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Artie Fufkin 18th Feb 2015 15:46

Donít worry EK77WNCL, if current rumours are true, you may not have to wait until next year for further Jet2/A330 news. Allegedly, some news may be forthcoming really quite soon!

garry8g 18th Feb 2015 16:08

What's this news? A couple of A330's to join the fleet for winter 2015, with the start of some long haul??

Artie Fufkin 18th Feb 2015 16:29

Probably best not to go in to specifics.

Unless senior management are lying (I make no comment) then some pretty big news might be coming very soon.

pug 18th Feb 2015 17:15

It's certainly going to be soon Artie, many awaiting green light to get certain things in place.

Could it possibly coincide with the fact that some very senior management and execs have been in the commercial HQ today?

A lot of hard work has been put into this project, and this has been happening during a reshuffle at director level (perhaps to allow more time on a projects that a certain person is very good at?)..

Hopefully we will all be enlightened very soon. Exciting times for Jet2.com and Jet2 holidays..

INeedTheFull90 18th Feb 2015 18:52

What you mean there's going to be an A330 or 767 MAN base operating SFB flights in conjunction with Jet2 holidays with said aircraft also operating the occasional short flight on trunk routes between TATLs? Wish they would just get on an announce it otherwise it'll be too late summer.

SCANDIC 18th Feb 2015 19:22

Could be the two monarch 330's

HH6702 18th Feb 2015 20:54

Hope the news of A330 is good news for NCL??

EK77WNCL 18th Feb 2015 22:04

So.... The CAA cancelled the A330 from Air Asia, LS had an inkling it might not get regulatory approval so have been shopping around and are now getting the ex Monarch A330's? Short haul this summer with Florida starting in the winter.

Sounds about right to me... I'll wait for the announcement but fingers crossed.

TSR2 19th Feb 2015 00:07


So.... The CAA cancelled the A330 from Air Asia, LS had an inkling it might not get regulatory approval so have been shopping around and are now getting the ex Monarch A330's? Short haul this summer with Florida starting in the winter.
And your source of information is ???

EK77WNCL 19th Feb 2015 02:44

The few posts above suggesting the same thing

Sean Dillon 19th Feb 2015 07:09

Errrrr...not really!!!!! Probably bought a few seats on a TOM/TCX SFB, hardly reinventing the wheel...

pug 19th Feb 2015 12:42

Sean Dillon, that would require a change in the way Jet2 operate, so I doubt that..

As for the rest, just speculation. I'm sure it will be revealed one way or another soon if it's going to happen this year..

Sean Dillon 19th Feb 2015 15:52


that would require a change in the way Jet2 operate...
Ooooo...change, and in how we operate, radical stuff from the Piled Up Portacabins...now you're talking!

pug 19th Feb 2015 16:42

Never been invited to the mint?

EK77WNCL 19th Feb 2015 16:54

Do you.... Not, like Jet2 Sean?

I really do hope they get the MON A330's... Then they might expand and finally get some of the EK frames.

I see logic in it - Don't bother reconfiguring the aircraft, keep 374 seats in the MON frames and 278 in EK's and use the MON ones for high density routes from MAN and the EK ones for high density and long haul from the rest of their bases.

LS may want to reconfigure the MON aircraft with their own seats because there's no PTV's, apart from the premium section up front, unless they do away with it and increase to 380+ seats. If they got EK ones they could keep the same interiors or possibly be reupholstered - exactly what Virgin Australia did. After all why get rid of the IFE when it's already there and will definitely be a draw for passengers. NCL/EMA/LBA-TFS with IFE? Yes please!

Another plus I can see is that 278 seats isn't much more difficult than filling a 757 from airports like NCL, LBA, EMA, GLA and definitely MAN, but still offers more capacity than a 738 on short haul.

LiamNCL 19th Feb 2015 19:55

Could only see a A330 from MAN tbh to places like PMI / DLM / TFS / IBZ

The only place a A330 would be anywhere near the rest of the bases is for Xmas flights to EWR

Artie Fufkin 19th Feb 2015 20:00

EK, neither you nor Sean Dillon are even remotely close. If pug is right and the decision was taken yesterday, then itíll probably take a few days to organise formalities, so Iím guessing we could hear something early next week. That timing fits with what I was told.

You'll like it :)

BasilFawlty 19th Feb 2015 20:03

Are you all drunk? One of the main reasons the A330's aren't profitable at Monarch is because they're using them for shorthaul routes for most of the time.

Further, getting A330's wouldn't make any sense at all as LS doesn't operate any other Airbus equipment. Some relatively young B76W's would make much more sense!

purplehelmet 19th Feb 2015 20:34

My guess would be the titan B767 on a summer long iease.

dreamair 19th Feb 2015 21:42

Why can't you make a profit flying A330's on short hall? Im actually surprised we don't see more widebodies on the trunk bucket and spade routes in Europe. I quite often see airlines like TOM and TCX having a couple of 737/757/A320 flights a day to the same destination from places like MAN, BHX, LGW, during the summer. Its got to be better financially to put all those passengers on a A330/767 than flying 2 seperate shorthall planes hasn't it? I can understand if they are struggling to fill that much capacity, but the widebodies that do fly shorthall routes in Europe always seem to have good load factors. In fact the reason there is so much debate about what LS are going to get to replace the D7 A330 with is because they have already sold alot of that capacity. which is why they can't just be downgraded to a single 757.

OntimeexceptACARS 19th Feb 2015 22:05

Question re G-CELX
 
I know this sounds a bit spottery, but bear with me. I'm told G-CELX was (is) a passenger aircraft which has had a cargo door fitted in the last few years.

If its still flying passengers its obviously not a freighter, but wasn't built as QC aircraft either. Could it have been 'converted' (sorry) to QC standard?

I have a number of equally meaningless questions about Margot Robbie, but they will keep for now......

BasilFawlty 19th Feb 2015 22:09

None of the QC's were built as QC's, they were all converted later in their life.

Jet2_738 19th Feb 2015 22:32

Can only agree with BasilFawlty :D, that some younger 767W's would fit perfectly into the Jet2 fleet. LCC's tend to stick to commonality - i.e. Ryanair stay Boeing, Easyjet stay Airbus. It would only incur more costs to have a mixed fleet - new pilot training, new engineers, new spare parts, cabin crew re-training...

The 757 is often favoured for its range of missions - short to long haul ops, and a 767WL could certainly do 4x Hops to ALC/PMI etc. one day, and fly to EWR the next.

Also, as far as I am aware, doesn't the 757 and the 767 have a common type rating??? :)

garry8g 19th Feb 2015 23:34

Artie - Your definitely keeping the suspense going here.
Sounds like it is going to be something big, and bold hopefully.

Let us know when you can!

pug 19th Feb 2015 23:36

You'll find out when/if it's announced...

Artie Fufkin 20th Feb 2015 00:24

Garry, I am obviously constrained by my employers social media policy.

What I have heard is either true and if so, you will hear about it in the coming days, or the rumour is false, or the company's board has actively decided against the plan.

Fingers crossed for the former.

EK77WNCL 20th Feb 2015 01:42

Well whatever's going to happen's going to happen. Shame... I liked my plan :(

A330's wouldn't be too much of a stretch for LS, considering there is no commonality 733-738-752 that would make the 752-763 the only "common" aircraft combination in the LS fleet. Either way, neither A330 or 767 will have maintenance commonality to the rest of the fleet etc. At least the A330's would have RR engine commonality if that makes anything easier.

Of course! As I've been suggesting for years, there are still BA's 767's... Whatever it is though, I hope it gets the grey livery and comes to Newcastle.

Mr Mac 20th Feb 2015 07:26

Ek
You obviously have not been on one of BA,s tired jets recently - neither have I, but my erstwhile colleagues who continue to do so report a wide range of problems. Also EK 330 have been run ragged with many cycles. There are alternative A/C from other fleets around which would make better economic sense. You have to bare in mind sometimes that some carriers flog their kit to death before passing it on. Ask any of the Virgin crews who remember the 747 they got from CX which were in very poor condition, compared with those from ANZ which they purchased around the same time.


Regards
Mr Mac

DjerbaDevil 20th Feb 2015 10:32

Somewhere in PPRuNe someone said sometime back, that Boeing have a number of Dreamliners for sale with a hefty discount, that were the first off the production line and which ANA refused to take because they were not up to standard. In total there are five of these B787s and three have RR engines. Perhaps JET2 have pulled out all the stops and are taking two or three of these early production Dreamliners. Bearing in mind they are being offered at a hefty discount and they have RR engines, they would appear to meet most of JET2ís requirements........................IF....... BIG....... IF, they intend to have a go at long haul, as they have been proposing to do so since 2010. On the other hand the UK long haul market would appear to be ripe, at this moment in time, for another LH operator to step in.

TSR2 20th Feb 2015 12:11


Boeing have a number of Dreamliners for sale with a hefty discount, that were the first off the production line
This type of sale is often referred to as a 'Scrap Heap Challenge' due to the ammount of work necessary to bring development aircraft up to production standard.

GEB74 20th Feb 2015 13:01

This is brilliant!!
A couple of LS staffers drop a few scraps onto the thread and suddenly, we've got:
BA763's
EK332's
Titan763
Any old winglet equipped 763's
Monarch A332's
Terrible Teens 788's
Privilege Style 752


Jeez, how long before someone mentions all the spare A345's lying around? :hmm:
Maybe a couple of L-1011's to be reactivated?? :E
Buying all of Condor's 753's??? :yuk:
Calm down!!


Oh, and EK77WNCL, I know you've had an on-going obsession with getting used Emirates A330's to fly in the UK for the likes of Jet2 for some time now.
Have you actually had the misfortune to fly on any of them? They're knackered, and not just the diabolical interior. The dispatch reliability and cancellation rate on that sub-fleet is going upwards. There must be better used options out there......

BasilFawlty 20th Feb 2015 23:21

Why on earth would they want ex. BA 767's? Nobody wants RR powered 767's, they aren't even certified for winglets!

pallan 20th Feb 2015 23:50

Added to the fact that I'm pretty sure BA 767's cannot cross the Atlantic from later this year/next year (?) without a significant and expensive software upgrade.

If BA aren't prepared to fund this then I don't see why Jet2 would

TSR2 21st Feb 2015 00:13


If 757's could reach Florida LS would be set
I flew an Air Europe 757 to Orlando back in the 80's. One stop outbound (Bangor) and non-stop inbound. Not sure if the LS 757's have the same range as the Air Europe ones.

EI-BUD 21st Feb 2015 06:57

I think those contributing to ths thread should be mindful of what they say with regard to the condition of the LS fleet. Using language like dilapidated and clapped out etc. Could get you into hot water. Jet2 have an impeccable safety record. Their aircraft are certified as air worthy too.

There are plenty of airlines out there with aircraft of the same age and older.

On a more general note it would seem like a logical step in terms of LS's differentiated strategy that they add medium and long haul holiday destinations for Jet2 Holidays. Hence, I expect that an announcement is about procuring an aircraft type for that. They are not many options.

Considering a wider perspective are their other carriers that they could collaborate with or could gain synergies by working closely with? Just a thought.

EK77WNCL 21st Feb 2015 16:39

I love the fact jet2 operates old aircraft but, for example, ex Ansett 733's, the first generation Chinese 752's and to an extent first generation 738's are aircraft that other airlines probably wouldn't have looked into on the second hand.

In the past I've defended Jet2 and their aircraft when their age, etc. Has been criticised, and I did say that LS keep all their aircraft in tip top condition and you'd never guess the age.

kdhurst380 21st Feb 2015 21:33

I have to say, people slam Jet2's aircraft, but I can honestly say they are some of the most well looked after, comfortable short haul aircraft out there. I did a 3:30 flight to Dalaman in G-LSAA last year, it's 25 years old, but the cabin is in impeccable condition.

I've been on BA Airbuses half that age that have actually looked dilapidated inside. Dirty seat covers, yellowed lighting, dirty toilets etc. If the airline are looking after the aircraft they have, then why would anyone criticise?

dreamair 22nd Feb 2015 01:45

Totally agree about the cabins on Jet2. They are immaculate. I bet 99% of passengers who fly with them have got no idea how old some of those planes are. If you knew nothing about planes and got on a Jet2 aircraft you'd think it was pretty new. I see no reason why Jet2 should change their aircraft buying policy at all. It works well for them.

LiamNCL 22nd Feb 2015 07:27

Been 2 738s based at NCL for a while , Most days ones sat on a remote stand

Jet2_738 22nd Feb 2015 11:03

In relation to the 738s based at NCL, I believe that the two currently are G-GDFC, and G-GDFZ.

So that leaves 5 cuurently at NCL:
G-CELX - 737-377(QC)
G-GDFE - 737-3Q8(QC)
G-GDFH - 737-3Y5(WL) - WL's Recently Fitted
G-GDFC - 737-8K2(WL)
G-GDFZ - 737-86Q(WL)

- Having been on several Jet2 aircraft myself, (all 3 types in fact [737-300QC, 737-800, and 757-200]) I definitely agree that the cabin interior is immaculate, and someone who doesn't know anything about aircraft would think that it was bought yesterday. Jet2 and Jet2holidays are doing really well in this somewhat cut-throat market - so what if they have a different buying policy to everyone else! :ok:


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