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Jamie2k9 17th Dec 2010 10:10

Well Ryanair have the perfect excues. We are closing our BHX due to the UK travel tax.

ATNotts 17th Dec 2010 11:22

BHX Grinding Teeth?
Whilst spotters may be (certainly are!) I doubt BHX management is in consternation to quite the same extent! Were the parasite that is Ryanair to leave BHX (as have once before) the likely result would be the arrival of another higher quality (well they could hardly be lower quality) carrier to fill the void.

Ryanair = cheap fees, and cheap passengers who don't spend in airport shops, cafe's bars etc - hence hardly profitable to the airport - though of course very useful in providing headling passenger numbers.

Working smart, or being a busy fool? I know which I would rather be, and often "less = more".

Ian Brooks 17th Dec 2010 11:45

Yes the Ryanair policy is European domination at ANY cost

Ian B

FR- 17th Dec 2010 11:49

ATN what do you actually know ABOUT FR PAX? Have you ever worked in the airline. Pax spending in the airport really does depends on what route the pax is on, yeh the polish routes the spend is sod all. But the spanish ones are busy in boots and soho (best cafe at ema by the way) trying to beat the low low low price of a coffee on fr. Yes we may get some chavy pax but not all the pax are chavs, some of them are very well off with second homes in the sun who fly cheap to have more holidays a year. Its does not matter is the pax is chavy you should treat all pax with the same respect.


GayFriendly 17th Dec 2010 13:45

Well Ryanair have the perfect excues. We are closing our BHX due to the UK travel tax
More like due to lack of interest.......I have no idea why FR opened a base at BHX. After the initial flurry of new routes (some of which were blatantly never going to work) and marketing it has all gone down hill with the only new routes of late being those to destinations already served (and thats only two, FUE and MLA). FR have always been good to EMA and I think BHX's role with FR in the future will solely be with routes that can be sustained from both airports (ie Poland and Spanish sunshine) EMA will get all the new and for want of a better word 'exciting' destinations. EMA based FR a/c 8, BHX 3 says it all really.......

ATNotts 17th Dec 2010 14:42


Touched a nerve there I think! I know that retailers at EMA were bemoaning the poor revenue from LoCo passengers generally, when they first came to the airport and the ever more imaginative ways that airports are having to come up with to replace revenues lost when their airport became overrun with LoCo operations replacing full service operations and ITs I think speaks volumes.

I agree however that the more LoCo operations focus on the traditional bucket and spade destinations, the less accute the revenue problem for airports and concessionaires will become.

By the way, with regard to the cost of coffee, exactly how much coffee do you get a a cup purchased on Ryanair, compared with the airport cafes - and how does it stand up in terms of pence / cents per centilitre in terms of value?

Personally, I avoid FR like the plague - they wrote the manual on how to rip off the poor old passenger and the airport operators, however M'OL and his henchmen and women try to protest otherwise, and they will ultimately kill off the small regional airports the muscled in on.

FR- 17th Dec 2010 16:32

With regards to the coffee on fr, well to be honest i wouldnt go near it, im an M&S boy myself, but its 3 euro and 4euro with a twix/mars bar. A basic sandwich starts at only 3euro which i think is not bad at all. I am not too sure about the cost of a coffee in the terminal, i always buy the staff deals.

I actually know the manager of SSP so i will have to have a word with her about the effect of the low cost airlines.

My question to you ATNotts is where would EMA be without the low cost airlines?

ematom1 17th Dec 2010 17:00

Flybe new route to Ireland west knock 3 times weekly from April 19

Jamie2k9 17th Dec 2010 17:07

Flybe are to fly to EDI not East-Midlands. Why would they go head to head with FR??

ematom1 17th Dec 2010 17:09

Sorry yes my mistake

OltonPete 17th Dec 2010 21:20

Where is the confirmation of the 8th aircraft?

From the first release until now, I have not seen a
schedule requiring 8 aircraft but I stand to be corrected.

Seven is fairly definite, as anything can be with ryanair
but I most mornings have a requirement for six but most
evenings seven.

With hardly any away based aircraft in any great numbers
other than Faro and Dublin at present is not similar to
summer 2010.

If it is 8 then there are a lot more new routes or extra
frequencies to be announced as most routes have been
released other than Berlin & Girona for obvious reasons.


ematom1 18th Dec 2010 11:51

Aircraft diverts into ema:
LS50508:20NewcastleArrived 10:32FPO0325D10:00PerpignanArrived 10:44
WW56P11:10GenevaDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000TCX51L11:25VaraderoDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000LH95211:50FrankfurtDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000BE84211:50EdinburghDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000TCX411F11:50GlasgowDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000EZS149311:50GenevaDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000BE50212:05GuernseyDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000FR166512:10RigaLanded 12:37
WW14K12:25AmsterdamDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000BMA81612:30HanoverLanded 12:43EZS35C12:35GenevaScheduled 12:35BE8HN12:35HanoverDiverted - Call Info Desk on 0871 919 9000LH339612:40HamburgScheduled 12:40LH4UP12:40MilanScheduled 12:40LH372212:40MilanScheduled 12:40BDBD81612:45HanoverScheduled 12:45BA25213:00NassauScheduled 13:00:eek::eek:

AP1995 18th Dec 2010 12:04

did the BA from nassau divert to EMA? :o?

FR- 18th Dec 2010 12:16

BA118 Its from India, calls centre area

egnxema 18th Dec 2010 14:16

SQ seen on approach to EMA over Burton on Trent area - was it A340 or

FR- 18th Dec 2010 14:20

Dont want to sound too much of a geek or spotter but would be nice if someone posted a pix :8

SouthDerbyshire1969 18th Dec 2010 14:30

SQ seen on approach to EMA over Burton on Trent area - was it A340 or
A340 600 :cool:

Quick edit, now my mate isn't sure :8:D

ematom1 18th Dec 2010 15:12

I've got pics I'll post en up ba 777 virgin a340-600 bmi a321 a320 a319x3 2 easy jet, 2 lufthansa 737, jet 2 757, flybe q400 x2 embraer 190 bmi regional 145, ba 767, omai air md11 I believe and I belive to be a gulf air but wasn't able to see it all as it was Hidden slightly on the ups ramp. Probally the best time for a long time to go spotting at ema :)

egnxema 18th Dec 2010 15:53

Almostprof - you working today??

Did EMA's ramp get full at any stage? were any diverts refused due to the number of widebodies in?

I can only imagine the terminal was/is heaving!!

almost professional 18th Dec 2010 16:09

Sat at home in the warm, but trying to get scanner to work!
I'm hoping someone in the tower took some Photos so can get idea of what aprons looked like-guessing that some double parking going on, good thing it's a weekend and we had plenty of free ramp space!

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