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pamann 28th May 2016 21:34

There are some affluent areas in Essex and Herts, along with a fair few BA card holders.

Not everyone wants to travel with Ryanair or Easy on their jollies.

Just five years ago who would have thought you could cross the pond to Mexico, Florida or Las Vegas from Stansted? Times are changing and it's good to see some diversity at long last.

It will be interesting to see what happens next.

davidjohnson6 28th May 2016 21:57

For all the improvements at Stansted it is worth remembering that these BA summer flights are primarily about using BA aircraft that would normally be stuck on the ground at London City airport for 24 hours due to the weekend curfew. Aircraft on the ground means they are paying airport fees but not earning any revenue whatsoever.

Anything else beyond making revenue out of normally curfewed aircraft is purely a bonus to BA.

Note to pedants - yes I know strictly it's BACF but they are 100 % owned (give or take) by BA so as far as IAG shareholders are concerned it is all BA.

pamann 28th May 2016 22:31

Every airline out there is out to make money, it's a given that aircraft on the ground don't make any money. That's why you send them where the money can be made :ok:

Hardly rocket science.

Itchin McCrevis 29th May 2016 12:33

I believe DJ6's point is that some on here are reading too much into these flights - taking them to be a Strategic play by BA with regard to Stansted when they are nothing more than a purely Tactical play to improve aircraft utilisation. Incidentaly they are looking to expand this tactical play to more airports for Summer 17.

rutankrd 29th May 2016 13:00

LCY parking overnight for the weekend closure between a Saturday am arrival through to Sunday pm departure costs just 134.95 +VAT.

An empty positioning flight would be charged at the full rate according to LCY pricing document and thats from 570 to 1,608.00 charged on the previous arrival.

No wonder that BACF are routing over Berlin to avoid that cost.

pamann 30th May 2016 14:54

I don't think anyone on here is reading too much into it. I'd say that having observed the Stansted thread for many years that most of those who support their local airport and contribute here have a good knowledge of the aviation world and how it works. Same can't be said for some of our neighbouring threads. If the BA flights had gone to 'elsewhere' they would have been met with huge fanfare on here by some fan boys, with the speculation of 'where next?' and the talk of BA operating multiple A380's from XXX- 'stick a pin in a map and choose a destination'. Unfortunately with some of the haters on here, good news at Stansted will always be manipulated or turned in to a negative. Haters will always hate. BA chose to operate flights from Stansted because aircraft sitting idle on the ground at LCY don't make money. As I've said before it's not rocket science, BA did their home work and chose Stansted. Some of you do appear to have an ever growing chip on your shoulder.

canberra97 30th May 2016 18:37

Pamann

Excellently worded response, well done :-)

Itchin McCrevis 30th May 2016 18:52


Unfortunately with some of the haters on here, good news at Stansted will always be manipulated or turned in to a negative.
Unfortunately with the amount of paranoia on here, crumbs of good news at Stansted will always be desperately over-hyped....

....there fixed that for you.

Users are warned that any attempt to introduce balance, context or (heaven forbid) educational furtherance into this thread will be considered a crime against the community and punished by veiled references to a building site adjacent to a former refuse tip in Bedfordshire.

Pain in the R's 30th May 2016 19:09


Some of you do appear to have an ever growing chip on your shoulder

Poor post Pamann, I have read back through several pages and nothing I have seen could be regard as negative but more of stating of facts.

While some posts appear to you as coming from people with chips on their shoulders for being what I see as balanced, you could be viewed as having whole potatoes on yours with your narrow Stansted fan posts

Sorry Pamann, smell the coffee come to mind, if you are going to be harsh on others then expect a response from people who would normally not comment on this thread. :yuk:

davidjohnson6 30th May 2016 20:34

Does anyone know about a (possibly charter) airline called FlyOne operating flights between Stansted and Chisinau in Moldova ?
FlyOne ? Orar zboruri

Flight times seem different from the Air Moldova flights. I'm trying to work out whether this is a well polished school project, someone's fantasy, or whether this might actually turn into reality

SWBKCB 30th May 2016 20:49

FlyOne
 
Their flights to Antalya appear on the arrivals/departures on the Chisinau Airport website - there's one about to board. Appear to be using A.320 ER-AXJ.

Itchin McCrevis 30th May 2016 21:20

They are definitely an airline but currently operating just holiday charters. London was one of many destinations on their list of intended scheduled services. If they have poached any ex-Air Moldova people then Stansted would be in with a good chance as Air Moldova liked Stansted.

whitelighter 30th May 2016 21:34

Air moldova
 
Have Air Moldova stopped flying to stansted?

Itchin McCrevis 30th May 2016 22:49

.....Air Moldova liked Stansted last time I spoke to them some time ago and I have no reason to believe that has changed.

...before someone launches into another anti-Stansted conspiracy theory tirade.

pamann 31st May 2016 05:41


While some posts appear to you as coming from people with chips on their shoulders for being what I see as balanced, you could be viewed as having whole potatoes on yours with your narrow Stansted fan posts
Balanced! Some of you wouldn't know balanced if you were given a set of scales!! And my posts are narrow in what respect please? I don't post tripe on here like some. As for being a fan, yes I like Stansted as an airport, but unlike some of the 'airport fans' on here, I don't need to worship it here like its some kind of football team. But I will share what comes to hand news wise. Some of you need to take a step back and accept some criticism! It may just prove that you're more of a balanced individual than trolling an Internet forum with your own agenda.

FRatSTN 31st May 2016 08:12

I don't think there's anything wrong with showing a level of support for an airport you have close links with (and by that I don't mean your favorite to go jetting off on your summer hols or spending an afternoon spotting at)

I like STN as an airport and make no bones about it, I think there's a lot of potential there. I'm generally quite balanced though, I think, with respect to the wider business.

For instance, I don't particularly like LTN airport personally and again I make no bones about it. There's the odd occasion, such as with TO or VY where I think it's a bit of a shame they went for LTN as could have been a good fit for STN. That said, I welcome any new business and development our airports get as I recognize the overall economic benefits, the job creation and strengthened connectivity it brings.

The thing that's frustrating and just plain childish is the ignorance of some of the 'fanboys' on here who sit in their own little magical bubble where the industry seemingly evolves around their favorite airport and any development of any kind at any rival airport is doomed to fail.

AirportPlanner1 31st May 2016 17:10

To support pamann the following is a fact:

Heathrow
Gatwick
Stansted - 2
London City - 2
Southend - 6
Luton - 8

Two airports stick out as having far more posts than other airports with far more activity. To be fair you can forgive SEN a couple of threads given the amount to discuss from the airport's rise. But overall this says to me that talk doesn't translate to tangible news.

pamann 31st May 2016 17:44

Thanks guys for backing me up :)

By order of popularity on pprune LHR should be a regional airport on par with Teeside!

For some on here it will always be a popularity contest with a clear display of sour grapes on occasion. When you've been on pprune long enough you know exactly who they are and can predict their posts.

Itchin McCrevis 31st May 2016 17:55


Two airports stick out as having far more posts than other airports with far more activity
Well only the brave are going to bother posting anything other than "oh Stansted I love you so much and wanna have your baby" on a thread that seems to be policed by the MAG PR mafia


But overall this says to me that talk doesn't translate to tangible news.
veiled poke at LTNman again I assume (must be something about the name), well to his credit he does a damn fine job of keeping those of us not local informed about what is happening at his namesake aerodrome - both good and questionable


To be fair you can forgive SEN a couple of threads given the amount to discuss from the airport's rise.
Sorry - now I realise you are being ironic, good one..!

LTNman 31st May 2016 22:15

The best thing Pamann can do is to not read the Luton threads but we all know that he will because he can't keep away or stop having digs at others.

FRatSTN states he doesn't particularly like Luton. Well I will tell you something, neither do I. The place is a shocker and I say so but it is posing a real threat to its Essex neighbour and a few fan boys here don't like it.

One of the reasons for all the LTN posts is because so much is going on. If posts here are far a few between then I suspect there is very little going on or no one can be bothered to report the news and YES trivia. Trivia keeps the thread ticking along but trivia to some is news to others.

On the Luton history thread there are nearly 1500 posts and 293,000 hits. There isn't a Stansted history thread because no one is interested in starting one. So why is that then?

What will be interesting is when Luton gets a terminal to London travel time of 30 minutes, which is planned for by 2020, but even if it knocks 20 minutes off the Stansted travel time Stansted will always be the better airport for no other reason than it has the room and space that Luton lacks but it will reinforce the view of many that Stansted is further out from London than it really is.

So from 2020 Travel times to London:

Heathow 15 minutes
Gatwick 30 minutes
Luton 30 minutes
Stansted 47-53 minutes and no overnight rail service

Not looking good is it?


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