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DjerbaDevil 20th May 2015 09:57

The A321neoLR (Long Range) appears to be able to carry a similar number of passengers and fly a similar maximum range as the B757-200 but with about 25% less fuel consumption. Nevertheless it's doubtful that the useful and versatile lifespan of the A321neoLR will be comparable to the B752.

fa2fi 20th May 2015 10:01

Well the 321 can do 95% of missions with 25% less fuel burn. Can't imagine there's much demand for a 757 load to GIB anyway.

A350Saltire 20th May 2015 10:46

The A321 Neo LR will be a fantastic 757 replacement that's for sure. Doesn't it also have a wider cabin (a big plus in my eyes).

paully 20th May 2015 11:16

fa2fi

You obviously don`t know but Monarch operated, for many years, the 757 on their routes to GIB..They only changed when the A320 came into service and the 757`s went onto charter..Used them year round in fact and often full loads :ok:

fa2fi 20th May 2015 11:19

Wait. Is this the same Gibraltar that Jet2 don't even fly to???

Your GIB example is completely pointless. LS have 757s, they don't fly them to GIB on a regular scheduled basis.

Station_Calling 20th May 2015 11:31

A321 Vs B757
 

The A321neoLR (Long Range) appears to be able to carry a similar number of passengers and fly a similar maximum range as the B757-200
Yep. But with a 15 ton max take off difference the unfortunate pax won't also be able to take their cases with them...

Agree on the fuel burn though.

Back to J2...

paully 20th May 2015 12:45

fa2fi...................If its pointless then its like most of your spotter posts.....it was in reply to a general comparison between two aircraft types.Nothing more.:ugh:

fa2fi 20th May 2015 12:50

Not a spotter mate, I just fly the things.

LiamNCL 20th May 2015 16:16


Originally Posted by Station_Calling (Post 8983198)
Not even close!

Please tell me where these old 757s that fly to the destinations they do for Jet2 are better than a brand new A321 ?

The 757 is pointless for Airlines like Jet2 now , Tenerife / Cyprus / Greece and Spain are all served easily by a A321

BasilFawlty 20th May 2015 16:19

In the financial books, especially in the winter season.

Honiley 20th May 2015 17:29

Basil is spot on! If JP have bought 15 new aircraft with associated leases, fingers crossed they have changed their seasonal nature...

Big employer for it to end in tears....:{

BasilFawlty 20th May 2015 17:43

Buying new aircraft will clash with every form of business they've done over the past 13 years, it wouldn't make sense in any way, I will eat my hat if these rumours are true.

DjerbaDevil 20th May 2015 18:03

Data would indicate that of the 57 airframes in the fleet only 11 are leased. Inevitably these leases would be cheaper than usual as they were for second hand aircraft. The new order of aircraft may well be bought outright by JET2, as previously someone mentioned that a deal with Bank of America to finance the purchase had been negotiated. This would make sense as interest rates are low and it would be an important saving on a regular leasing arrangement. This doesn’t solve the low winter usage of aircraft but it does go some way to mitigate the issue.

Station_Calling 20th May 2015 18:56


The 757 is pointless for Airlines like Jet2 now
Nope. The winter trans-atlantics (I admit only 19) couldn't be done without them. Go back a few years, the RAK charters couldn't have been done. Go forward a few years and you couldn't get to Cape Verde or many other destinations....

Lord Spandex Masher 20th May 2015 19:00

The 800s can do the transatlantic stuff and a few of them are already ETOPS equipped.

LiamNCL 20th May 2015 19:19


Originally Posted by Station_Calling (Post 8984012)
Nope. The winter trans-atlantics (I admit only 19) couldn't be done without them. Go back a few years, the RAK charters couldn't have been done. Go forward a few years and you couldn't get to Cape Verde or many other destinations....

But the winter trans atlantic stuff really will never have a future unless Jet2 have a long haul fleet , The newest 757 globally is now over the 10 year mark , All i am saying is the A321 is good replacement for Jet2s old 757s / TCX fly their A321s all the way to Banjul / Sharm and can hit 6 hours in a headwind without a problem

757 = Fantastic aircraft thats served them well but they will have to let it go sooner or later

Jet2_738 20th May 2015 19:33

Jet2 Publicly Announce New Routes from Edinburgh for S16
 
Biggest EVER Expansion for Jet2.com and Jet2holidays | Jet2.com

http://www.jet2.com/uploadedImages/S...e-0f2d0448b930

Today, 1 week after the first news, Jet2 have publicly announced their Biggest EVER expansion programme. The report outlines that only 1 737-800 will be based up there (bringing the total number of aircraft based to 5) - and a busy 738 it will be! The report also outlines that 500,000 seats are on sale for S16, bringing an additional 150,000 passengers through EDI's doors - an increase of 55%. This brings the total available routes Jet2 offer from Edinburgh to 26. It says that over 150 new jobs will be created at the Scottish hub, and that this is the biggest expansion Edinburgh Airport has ever seen since it became a private company.

A Quote taken from EDI's CEO:

"Excitingly we’ll see the introduction of the first service between Edinburgh and Vienna which is a particularly important destination for us to serve. Not only will it offer leisure travellers great choice for city breaks, it opens up further trade and business links between Scotland and this major European hub."

Facelookbovvered 20th May 2015 19:56

New EDI routes
 
Looks very much like Jet2Holidays driving the route selection, nothing wrong with that, but further cements the seasonal nature of Jet2 business going forward which flies in the face of a new leased fleet order.

Jet2 are not in any sense of the word a transatlantic operator, a few dozen mainly Xmas New York flights can not add much to the bottom line, the 757 is a truly excellent aircraft and nothing on the market including the A321 comes close, having said that 90% + of what you might want to do can be done be with the 321/738 and its already been pointed out that the 757 will be phased out at some stage.

The spot light will be on Jet2's reliability this summer, they work crews and aircraft very hard in Summer

gorter 20th May 2015 20:02


The 800s can do the transatlantic stuff
I nearly spat out my dinner reading that. Just because you've got a couple of HF radios doesn't mean you can cross the Atlantic. At least not without stopping in KEF and one of the Eastern Canada airports. Thanks for the evening laugh. :8:8:ugh:

Jet2_738 20th May 2015 20:26


The spot light will be on Jet2's reliability this summer, they work crews and aircraft very hard in Summer
You're spot on! Aircraft and crew are worked very hard in the summer, and not so in the winter. The new summer routes serve to highlight Jet2's seasonal nature - it works for them, they're quite like the Low Cost Charter, the foundations of a LCC, with the structure of a leisure airline. This makes the Airbus order very unlikely for Jet2 - imagine the costs of keeping 15 brand new leased aircraft parked up over the winter period... It's illogical to say the least.

The 757 is unique, as is Jet2's winter breaks to New York. The airline was the first, and still the only Low Cost airline to travel Transatlantic from the North. As much as I understand the 757's will go sooner or later, there's still some life in them yet. If Jet2 were to buy some young 757's, (10-15 year old) they'd get another 15 or so years out of the beautiful bird, until a viable replacement, in the form of a 757MAX (though highly unlikely), were to be manufactured.

Realistically, the most logical replacement (though there will never be a true one) would be the 767;
  • It is still in production
  • It shares a common TR with the 757
  • It can fly a varied range of missons, from seasonal New York, to 'packed to the rafters' bucket and spade flights
  • Is common with the rest of the fleet

As the 757 and 767 were manufactured in unison, it means that transition between the two aircraft would be seamless. It means little retraining for crews and engineers, as opposed to lots of expensive retraining on a new type. As mentioned, the 767 can do the vast majority of what the 757 can do, and more. It would give for greater capacity on the 'bucket and spades', as well as greater flexibility for Jet2 operations. Maybe a 2-3 aircraft order would be suitable to start with. The aircraft, would be very busy in the summer, but not so in the winter. However, because of their wide range of missions, the 767's could be chartered during the winter for many airlines, and in turn, this would cover the costs of being parked up on the ground. If, in the event no new aircraft order is made, maybe a few second hand 767's bought outright would suit the business model of Jet2 a little better.

Traditionally, LCC's do not operate a mixed fleet, mainly due to it costing more than a common fleet does. It then begs the question: Are Jet2 not negotiating a deal with Airbus, in order to drive a better deal with Boeing?...

...Time will tell... :ok:


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