JZHJ confirmed.

MerchantVenturer 31st Aug 2016 12:23

Expansion
 
Jet2.com to create almost 1,000 new jobs - BBC News

Jet2 is to create nearly 1,000 new jobs, including 180 pilots, 700 cabin crew and 80 engineers.

The CEO is quoted: "We have exciting plans to expand the number of destinations we fly to, as well as the number of UK bases we fly from, and this means that our team is growing all the time too."

HeartyMeatballs 31st Aug 2016 13:52

As much as I want them to succeed the expansion and the 30 brand new 737s with mortgages need paid. With the economic winds strengthening, a softening demand due to geopolitics and a step change in the business plan, are they not over exposing themselves to risk?

CSman 31st Aug 2016 15:00

I do hope that I am wrong,but being an old timer have seen this situation before, Company buys lots of New aircraft ,rapid expansion .I refer of course to Court line,one moment the top of the tree, next gone Many good people lost their jobs Hope Jet2 do not fall into this trap

Fletch 31st Aug 2016 15:29

Jet2 has an ageing fleet and need new(er) aeroplanes. In today's market of cheap money, and the opportunity no doubt to screw Boeing on price in order for them to fill production slots before the introduction of the Max, what would be a more cost effective way to obtain new/additional aeroplanes? Aeroplanes cost money and airlines need aeroplanes.
With some of the order to replace existing airframes, expansion is significant but manageable in my opinion. With the exception of the seasonality of the business and it being UK centric (which need addressing), Jet2 are in a far stronger position than some of it's competitors. The BHX base is no doubt intended to heap more pressure on Monarch.

inOban 31st Aug 2016 15:35

Jet2 4
 
I assume that the recruitment drive announced today is to cover the additional services already timetabled for S17.

Also, if Edinburgh is anything to go by, they must have made a tidy sum providing additional, short notice flights to the Spanish resorts this summer.

Ivan aromer 31st Aug 2016 16:37


Originally Posted by CSman (Post 9492196)
I do hope that I am wrong,but being an old timer have seen this situation before, Company buys lots of New aircraft ,rapid expansion .I refer of course to Court line,one moment the top of the tree, next gone Many good people lost their jobs Hope Jet2 do not fall into this trap

And still the share price continues its slow slide, so some are not convinced that its all go at no fun finder house.

Letsflycwl 31st Aug 2016 16:42

With this announcement today, just hoping we get to see Jet2 more at Cardiff.....

Council Van 31st Aug 2016 20:23

Bristol is just over the river from Cardiff, not far to travel as a one a year trip to go on holiday.

eggc 31st Aug 2016 21:12

300 of those jobs, 4 new based aircraft and hangar are all destined for MAN if the jungle drums are to be believed. Apparently stands will surround the hangar as that's the only place the new based a/c will fit ! The hangar is MON's and will be a nice bus trip around the airfield for pax boarding there.

Callum Paterson 31st Aug 2016 21:16

80 new Jet2 jobs at Glasgow for Summer 2017. Additional based aircraft?

Mooncrest 31st Aug 2016 22:00

Seems like every bugger in the country wants those extra jobs and new aircraft. I hope there's space to park them - very limited at HQ. New jobs are, of course, always welcome.

LBIA 31st Aug 2016 22:25

135 new jobs for LBA. So far 1x extra B738 based aircraft confirmed for next summer with a possible 2nd replacing the leased in aircraft (That been Titan B752 this summer)).

Jetaway 31st Aug 2016 22:38


Originally Posted by eggc (Post 9492608)
300 of those jobs, 4 new based aircraft and hangar are all destined for MAN if the jungle drums are to be believed. Apparently stands will surround the hangar as that's the only place the new based a/c will fit ! The hangar is MON's and will be a nice bus trip around the airfield for pax boarding there.

Stands cannot surround the hanger as it is technically landside, and there is no room as Air Livery, TCX, and Motor Transport have hangers there as well.

eggc 31st Aug 2016 22:55

Well they are going over there somewhere...maybe on the ramp infront of the TCX hangar, which is close enough to the hangar for someone to describe it as I've heard. There is no room for them on T1 so makes sense they'll end up remote somewhere.

LiamNCL 1st Sep 2016 06:22

90 New jobs at NCL

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 1st Sep 2016 10:16

@LiamNCL

New a/c at NCL or a re-shuffle of the existing a/c? Hoping for new.

Chesty Morgan 1st Sep 2016 10:20

Probably one of the fist new ones going to NCL.

chaps1954 1st Sep 2016 10:27

When does the Manchester hangar become operational?

Ian

AirGuru 1st Sep 2016 20:40

Personally i cannot see Jet2 setting up base at BRS, too much competition on the routes that they would seek to offer and ramp capacity issues for morning aircraft especially, pretty much rules out a base.

CWL for me would be the natural second option after STN (which i presume is the front-runner in the rumour stakes at this moment in time). Still a relatively untapped catchment since the demise of Baby all those years ago, many routes still underserved on what they once were, plus an article today has highlighted that the Cardiff City Region is 'Booming' at present.

Other options could be BOH, SOU, although the former pretty much serves its catchment well enough, with a pretty decent FR presence at the peak of Summer. SOU - relatively limited runway may hinder some of the routes, plus this serves its catchment quite well too.

For this number of jobs to be created i'm assuming there will be more than 1 new base opening in the next year or so.

BasilFawlty 1st Sep 2016 20:46

FR, EZY, TCX, TOM, they are all well represented at STN, that wouldn't be a smart move in my view. I can see CWL working for them, as well as ABZ and perhaps BOH, EXT, or HUY.

AirGuru 1st Sep 2016 20:52

I suppose Basil, but look at the huge market that they can tap into. I agree with your CWL remarks, and possibly BOH, but EXT is predominantly BE, and whether HUY would ever sustain a Jet2 base, nobody knows, although i suppose that could be said about all of them.

My money is on STN and CWL for next Summer.

Letsflycwl 1st Sep 2016 22:01

I've heard rumours about CWL for a while and really hope it does happen, it'll be exactly what CWL needs but hope they will offer alternate bucket & spade routes to VY (ALC, BCN, AGP & PMI) and BE (FAO).

If this was going to be the case when would they officially announce this ? It would have to be kind of soon for Summer 2017

AirGuru 1st Sep 2016 22:05

Doubt it to be honest, i'm guessing they'd probably want ALC, AGP, PMI, FAO, BCN/GRO/REU, TFS, LPA and possibly a few others.

This would likely p*ss off both VY and FR although Jet2 seem to like selling the Jet2Holidays Product.


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