Noticed today the BAW/BACF STN service to & from IBZ is dual coded with IBE...

Southside bobby.

You mention it's an equal family member but was it not you who recently tried to ram down our throats about how STN would soon eclipse MAN for pax numbers. Again, only equal when it suits you.

Also Its not negative re:Scoot, it's reporting on what's already known. New manager or not, STN hasn't been mentioned at all

You say STN hasn't been mentioned but what I think you ment was you haven't heard STN mentioned I have a very reliable contact that assures me STN has been mentioned and behind the scenes there is a lot going on to bring scoot to STN I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying negotiating are ongoing involving MAG and Scoot regarding MAN and STN only time will tell and I'm told we will know before November

Yes I did say STN hasn't been mentioned, because it hasn't. There is not one single article that mentions a possible London route, never mind Stansted.

Rumours happen all the time and you may have a good source, but I am talking purely publicly at the moment, and what we have seen is a quote that said 'London isn't under consideration as we don't want to dilute our SQ product'.

I just think a large market like London, if Scoot was under consideration, don't you think they would want to advertise that?

I too am not saying Scoot will never happen from STN, but as of this time, we have seen nothing public to suggest it's imminent and that's the only point I'm interested in for the sake of this argument.

I have been told Scoot have no plans to serve any airport that Singapore fly too - which makes sense and dismisses Manchester.
Stansted makes sense as it is well away from the Singapore operation at Heathrow.
So it looks like MAG are talking to Scoot as you would expect them to be.
BHX makes more sense still

Well, if scoot has no plans to serve Manchester, we better tell their Indian area manager, as he certainly seems to think they are looking to serve Manchester, and Copenhagen for that matter too. Or are people just choosing to ignore the now 20+ articles stating specifically Manchester? I'd rather believe one of the managers from scoot than an unknown and completely unverifiable source.

In fact, scoot might need to pull a lot of their destinations if they are not to serve any SQ airport........

My understanding is that Scoot are aiming to exploit fifth freedom rights out of India, and that this is the main market. So, routing Singapore-India for that market, and then India-Europe as a different market.

In this scenario, the competing against SQ argument falls away. More like competition for the ME3.

LAX LHR...Whilst you are correct quoting the public facts it does appear you are choosing to ignore & to give any credence or thought to other`s input...Scoot may not appear at STN but you should take from the posts that STN will be in the mix when MAG is talking with any airline..This is a rumour mill as well & perhaps you are not aware of negotiation & even the non information within those negotiations...only @ the v top is anybody within Scoot really aware...I know you like to see the appearances & quote only from the GDS system,so we can will leave you to that..
Although......SWBKCB in his first paragraph at least is nearer the portrayal of the intended market & perhaps in his second paragraph but not his intended point stating competition with/for the ME3 so perhaps that would also serve to steer a new entrant away from an ME3 saturated airport...just a thought..
The position swap between MAN & STN which you rightly know is CEO not "manager"...

Southside,

Have you actually read my posts or have you just gone into 'someone has said something ever so slightly negative so full on defence mode required'?

Reason I say that is that I haven't ignored anything, how can I ignore something I have replied to? Secondly, yes, I have quoted public fact, how there can be an issue with that is beyond me but there we go. I may not be giving credence to the rumours yet because thus far, we have seen public quotes against a STN flight (facts) versus rumours (no verification). Yes, scoot may well be talking to STN, but that means nothing until the airline says something about the airport. MIAT Mongolian met Manchester Airport last year, doesn't mean I think there is a route to Ulaan Bator in the making and willing to strike anyone down who dares not to believe me, does it!

Also, I'll say again, I have not said that Scoot will never come to STN, I wouldn't say that about any airline and any airport, you can never say never in this industry. All I have said is that Scoot hasn't been mentioned in any article (factually correct) and while there may be some leeway in it, Scoot cannot serve London-India (factually correct).

If you cannot handle factual information then that's not my issue, so I'll leave it there.

The presence of competitors shows there's a market, and Scoot would be offering direct flights between UK-India, as opposed to the ME3.

Lets not get our knickers in a twist shall we?

In my experience at least, the ink is often dry on a lot of commercial deals long before they are made public, so I would hardly agree that only what goes in the press can be described as fact. Companies believe it or not don't tend to share that kind of information before it goes public.

Equally, so called contacts spreading gossip to outsiders about any kind of development behind the scenes would no doubt be in severe breach of contract. Quite frankly my credibility would be far more important to me.

It's good to see a bit more discussion on the STN thread finally, but let's try to stay civilised.

i had to look twice at the post above about SQ/TZ looking at new routes from STN

TZ, many may recall, was the code used by ATA Airlines, aka American Trans Air, the Indianapolis-based carrier that went under in 2008.

Okey Dokes rog747....perfectly correct ATA landed @ STN too more than once & many remember them & yup TZ was their prefix when in business..For my bad I copied a certain other poster as much to highlight my reply...Scoot is of course TR..c/s "scooter"...
Not detracting but you are aware too of course prefix`s are re-used,a case in point causing a bit of comment is coincidently Wow Air who have on some flights in Scandinavia being using WW which of course at one time belonged to BMI....

Could you repeat that again southside bobby in understandable English please. Ampersands are never used except for company names, also @ is never used in a sentence.As someone who was connected with the media for over forty years I find the standard of written English nowadays to be appalling.

I have already posted on another thread about southside bobby's incomprehensible English. No doubt he has points to make but regrettably I can't be bothered to try and decipher his sentence construction.

Seriously guys!

This website and forum gets worse and worse by the day with constant nitpicking and bitching. Not everyone speaks the Queen's English nor do they type it. However I can understand Southside's posts, it really isn't that difficult it is clearly just Southside's style. It's as bad as poking fun at someone because they are different. No one posting here is employed by Pprune to police these forums as the 'Grammar Police'. So please just give it a rest and wind your necks in.

I used to really enjoy reading the facts and mostly rumours on this site but I pretty much give it a wide berth these days because some of you regulars who post here are like a bunch of precious old women.

thanks yes and prefix WW was Bmi Baby

BD was BMA/BMI mainline scheds and the charters from 1964 until closure/merge with BA

BD has now gone to some little airline in south Asia or Pacific i think


Scoot is now TZ it seems

roq747....yes right of course WW ="be my baby"....thanks for your correction..
Must admit contradictory info out there but another source does indeed state TZ for Scoot & it would not be like the original replier to the thread to make an error with prefixes..
Anyways I hope they still have their c/sign as "scooter" cos it`s clever & well bad!!..oooops = good...:))

It seems Scoot is now being sold as tiger air so now has changed over to the TR call sign, has only been a recent change so still some confusion.

Scoot and Tigerair Merger

Ta.....just as my further researches have revealed & in more succinct form than most!.. & of course the Tigerair mentioned is Tigerair (Singapore) only..

:D:D:D:D
Here Here

Ladies,isn't it about time someone posted a decent rumour on this Rumour Network?

Let me be the first..
with thompson pulling their longhaul out of stn next year the stage will be set for another carrier to enter the fray.Top of the list of contenders at the mo appears to be AA followed by a certain chinese carrier.

Hang on - AA as in American Airlines?🤔

Never been a P in Thomson!

That always annoys me just as much as Stanstead does...rant over.

Regarding American Airlines I can't see them making a third attempt at Stansted.

STN records 2.7m pax in August + 9.9% it`s busiest ever month & for a rolling 12 month total of 25.4m.:ok:..Cargo marginally up in August with 21,000 tonnes + 1.4% & rolling 12 month figure of 259,400 tonnes which is a 4% increase..

canberra97...just for the record & I know you aim for completeness too, American Airlines 2nd coming @ STN was not really an "attempt" as such & not a full network integrated permanent approach,it was purely aimed @ Eos & MaxJet...job done they were "outta here big style"...Whether a 3rd coming has any credence well logic says no.........(however)..

I am totally aware of why American Airlines had their second attempt at Stansted to fight off EOS and Maxjet and the reasons behind it but a third attempt at the airport in my opinion won't happen.

ps notice I used 'and' rather than & and 'at' rather than @ or even 'third' rather than 3rd.

pps...& I notice you are still using the word "attempt" it was not an attempt it was just a strategic ploy & that was the reasoning for my post as attempt suggests possible failure as an outcome & in the STN context 2nd time around it was an absolute success...so one attempt & one success right?...& in my opinion too as I stated a 3rd coming is not logical......
Oh & by the way I notice everything but will not discuss my deliberate keyboard use with you.Can you & the others please keep the discussions or exchanges to relevant issues which we are more interested in rather than attempting to score cheap irrelevant points.Ta

[QUOTE=southside bobby;9888463]pps...& I notice you are still using the word "attempt" it was not an attempt it was just a strategic ploy & that was the reasoning for my post as attempt suggests possible failure as an outcome & in the STN context 2nd time around it was an absolute success...so one attempt & one success right?...& in my opinion too as I stated a 3rd coming is not logical......
Oh & by the way I notice everything but will not discuss my deliberate keyboard use with you.Can you & the others please keep the discussions or exchanges to relevant issues which we are more interested in rather than attempting to score cheap irrelevant points.Ta[/QUOTE
SSB the adverse comments regarding your posts are because of your 'deliberate keyboard use'. Cannot you find a pattern forming here? It is not that people are trying to score 'cheap irrelevant points', it's just that we would like to understand what you are saying. We appreciate your support for STN, please help by writing your posts in intelligible English.

None of us are obliged to type anything, and none of us are obliged to read everything that has been typed.


I always work on the basis that people should type how they please (bearing in mind that if they were typing something because they want people to read it, the number of people who do so may be affected by the way they decide on) and that people should read what they want to (keeping in mind that they may miss something interesting based on what they want to).

If it really upsets anyone then there is an ignore list feature.

We don't want or even feel the need to use the ignore list all we want or expect from adults as in posters on these forums is for them to type in a manner that others can understand not in a gibberish childlike manner.

It's as if SSB has a different mentality when it comes to the English language and if he thinks he is being clever by doing so it only looses him any credibility on these forums so until he grows up and conducts his post in a more familiar way he can't be taken to seriously.

I think that's what others including myself are trying to get across.

This is the third time you've had a public spat with someone this week that's become a playground spat. Use private messages if you want to have a go at another person, it's tedious for the rest of us.....

Skip

We've had words in the past and I would prefer out of all people for you to personally keep your thoughts to yourself.

Your the first person to put someone down either on here or on airliners.net for far less than what I have wrote.

Can we please get this back on track and in the nicest possible way Canberra97 can you wind your neck in and build a bridge for the sake of all of us here.

Thank you.

pamman

Yes I will secumb to your advice and I agree let's get back on track as I prefer to take it from yourself rather than someone else as in skip.