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Tranceaddict 24th Jun 2011 17:34


Tranceaddict - Please expand on your knowledge of this!
Announcement by handling agent to staff today

TUGNBAR 24th Jun 2011 17:40

Well assuming this is true it is sad news for our airport. The sooner its sold the better!

talk english 24th Jun 2011 18:36

ryanair+america=interesting
 

I know it wont happen for a while But if Ryanair or another low cost Airline decide to start Transatlantic services the the big boys will have something to worry about
and they wont win the fight, people will use the lowcost Airlines even in business just like they are using AirAsia.

MOL is already looking at a/c to jump the puddle and he's not chasing 'joe bloggs',business reps will be gagging to grab his tickets.Watch this space.

PS with airasia leaving stn just what is servisair going to do to survive?

jabird 24th Jun 2011 19:00

he's not chasing 'joe bloggs'
No, he's chasing Joe Blow Jobs. But he's been talking hot air on this for ages - it makes much more sense for FR to keep heading east than it does for them to jump the puddle. If they do, maybe a few niche routes using the existing fleet - think DUB-BOS is doable in a 738, sure someone technical could elaborate if they haven't already done so elsewhere on numerous occassions!

egnxema 24th Jun 2011 19:21

DAZ211

Check your map mate - last time I looked LHR was directly west of London, not south of it.

Leisure traffic - the traffic you interviewed on your last flight - is not the traffic that keeps transatlantic airlines in business.

Plus, where people live is not the major factor for airport choice, a bigger influence is where businesses are located.

Airport and business location for decades have gone hand in hand - hence why the west of London and the M4 area around Maidenhead, Reading etc where the UK offices of numerous multinational corporations are located.

Just as you express frustration at driving to Heathrow - likewise inbound business passengers would be frustrated at arriving in to STN and then driving past LHR to get to their company's UK office.

Foreign airlines will ALWAYS want LHR first, if that is not possible they settle with LGW.

The only way for STN to see big expansion other than from FR or EZY is if the (virtually) impossible happens.

1 - BA move in (like they did at LCY)

or

2 - an entire alliance ups sticks and moves to STN - say all the Star Alliance carriers move together.

If either of the above ever happens I will eat my own hair.

daz211 28th Jun 2011 07:37

For those people saying AirAsia are moving to Gatwick, here is what I got back from AirAsia ... so looks like the move is NOT true.

AirAsia Hi Darren, we have no knowledge of a September move to Gatwick. If we did choose to change airports at any of its destinations worldwide, we will advise our Guests and general public via normal channels with suitable notice.
We are more than happy with our Stansted base and over the coming months/years
we will be working hard to expand our destinations from Stansted.

So NO move to GATWICK :ok:.

talk english 28th Jun 2011 09:18

so explain why the handling agent at stn has been told differently by air asia?

daz211 28th Jun 2011 09:35

so explain why the handling agent at stn has been told differently by air asia?

Explain ? That was an E-mail from AirAsia I dont think they would say one thing and do another, But then again who knows ...

talk english 28th Jun 2011 11:33

have you never heard of the slang word 'flannel'? I guess time will tell

Skipness One Echo 28th Jun 2011 12:38


Explain ? That was an E-mail from AirAsia I dont think they would say one thing and do another, But then again who knows ...
Daz not every department in the company is in the loop on every strategic move decided further up the chain. I suspect your email reply was made in good faith but it appears likely that this is becasue they haven't been briefed as to the move yet.

It is *very* common for the left hand and the right hand not to know what each other are doing. Aer Arann did the same denying they were pulling out of PIK until they moved to GLA.

daz211 28th Jun 2011 13:06

It would be very short notice, if true and as yet nothing on their website :ugh:.

This was talked about back in Feb on the Stansted thread and unless anything has changed this was the outcome.

When asked if the airline would be sending the new 332s to Gatwick...

Quote:
azranosmanrani Azran Osman-Rani
wish we could, but we're barred from LGW by govt regulations

LTNman 28th Jun 2011 16:02

Don't know how many years Stansted has been officially London's third airport but the truth is that without cross subsidies the airport is a failure. Strip out the Irish mob and what is left. Maybe a couple of million passengers a year once Easyjet has transferred some of its aircraft to the seaside and Air Berlin has moved south.

STN Ramp Rat 28th Jun 2011 18:16

Air Asia
 
Itís no secret that Air Asia will move if the UK-Malaysia bilateral air service agreement allows them. I know that the bilateral has been looked at recently and I believe Gatwick Airport was in attendance. I donít know what the outcome is and I have failed to find anything on line. Whoever knows the outcome of the negotiation knows where Air Asia will be flying to!

daz211 28th Jun 2011 19:24

Just spoke to a mate who is high up in BAA ops and he has'nt heard anything about the move but will look into it for me.

Tranceaddict 28th Jun 2011 20:02


Just spoke to a mate who is high up in BAA ops and he hasn't heard anything
That also means nothing, many of them are still unaware of EZY's move to SEN and the 3 aircraft that will be lost :eek:

I can't explain why the airline are not saying anything, all I know is that a memo was issued to the handling agents staff on Friday last week stateing what I have already said, Air Asia will be leaving STN at the end of Sep and re-locating to LGW.

Watch this space

racedo 28th Jun 2011 21:04


I can't explain why the airline are not saying anything, all I know is that a memo was issued to the handling agents staff on Friday last week stateing what I have already said, Air Asia will be leaving STN at the end of Sep and re-locating to LGW.
Often the way to find out a real story is to find out those who don't have an agenda in withholding the info or who have to release it because of legal reasons i.e. redundancy or contract disclosure.

All the facts may not be known but enough of the story is to enable the dots be joined.

WHBM 28th Jun 2011 21:10


Originally Posted by LTNman
Don't know how many years Stansted has been officially London's third airport

Officially, I understand, since 1969 when the small new terminal was built on the west side. It had virtually no passenger use for some years apart from Sunday charters to Scandinavia and odd Channel Airways jet charters for a few years. Air UK started a few domestic routes in the 1980s, before the current "new" terminal building opened in 1991.

I believe the 1969 terminal is this building

Google Maps

TUGNBAR 28th Jun 2011 21:31

LTNman if I had a pound for everytime you mention

cross subsidies
, move on and get over it........... stick to your own airport thread...:oh:

LTNman 28th Jun 2011 21:33


I believe the 1969 terminal is this building
yep spot on.

LTNman 28th Jun 2011 21:38


LTNman if I had a pound for everytime you mention cross subsidies move on and get over it........... stick to your own airport thread.
Truth hurts does it :oh::oh::oh:You will have to tell me how many times I mentioned cross subsidies then in the last 6 months:confused:.


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