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Old 15th Apr 2022, 14:47
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"There’s no question that the ATR is more economical but it’s also slower and at a curfewed airport like BHD that makes a difference. "

Really ?

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Old 15th Apr 2022, 15:29
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I really don't understand why some simply can't accept that; a) it was a totally legal buy out of administration, b) it is a new business, and c) because - for some strange reason, they just chose to use the same trading name for the new business.
Because you can do perfectly legal things which are in many people's views, unethical. For many people, the dishonesty of having it both ways is wrong. Being a "well loved brand returning" and a "whole new airline with no connection to the old"' is bending credulity so far as to break. I find the whole thing dishonest, they consciously chose this path, there were less controversial options. I mean no one really believes Glasgow Rangers FC dates from 2012 although that's the legal position 😉 If flybe2 succeed, the "whole new business" thing will be airbrushed away, however legally accurate it may be.

We're not gonna agree on this, an we're entitled to challenge questionable fanboy assertions. Let's see how they do.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 15:50
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Because you can do perfectly legal things which are in many people's views, unethical. For many people, the dishonesty of having it both ways is wrong. Being a "well loved brand returning" and a "whole new airline with no connection to the old"' is bending credulity so far as to break. I find the whole thing dishonest, they consciously chose this path, there were less controversial options. I mean no one really believes Glasgow Rangers FC dates from 2012 although that's the legal position 😉 If flybe2 succeed, the "whole new business" thing will be airbrushed away, however legally accurate it may be.

We're not gonna agree on this, an we're entitled to challenge questionable fanboy assertions. Let's see how they do.
Completely agree, youíve had the final word so lets park it there 👍
Nothing more needs to said on the subject.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 16:59
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As far as I can see, both Emerald and Flybe are planning four rotations a day on their Belfast-based aircraft (ATRs and Q4s). If flying short routes like Glasgow, both could probably go to five but look to have the common sense with all of the trouble out there on airports and ground handlers not to do so right now!

Apart from some false sense of confidence that pitching a Q4 against a jet on BHD-LHR is a good idea - which I don't think anyone with an ATR would - then I can't see any difference beyond the fact the Q4 is a lot heavier, burns more fuel and only carries six more passengers (if full - which I doubt anyone will be with competition on most routes).

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Old 15th Apr 2022, 18:29
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
As far as I can see, both Emerald and Flybe are planning four rotations a day on their Belfast-based aircraft (ATRs and Q4s). If flying short routes like Glasgow, both could probably go to five but look to have the common sense with all of the trouble out there on airports and ground handlers not to do so right now!

Apart from some false sense of confidence that pitching a Q4 against a jet on BHD-LHR is a good idea - which I don't think anyone with an ATR would - then I can't see any difference beyond the fact the Q4 is a lot heavier, burns more fuel and only carries six more passengers (if full - which I doubt anyone will be with competition on most routes).
To be fair Flybe have had as many as 7x daily rotations on BHX and MAN in the past and 5x daily 146 flights. Whilst business travel isn't what it was there's an explosion in leisure demand now and U2 have ramped up their offering from BFS with the lack of competition from when Flybe went bust - I'm sure they'll retreat back to some degree, they won't burn cash forever fighting for business.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 19:59
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It's hard to believe this new airline nonsense as it is more or less same crew same management same almost everything. There is just not enough difference for people to believe it is something new or even improved. Back to charging for bags at the gate. But Feddie Laker pulled the same stunt and relaunched Laker but based in US when relaunched
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
It's hard to believe this new airline nonsense as it is more or less same crew same management same almost everything. There is just not enough difference for people to believe it is something new or even improved. Back to charging for bags at the gate. But Feddie Laker pulled the same stunt and relaunched Laker but based in US when relaunched
it is not the same management
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
It's hard to believe this new airline nonsense as it is more or less same crew same management same almost everything. There is just not enough difference for people to believe it is something new or even improved. Back to charging for bags at the gate. But Feddie Laker pulled the same stunt and relaunched Laker but based in US when relaunched
and look how that ended
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Old 16th Apr 2022, 08:24
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There is one or two thats the same management.

But irrelevant of that, it is the same business model. But smaller and in more challenging times.

I do wish it to succeed but the odds are against it.
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Old 16th Apr 2022, 11:13
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Good god this thread is both tedious and depressing!
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Good god your statement is tedious and depressing.

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Old 16th Apr 2022, 11:32
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Good god this thread is both tedious and depressing!
Indeed. So, so tedious
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Old 16th Apr 2022, 12:47
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Originally Posted by ZULUBOY
Indeed. So, so tedious
Tedious, repetative and often nonsensicle
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Maybe there should be a separate thread for people to argue about FlyBe 1 v Flybe 2 and the rest of us can discuss the here and now.
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka
Maybe there should be a separate thread for people to argue about FlyBe 1 v Flybe 2 and the rest of us can discuss the here and now.
Good suggestion.

I try to fly as little as possible and we would normally take the train from Birmingham to Berlin, however, Eurostar is sold out for the convenient Saturday morning connection to Cologne via Brussels (May half-term weekend) so we're going to fly to Amsterdam and take the train from there. I found the Flybe website very easy to use and the prices were good. Decent flight times too
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Old 17th Apr 2022, 16:24
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That's the Flybe v1 thread.

Can those people go there.

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Old 18th Apr 2022, 16:06
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
It's very sad that the same old people keep nit picking the same old stuff over and over again like Brexit. Just get over yourself, move on and most importantly SHUT UP!

If Flybe had put new cabins like Porter etc they would have been attacked for wasting money or uncomfortable seats, the way I see it they can't win with these idiots.
From the inaugural flight it appears to me Flybe are taking this comeback very seriously, most experienced captains, most experienced cabin crew on the very first day shows a serious statement of intent to make this business work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdIX-cPCe-I
Is there really a need for such language as idiots and shut up. Itís just a discussion on a forum. Letís try to keep it civil. If people go on about something you donít like ignore it and the conversation dies or moves on.

As for most experienced pilots etc meaning they take it seriously almost any carrier would do that and does do that. BA have a select group of crew just for media flights etc. Did anyone have such low expectations of Flybe2 that they expected something different?

However itís great to see things seem to have gone smoothly so far given the bad coverage other carriers have had in recent days it should certainly help them further.
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 16:09
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Just one of those change curve things - anger, denial, blame others....
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Old 18th Apr 2022, 19:13
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
It's very sad that the same old people keep nit picking the same old stuff over and over again like Brexit. Just get over yourself, move on and most importantly SHUT UP!

If Flybe had put new cabins like Porter etc they would have been attacked for wasting money or uncomfortable seats, the way I see it they can't win with these idiots.
From the inaugural flight it appears to me Flybe are taking this comeback very seriously, most experienced captains, most experienced cabin crew on the very first day shows a serious statement of intent to make this business work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdIX-cPCe-I
I think most forums / threads have a point of discussing the product the company is offering and the cabin is certainly part of the product. An area that's surprising and works in their favour is levelling with LM with catering, offering biscuits and drinks. A nice touch even if its the same as some of the competition.
How have the loads been over the weekend? Like most business its probably had some good loads so hopefully that carries on into the summer.

Does it really matter how experienced the crew is as long as they're delivering the product to the best of their ability?
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An area that's surprising and works in their favour is levelling with LM with catering, offering biscuits and drinks. A nice touch even if its the same as some of the competition.
Is this a long-term proposition? I saw it on the inaugural flight reviews and hoped it would be permanent, but assumed that it might have been for the publicity flights? Or is this temporary until they get some sort of Buy-On-Board infrastructure rolled out?
Standard Class on the train wouldnít give refreshments, but First Class usually would. I guess it depends who they feel they are competing with and which passengers they want to attract?
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