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Old 29th Apr 2022, 10:39
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With the best will in the world at the moment due to staff shortages all over the U.K maintaining an on time schedule is somewhat of a miracle. Whilst they have 'their own' handling at BHX elsewhere they're relying on Swissport who have struggled to ramp up staff levels to meet demand. No doubt the crews and management of flybe are trying their best to keep things on time, but when you're relying on a 3rd party handling agent who is struggling its never going to be ideal.... combine that with 8 sectors and well delays happen.
That last point seems very valid, and given their past experience with (alleged) reliability issues on the Dash 8 not having a 4th machine for back up when you're push the other three aircraft so hard is perhaps surprising. But then again the new business is undoubtedly unwilling to repeat mistakes made by the former Flybe and keeping a much tighter lid on cost, and potentially having an aircraft sitting idly around means cost, unless they had an agreement to pay by the flying hour. I wonder when airframe No.4 is likely to appear.

From the post above the irony of the self handling at BHX would appear to be that this morning the BHX aircraft was the one badly delayed. who knows the cause; could have been crew sickness, missing passenger, security. I'm sure an insider knows, but if I were them I wouldn't be piping up here!
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 12:15
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The social media (which cheerleaders were so keen to tell us was full of positive comments) is not looking so positive today. Reports of delays and “system problems”.
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I wonder when airframe No.4 is likely to appear.
By "mid-May at the latest", apparently

Big delays today, as mentioned above, (>2.5hrs) on the aircraft that started at BHX this morning. Looks like BHX and EMA flights to AMS (due to be operated as a W from BHX by the same a/c) are being merged in an attempt to recover the schedule. Hope that doesn't mean pax are left behind.

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Old 29th Apr 2022, 12:40
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
The social media (which cheerleaders were so keen to tell us was full of positive comments) is not looking so positive today. Reports of delays and “system problems”.
Isn't that the nature of social media? Which airlines social media pages is full happy customers offering praise and compliments?
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 12:45
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Isn't that the nature of social media? Which airlines social media pages is full happy customers offering praise and compliments?
of course. I’m just highlighting how we were being told that it was overwhelmingly positive. Now things are not great it obviously reflects that.

However there are a lot of comments about various issues including very long queues for check in and website not working properly.

It was good to see that they have been giving people vouchers for delays which not all carriers do, although £4 doesn’t go very far at an airport.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 14:54
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Originally Posted by Wycombe View Post
By "mid-May at the latest", apparently

Big delays today, as mentioned above, (>2.5hrs) on the aircraft that started at BHX this morning. Looks like BHX and EMA flights to AMS (due to be operated as a W from BHX by the same a/c) are being merged in an attempt to recover the schedule. Hope that doesn't mean pax are left behind.
Probably means their load factors are low enough to be able to do it without the need to cancel any pax
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 10:26
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Sharklet. If you are right, its not a great endorsement of the future of the airline .Friends of mine at BACF, Easy and Ryan says their aircraft are generally full as people escape the last two years for more exotic climbs. Not sure if flybe will cope in new world dynamics.

Please don't any flybe fanatics come back with verbose comments. I, as others, are entitled to comment on positive or negative commercial viabilities.

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Old 30th Apr 2022, 10:42
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Sharklet. If you are right, its not a great endorsement of the future of the airline .Friends of mine at BACF, Easy and Ryan says their aircraft are generally full as people escape the last two years for more exotic climbs. Not sure if flybe will cope in new world dynamics.

Please don't any flybe fanatics come back with verbose comments. I, as others, are entitled to comment on positive or negative commercial viabilities.
Not sure many of the current routes in Flybe's portfolio could be classified as exotic!!
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 16:40
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Out of interest, if I run a dummy booking for the next day and go to reserve a seat is the seat selection page indicative of the loads or does it not show the pax who didn't want to pay to reserve a seat?
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 17:01
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Out of interest, if I run a dummy booking for the next day and go to reserve a seat is the seat selection page indicative of the loads or does it not show the pax who didn't want to pay to reserve a seat?
Loads are much better than I expected many 70+ pax
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 17:28
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I don’t think you could say the same if your username was LBA5DME from all that I’m hearing …

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Old 30th Apr 2022, 17:49
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From what I've seen on the booking reserve a seat system BHX - BHD loads look decent.

Leeds - Heathrow look pretty poor.
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 18:31
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It's a forum about an airline. People are allowed to talk about how the routes have started. So many sensitive souls on here.

And, tbh, I don't think many airlines spend much time 'building routes' these days. If they don't work sharpish they will pull them and put them somewhere the aircraft will make money.

Leeds - Heathrow on Tuesday has 3 people on the seat reservations. Some of the flights back on Wednesday have 0.

It's clear BHX - BHD is doing well on the loads.

But then again, I've only been pushing buttons at the pointy end for 14 years so what do I know!?

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Old 30th Apr 2022, 19:36
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Originally Posted by cavokblues View Post
It's a forum about an airline. People are allowed to talk about how the routes have started. So many sensitive souls on here.

And, tbh, I don't think many airlines spend much time 'building routes' these days. If they don't work sharpish they will pull them and put them somewhere the aircraft will make money.

Leeds - Heathrow on Tuesday has 3 people on the seat reservations. Some of the flights back on Wednesday have 0.

It's clear BHX - BHD is doing well on the loads.

But then again, I've only been pushing buttons at the pointy end for 14 years so what do I know!?
AMS-BHX had 78 pax Friday
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That's very impressive!
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 19:45
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME View Post
AMS-BHX had 78 pax Friday
For those who don't know, the Q400 has 78 seats, so that was full.
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 21:20
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For those who don't know, the Q400 has 78 seats, so that was full.
and for those that don’t know AMS has had mass cancellations recently due to ground staff shortages/strikes and pax are getting rerouted via any route they can to the UK. (Not sure about Friday but today 2/3 of KLMs BHX rotations were cancelled).Great for Flybe revenue short term but I’d take any load factors with a bucket of salt
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 22:03
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Load factors count for little, yield is everything.
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 22:04
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Load factors count for little, yield is everything.
Especially when you start running multiple late flights and having cancellations which all cost money for duty of care and delay compensation.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Load factors count for little, yield is everything.
Oh come on, there is also a fairly high correlation between high loads and profitability. It is possible to have high loads and lose money but it is not something that lasts long. Unless you're Eastern Airways levels of fares, in the modern UK short haul market, you need to fill an aeroplane to make real money.

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Jesus christ they've only just launched some of these routes, it's clear most of the people commenting on here have no real world aviation experience. As industry insiders know it takes time for publicity for a route to build, especially for a new airline with a limited budget. I wish certain armchair experts would just stop giving their opinions as facts or statements.
​​​​​​What "new airline" is this of which you speak? Surely not the well known and beloved flybe returning to market? Chill out, and unless you're an actual CEO, the same applies to you!
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