I do like the Post on their FB page
"I have asked twice now for information that any realistic business startup should be able to provide to anyone.
There is a lot of issues with this that now concern me (and others I'm aware of) these include:
1. A very basic and amateur website with no details of any real significance.
2. Unrealistic expectations to become a national airline.
3. The posts on the FB group are insignificant to the reasons behind the group itself.
4. They can't respond to simple requests for information about the business which EVERY investor is entitled to see and read before investing.
This all raises too many alarm bells for me so I would warn people NOT to invest until the owners can provide information and evidence to back up the claims and prove this is a legitimate and viable business."

Ryanair announce 5 new Summer`18 routes for STN..FRA 2daily..Aalborg 4pw.. DUS/Weeze 4pw.. Oradea/Romania 3pw..& Pardubice/Czech R..3pw for a predicted STN thruput of 21.4m pax pa..

Unless I am missing something, aren't all these routers already operating this year?

1sky - the new routes were certainly announced several months ago

Southside Bobby, did you miss the fact that there may be no RYR routes by S19! Ryanair Launches London Summer 2018 Schedule; Reiterates Brexit Fears - Finance News - London South East

I know it's all RYR huff & puff but I would have thought that would be of more interest to post on this thread!

Key words dear boys are "new for Summer `18"....Yes already announced for Winter`17 so a continuance & therefore first timers to a Summer sched...or together with other facts will make for 144 RYR destinations from STN Summer`18 delivering 21.4m pax pa...
Pabley...no sorry...altho RYR making the statement it would apply equally to any UK airport..so not in the STN thread please...Anyways the strong operational & commercial statement I have partly referred to above surely indicates reality that "it will be sorted"...

Ryanair have yet to get over the fact that the great British public take no notice of anything Ryanair say. I doubt that MAG do either with their plans for Stansted.

The use of Apostrophe's and Random Capitalisation's on that site and the GoFundMe ought to be Some Kind's of Offence.

"CEO"'s aviation CV is a bit around the STN check-in desks after leaving school, followed by a move into a restaurant at the airport, and cabin crew training from some kind of training provider that doesn't appear to be associated with an airline.

Sorry could we have that in some form of comprehensible English. I know it may be difficult but try.

Ryanair launching S18
 

I've tried booking a flight from STN to DUB for S18 - but Ryanair's website shows zero availability after 24 March 2018
Temporary glitch or are other people also finding that S18 has yet to actually go on sale on Ryanair's website (or any other website for that matter !)

With Ryanair I've always found that once they announce a route it generally goes on sale the following day. I'm going to guess that's probably the case for their summer 2018 schedule too.

Dallas added by WOW as a new destination & connection from both LGW & STN..Dallas commences 23.5.18....

I've had a look at what Ryanair have loaded for S18. Lorient and Rijeka were both flown in S17, but neither has a schedule published beyond the end of S17
One might conclude that Stansted-Lorient and Stansted-Rijeka are at risk of not being flown by Ryanair in S18

With a 7hr 20min stopover in KEF on the way back that is going to fun :yuk: but if you don't care about that the price is good

Pabely....Horses for courses an all that....still anyway remind me or inform the thread how long pray may the transit time be DFW-LTN ?...thanks :E

You know they run trips to the Blue Lagoon for longer stopovers, right? It's not like spending 7 hours in say JFK, CDG or LHR between flights. You're right it's not for everyone, but that kind of stopover is very attractive for Americans in particular heading over to Europe.

Direct to LHR and a bus my dear boy:E and I would be sitting at home whilst via Essex I would still be in Iceland

See your still hanging around the Stansted thread spouting your doom and gloom, what's up nothing happening in and around Luton ? I guess there is only so much people can talk about multi storey car parks and pie in the sky expansion plans, feel free to contribute with and positive comments but please do me a favour and stop with all the negativity, we all know you wouldn't be saying all this if the flights had been announced from Luton.

Come to think about it I`m struggling to remember the last major positive route development/ announcement from LTN....

REALLY do we want a STN v LTN debate AGAIN.... get a life

Mr Ramp Rat...Whoa steady on chap....Yes you may be stating the b****ing obvious but just suggest it eh without the backbite ending comment....Trading facts about/between inanimate businesses is one thing but there is no need to be quite so personal..My last post was partly tongue in cheek (context) but actually factual,as is the previous poster`s observation..I think I have always attempted factual & positive posts on this thread... thanking you...

I was only responding to the fact that the WOW DFW announcement seemed not to be directly related to STN or LGW, nothing in their press release says that, it says connections from Europe.
If every new connection by WOW from Iceland deems this be be news, fair enough I will keep quiet once more US destinations are added.
I was also asked how long to get for DFW to LTN, I responded to my home, I answered that as well. In fact returning via LGW using WOW saves 6 hours vs STN as well so can be back in office by lunchtime where via STN I am unproductive all day. If I was going to DFW on business then my employer would want the maximum benefit from me being there which relates to direct flights if possible.
If I was going on pleasure I would want to spend as much time there and not in a transit airport, or doing a quick tourist trip in between, my leisure time is precious but I'm not a 18-30 or wanting to do Europe in 5 days! :)

Pabely....Yer but yer but....I think it just depends which press release/announcement one reads...Travel Mole a well respected UK travel news consolidator amongst others carried the news in a v similar fashion,featuring obviously the news as applicable & viewed from the UK or the London market,accepted in a press release WOW are not going to run thru every & all multiple connections from their soon to be comprehensive network,I posted in relation to STN particularly cos it is fairly important to STN particularly,accept?..I will continue to post further news of connections from STN which may become available...so look away now...If you point out the time diff on return perhaps a flexible ticket may become available...Eventual re-banking out of KEF may help & AM STN slots also would...I`m sure London will be marketed in Dallas as available & a connection...I think you miss too the demographic perhaps of the model & market..but as you say perhaps not for you..the opportunities are a changing tho...

Pabely, you might want to get to your destination as quickly as possible but there are many including the relatively well off that are happy to take a long transfer as it gives the chance to see someone new and somewhere you may not otherwise be bothered about travelling to specifically. For us Brits and other Europeans probably the best examples are Doha, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, eg Qatar lay on specific coach trips defending on how many hours you're there.

I agree that for us Brits a long stop in Iceland may be a bit of a nuisance, as it's not that far and we're able to travel there pretty easily. But put yourself in the shoes of Mr and Mrs American coming over for a two week tour of Europe. The chance to see a bit of Iceland is quite exciting.

When they are just 9 hour direct flights? yeah right:confused:


daz211 wrote
Really surprised at all the negativity towards pabely when he is just stating a fact. Maybe it is just an inconvenient fact that should not pass the thread censors.:oh:

southside bobby wrote
Yes good news indeed as the place is full:ok:

AirportPlanner1 wrote

Yes 45 minutes to get through the airport after a sleepless 8 hour night flight plus a different time zone so they will think it is the middle of the night. 2 hours to check back in and then add transport into and out of town. I can just see those Americans flocking to spend a few hours sightseeing fresh faced an bushy tailed. :8 Oh and I would make the same comment if I read the same nonsense on the LTN thread BUT saying that they could stay overnight I guess if the conditions of the cheap ticket allowed a longer stay.

Wow are not the only airline to offer indirect flight.

Indirect London Dallas flights via Aer Lingus and American £597 return, West Jet £613 return, British Airways and American £693 return plus others. No doubt Wow will attract some passengers but there are other options so don't expect to see many 10 gallon hats and cowboy boots.

[QUOTE=LTNman;9886084]When they are just 9 hour direct flights? yeah right:confused:


daz211 wrote


Really surprised at all the negativity towards pabely when he is just stating a fact. Maybe it is just an inconvenient fact that should not pass the thread censors.:oh:

southside bobby wrote


Yes good news indeed as the place is full:ok:

AirportPlanner1 wrote



i guess there is not many directions the conversation can go when he jumps in to the thread after another airline announced a new routes from STN and his comment is something along the lines of don't hold your breath they will move to Gatwick as soon as slots are available.
My point is valid he would not be putting the new routes / connections down it the airline had chosen Luton

That's the end of it from me not getting any further into Stansted v Luton :rolleyes:

Who has mentioned Gatwick? If there was any consolidation I would think Stansted could be a winner as there are no other options for anyone who wanted to fly from Stansted.

Plenty of business for both LTN and STN to keep everyone happy. Not sure why there is an obsession here about that little airport in the Bedfordshire badlands or with anyone who normally posts there.

LTNman......You too fail with the model possibly cos your own demographic does not fit either..Wow & Primera have only one reason for landing in these American cities & that is the transferring pax.They together with Icelandair are all making use of the country`s geographic position to pull a large number of pax from all over Europe into the KEF hub & then onward,in a smaller version of the ME3 going East thru the desert..This is the modus being put together, they will gain even more traction as further destinations are added..So perhaps not vast amounts of cowboy boots @ STN to start,STN being just one spoke in the wheel,but there is much potential..You seem to not consider the advertising the other side of the pond...Your dismissals are somewhat reflective of heads of the legacy carriers when confronted with innovations(& they should have known better)...such as the ME3 & the LCC`s & more contemporary developments such as Norwegian....BTW I noticed ads from Norwegian on TV for the first time two nights ago,so perhaps they view the planned developments somewhat differently to you too & feel they have to advertise into the same potential markets now.You should not be too self satisfied with your hard wired status quo....AirportPlanner1 has a fair point too regarding transits thru DXB/DOH &c if pax care to take advantage,if you are not aware ask pax or even ask the airlines....Anyways interesting times...

Fair enough. You make good points which has torn apart my argument which I respect.:ok:

Fair go LTNman....Certainly a fascinating industry sometimes predictable but more often perhaps err not...generally tho interesting times all round..:))

To come back also on the points about my previous post, you say people wouldn't choose this option because there are already 8 hour direct flights but then you sort of ruin your own argument by pointing out the fares for indirect options which are towards the top end of what WOW would ask for. Apart from the likes of NYC, Vegas, Orlando and LA, non stop fares to other US cities are often ridiculously expensive.

India/Sri Lanka are a similar journey time from here, yet many transfer through the Middle East or Turkey.

On transferring at KEF, you're times are quite wide of the mark. I've never had an issue getting through immigration quickly, and you shouldn't need to check in again. The Blue Lagoon is in close proximity to the airport, hence why the trips are run.

I'm hearing chatter that flyscoot are to make a decision on routes from Stansted or Manchester in the coming months the strange thing is the routes are to India or via India not sure if this has been mentioned but thought I would share.

Yes thanks for sharing...Scoot have mentioned MAN themselves this week,it is good to hear STN mentioned @ least in the chat,tho with the same owners MAN/STN not a total surprise I guess.Positively for STN tho the new CEO takes up position this month,he is accredited with much route development expertise with MAG /MAN hence the switch with CEO`s to build it @ STN..It appears Scoot are aiming to tap the Indian sub-continent lower cost market to Europe & the UK before Indian based airlines such as SpiceJet who have indicated the same (LGW) interest,tho at present not having the equipment..Scoot will fly via the sub-continent too as they obviously have no wish to dilute owner`s SIA own traffic into the main hubs which may inc therefore MAN...Another interesting development...

I'm not sure where you have heard that chatter as London is not included in the India 5th freedoms so unlikely to allow Scoot to fly SIN-India-STN. Current 5th freedom bilaterals specifically state London and the US is not included.

Obviously nothing stopping Scoot starting SIN-STN as a stand alone route, but SQ have also mentioned they don't want to dilute their London yields.

It's worth pointing out that the SQ51/52 serves 3 different purposes, SIN-IAH-SIN, SIN-MAN-SIN and MAN-IAH-MAN so should stand up on those 3.

The new Scoot routes are primarily aimed at India-Europe and Singapore India, so, won't be competing directly with the SQ51/52 in the traditional sense.

Those yields could come under pressure anyway from Norwegian on LGW-SIN. Whether SQ's response is as simple as offering some heavily discounted fares in the back of their LHR A380s, or a limited Scoot operation from one of the other London airports, remains to be seen.

am I right to think that for the sake of bilaterals Stansted was declared not to be part of London some time ago. I might be completely wrong on that or it might have been a specific bilateral like the UK-US one.

Indeed, Norwegian could be an issue but just reporting what was said.

Norwegian being incentive chasers, remains to be seen if Singapore has longevity, but it's also a market that sees a lot of competition and remains a strong route to this day, so, should be ok.

So we have an airport that picks and chooses if it is part of London or not to suit its own gains. Superb.

Still doesn't alter the fact SQ/TZ have said they don't want to introduce London and that London hasn't been mentioned as a possible route in ANY article.

Keep the faith LAX LHR....:))

LAX LHR.. the airport does not "choose if it is part of London to suit it`s own gains" as you put it...HM Govt is the regulator but now in a heavily competitive London arena Government was signalling/drafting it was at the least considering extending the UK`s existing regional fifth freedom policy to LGW/STN & LTN ...whether this is in effect or it requires a submission/request/lobbying from an airline is not clear...Anyways with the `B` word coming into effect too I`m sure HM Govt would view all such submissions v liberally....
"SQ/TZ have not mentioned London"...but as I pointed out a new CEO in place @ STN will enhance all marketing prospects...& I did not have the impression the original poster was reading "articles"...Still time is gonna tell,but please do not be so negative about an equal family member..:))