I could contest as to whether the market in South Wales is huge. A web search tells me that the Welsh population is just over 3m, of which 60% (1.8m) live in the South Wales "rust belt" between Newport and Swansea. By contrast the West Midlands has a population a little over 5.5m.

Surely Cardiff is under served in the bucket and spade market, but we shouldn't get carried away.

Other carriers have tried and failed to make Cardiff profitable. Jet2.com isn't a charity, there's got to be profit in it to make the investment there.

I'm not entirely convinced that Jet2 would go to CWL, however I don't think it should be completely dismissed. Who knows in this industry?

CWL is known at being profitable for Airlines during the summer. It's the winter months that are the issue. WW stated they were profitable during the summer, albeit over 6 years ago now.
WW operate daily, sometime double daily PMI, ALC and AGP. IBZ, MAH, MJV, FAO all served and currently still under served from CWL.
Further afield FR don't seem to making too much of their TFS, now twice weekly service.
ACE, FUE, LPA Cyprus and Greece would be good options.
I would say Jet2 may favour BRS over CWL. They had no issues in getting into BHX with all the competition there. BRS has a much bigger and wealthier catchment area. The only issue would be BRS is more or less operating at parking capacity. I can't see there being enough stands for based aircraft, given that there's now talk of a 14th based Easyjet aircraft.

CWL has taken a dive within the past 5-8 years but things are picking up since the government takeover. Maybe Jet2 could benefit in some of that support? I've no doubt Airlines have lost confidence in CWL, especially with uncertainty in the Welsh economy. On a plus note Vueling are continuing to grow slowly.

CWL has had bad luck with the carriers it's had.
WW had bigger problems than just at CWL.
BE were more domestic, but have now returned.
The other failed carriers were mainly Long Haul. TOM favoured BRS with FCA merger,
Zoom went bust, Globespan went bust, XL Airways went bust - but all were doing fine at CWL. Zoom were slowly growing, globespan went busy before the flights started and XL Airways had operated 747's and then onto A330's to SFB.
Then CWL felt the effects of others consolidating. FCA and TOM, MYT and TCX, Goldtrail, Holidays4u going bust.

So although I don't think CWL will be a massive earner for any Airline I don't think the bucket and spade market is a doomed failure. It would provide a footfall to provide competition to FR and EZY in BRS, as well as TOM and TCX in both Airports. It could be an easy ticket into the Southwest

Does anybody know the delivery schedule for the B738? The company has promised that the four aircraft based at BHX will all be brand new.
http://www.jet2.com/News/Jet2_com_an...ngham_Airport/

First one is due in September according to Jethro :)

The base may start with 4x Brand new 738s but like everywhere else they will swap over in time with other 738s

http://http://www.jet2.com/News/Lifetime_Ban_and_12000_Bill_for_Divert_Passenger/?utm_campaign=AvGeek+Weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_source=AvGe ek_Weekly_94


£12,000 bill for disruptive pax

Good on Jet2.

Hopefully they get all the money that man now owes them, but I'm sure there will be a lawyer waiting to ensure he doesn't pay a penny.

Good on them. Well done.

There doesn’t appear to be any evidence of any new B738NG deliveries for J2 in September. Planespotters.net is a good source for this information but probably not the only one. Looking at the “Data Centre” in their web site and specifically at the “Production Lists” for “Boeing 737 Next-Generation” pages 118; 119; 120 and 121, there is no mention of any NG aircraft being scheduled for JET2.

Bearing in mind that Boeing produce about 40 new Boeing 737NGs every month and counting from the end of deliveries in June 2016 on page 118, JET2’s first scheduled deliveries should appear on page 120 if they are to be delivered in September 2016.

However there is an oddity on pages 120 and 121 in that Ryanair have 22 aircraft scheduled for delivery in September 2016. Looking at past deliveries to Ryanair for previous autumns, their deliveries of new NGs are not unusual for September and October but normally for about 4 aircraft. It wouldn’t make any sense for Ryanair to take delivery of so many new aircraft (22) all at once and at the start of the low season.

Perhaps this list of production/delivery of NGs for Ryanair has been delayed on request from RYR and agreed by Boeing, which would benefit the delivery of the new aircraft to JET2 and probably other airlines in September, October and beyond.

Planespotters.net are quite quick on updates, so perhaps as soon as Boeing advise the changes, if there are any, their page 120 of the Production Lists of the Boeing 737 NG type will be amended.

Planespotters is usually NOT up to date, in general it's quite a poor source.


First delivery is still set for September: Boeing 737-8MG 63144/6065

Yes it's there now on page 119. Thank you.

So far, 01 - Sep, 02 - Oct and 02 - Nov 2016

jethro's UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings

With the deliveries due to start in the not too distant future, and the serials for the first five released, what do we think LS will decide to start reging them under? Do we think they'll continue under the JZH* sequence, or start another?

I think you're reading the site wrong. It doesn't show 22 Ryanair aircraft due for delivery in September 2016. It just shows the next 22 Ryanair aircraft, there's no dates or line numbers specified so you've put two and two together to make five.

Each to their own opinion but I've always quite liked the site, far better than Airfleets etc.

Both are rubbish, ATDB is the best in my opinion, except for CH-Aviation but that one became hideously expensive on January 1st, unfortunately.

Jet2 becomes first European airline to ban early morning alcohol sales in crackdown on anti-social behaviour

Its a bold move, but certainly a step in the right direction - paving the way for others to follow suit. The rule comes into force as of Monday, prohibiting sale of alcohol on flights before 8am

They are really taking a stand banning drink for barley an hour into the majority of their flights. Instead of been drunk at the start of the flight they will now be drunk at the end of flight.

If they were serious they would ban any alcohol been sold before 10.00 or even 12.00 but that would damage sales revenue. This way no real impact.

They may be the first budget airline to do it but they are also the carrier with a bigger problem than other budget airlines, not something to be shouting about.

Gate staff should prevent drunk pax boarding in the first place and let the rest of us enjoy a drink or two even if it is first thing in the morning

How exactly??

If anything some may take the view that they cant have another drink for x time they should be fine etc.

Airlines are always telling us that our safety is their first priority, so aircraft and airports should really be alcohol free zones - though you'd need a stiff drink before clicking confirm when booking your flight... :eek:

They do, certainly they do their best. Jet2's gate staff are empowered to make those decisions and we don't even see it on the aeroplane, rather than in years gone by where the gate staff would ask the crew, they don't any more, they just offload them.

I would disagree that Jet2 has more, just more publicity because Jet2 is making a stance and is fighting back against this small minority's. Perhaps if other airlines took the same firm no nonsense approach you'd see it is industry wide, irrespective of the carrier, be it low cost, tour operator or 'high end' national flag carriers.

I have long thought that the solution to alcohol on planes is for a limit, similar to the drink drive limit be introduced industry wide. Ideally this would probably need to be done at a government level, to enshrine it in law, the justification being for safety. All you then do is have random breath tests at the gate for anybody who they suspect is drunk, and if they are over the limit, they get offloaded. Alcohol sales on board should be limited to 1 drink per passenger on short haul/medium haul flights, with perhaps a higher limit on long haul provided a reasonable period of time has passed.

Well done; you've just killed Business and First Class, ceding the future of air travel to the likes of Ryanair and all the other lo-cos; "Sorry Sir, as well as the ridiculous premium class APD tax you've paid, you're only getting one baby bottle of champagne tonight.."

I'm fed up of people advocating more nanny stating and controlling because of a tiny, tiny minority who can't act in a responsible manner.

Like anything else it's always the majority that suffer for the minority. Hard justice is what's required here with longer jail terms, banning for life, stiff fines and costs to the carrier if a divert happens. Let's not get on the side of the offenders and find excuses for these characters.

Perhaps the solution is to close the airport bars before 9am..I really cannot imagine how anyone gets enjoyment at drinking alcohol at 5am, unless they have a habit to feed!!..This problem effects society these days and airlines are caught up in it, low costs seemingly more than scheduled, recently an Easyjet Captain got punched by one such moron, Ryanair have had a couple of `land aways`in the last few months and so it goes on.

Whilst I agree Jet2 are taking an admirable stance and one that will win them deservedly more business from the `silent majority`, the first line of defence has to be the gate staff. In reality the gate is more often than not staffed by agents, who are often female and or young people, not paid a huge amount, and the temptation to leave the obvious problem to someone else must be immense and I do have sympathy with them at a personal level.

The responsibility lies with the airlines, yes it will cost more money to staff up to the extent required..Is that ever going to happen??..yes and pigs might fly. Only legislation will make any step change but that would be painful and more expensive for everyone.
Back to pigs might fly...

My experience with early flights is that most are just asleep,ditto the very late flights

The biggest problem I had was a flight out of Manchester that was delayed by 3+ hours and many of the pax were high on booze already.

Dealing with stag & hen parties can be a challenge, the hens are worse than than the stags at least in the air, you need experienced cabin crew who know how to handle these very different groups.

Jet2 gate staff do scrutinize the customers and will refuse travel or consult with cabin crew and flight deck.

Some customers just need a quiet word to make them calm down, others are just not prepared to behave or listen........

Anyone know when jet 2 are moving into their new facility at MAN? I see they have a recruitment fair coming up shortly at MAN

brigantee
what new facility??? info please
thanks in advance
sm1

There was a rumour, a while ago, that Jet2 was looking to take over the Monarch hangar. I think there is confusion as currently I can only see Jet2 advertising for a line maintenance B1 engineer.

Maybe 1 and 1 has made 3 in somebody's books - or they may be right? Who knows.

Jet2.com Engineering Roadshow - Manchester in Manchester - 3606BR

Jet 2 taking over the monarch hangar is certainy happening

Have just been taking a look at Jet 2's early plans for Summer 2017 (based on August when compared to August this year)


I know that it still early and there is still time for a number of changes, but based on what is currently available as per the online timetable there are planned to be 815 x weekly departures (up 96 x weekly when compared to August this year)


There will be 234 Airport pairs, compared to 203 this year. There are 37 new routes (with 15 of these coming from the new Birmingham Base) with 6 dropped routes for a total of 7 x weekly flights (the dropped routes appear to be Belfast to Murcia and Pisa, East Midlands to Bodrum, Edinburgh to Dalaman, Glasgow to Bodrum and Newcastle to Bodrum.


Overall weekly departures are ......


Manchester - 203 (-14)
Leeds - 159 (+18)
East Midlands - 102 (+16)
Newcastle - 96 (+2)
Glasgow - 81 (+2)
Edinburgh - 76 (+12)
Birmingham - 57 (NEW)
Belfast - 41 (+3)


All Airports see an increase apart from Manchester, although I assume the total number of seats through Manchester should be up as A330 operations are scheduled to commence to help compensate for the loss of 14 x weekly flights, with the additional number of services appearing to suggest extra based units at East Midlands, Edinburgh and Leeds Bradford

What's with the STN rumours for Summer 2017? Any info or speculation on this subject?

What price a Palma based aircraft next Summer with the 8am local departure to Manchester 6 days a week.

Newcastle 5x 738s for S17 ?

Is that in addition to the -300s?? How many in total do they have at Newcastle?

I think NCL is the same as EMA for Summer 2017... 4x 738 and 3x 733. Total of 7 based aircraft.

Regards new base, I hear advance talks are said to be now taking place so maybe expect announcement soon..

Aberdeen or Cardiff perhaps?