Flybe-V2

[Albert Hall]

You've got to wonder about that data. It says Birmingham-Milan was one of the most profitable routes in 2019 but in the same breath, that Flybe discontinued services on it in October 2019. Now I think we all could say that Flybe 1 did some crazy things and some might say Flybe 2 isn't far behind.... But closing a highly profitable route (if that data is correct) is quite strange.

The other thing that the data doesn't account for is the Air France blocked space agreements on CDG flights and the tour operator block space on routes like SOU-VRN. The remaining seats on sale via Flybe.com of old were generally at much higher fares than the "wholesale" prices and so if you take the CAA pax figures and apply the high price at which only a small proportion of seats were sold, you can get some skewed answers from this data. Flybe 1's internal accounting and reporting was so poor that it's quite possible Flybe 2 will fall into the same trap though!

[oapilot]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Loganair have announced they are pulling out of Newquay from November in a spat about NQY welcoming Flybe https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...s-this-winter/

I'm not really surprised about this as Loganair's tactic has basically been to gobble up the profitable bits of Flybe's network purely to stop a new Flybe, when in reality they aren't even interested in the routes.

Wishful thinking. Flybe went bust, Loganair and several others moved in to take the bits of Flybe’s network that were worthwhile.
Claiming that this has only been done to stop a start up airline is a bit wide of the mark.

[BA318]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Loganair have announced they are pulling out of Newquay from November in a spat about NQY welcoming Flybe https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...s-this-winter/

I'm not really surprised about this as Loganair's tactic has basically been to gobble up the profitable bits of Flybe's network purely to stop a new Flybe, when in reality they aren't even interested in the routes.

Literally no evidence that Loganair are not interested in the routes. Indeed they have stuck at them longer than Flybe did with its Leeds-LHR service.

Still waiting for the acknowledgment about Loganair operating IOM-LHR with ATRs despite you repeatedly “correcting” people as well.

[Saabdriver1]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Loganair have announced they are pulling out of Newquay from November in a spat about NQY welcoming Flybe https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...s-this-winter/

I'm not really surprised about this as Loganair's tactic has basically been to gobble up the profitable bits of Flybe's network purely to stop a new Flybe, when in reality they aren't even interested in the routes.

It's just a daft comment. Flying several dozen flights a day on the former Flybe routes is an odd way of showing a lack of interest. I'd be more concerned if they were gobbling up unprofitable bits of Flybe's old network, that would be a really stupid thing to do!

[cavokblues]

Airlines are only ever (or should be only ever) interested in routes which make money. I don't know what more interest an airline would need to show? Any airline which runs an unprofitable route because they're interested in operating between City A and City B or only for sentimental reasons won't be around for long.

[Atlantic Explorer]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Can we stop with all the "daft, stupid, idiotic" comments and try to have a decent conversation for once

Hang on a minute ( as I just wipe up the coffee I’ve just spat out) that’s a bit rich coming from you given your recent posting history!! Pot, kettle springs to mind. Take some of your own advice maybe eh?

[El Bunto]

Originally Posted by cavokblues

Airlines are only ever (or should be only ever) interested in routes which make money. I don't know what more interest an airline would need to show? Any airline which runs an unprofitable route because they're interested in operating between City A and City B or only for sentimental reasons won't be around for long.

'Interest' in a route can mean that the airline puts effort into developing the route, for example through advertising and working with tourist and council authorities at each end in order to develop traffic. Essentially all new routes have to start out like this but once an airline has shown interest and developed it then others can move in and take advantage of their work.

The opposite would be, as an example, Ryanair's routes from Belfast that it only seemingly operates when it has some spare airframes and receives promotional airport rates. Opportunistic rather than strategic.

[commit aviation]

The article dates back to March 2020. Post pandemic I would suggest the market has changed somewhat.
I am sure there would still be demand on many of those routes but the passenger estimates would need revisiting.

[RA85684]

I mean... Titanic turned up in Cherbourg and Cobh alright...

Jury still out on BE2. I really want to see them do well but I just don't feel it. I hope I'm proven wrong

[BA318]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Just seen from elsewhere BE962 arrived in Belfast 25 minutes early this morning. So much for "Flymaybe" as lot of people keep saying on here

Funny you didn’t mention BE974 which arrived 3hrs late in Belfast last night, BE416 which was 40 mins late, BE419 was 20 min late into Birmingham, BE1049 nearly 50 min late. One early arrival doesn’t make a reliable on time airline.

However it’s an improvement at least.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by BA318

Funny you didn’t mention BE974 which arrived 3hrs late in Belfast last night, BE416 which was 40 mins late, BE419 was 20 min late into Birmingham, BE1049 nearly 50 min late. One early arrival doesn’t make a reliable on time airline.

However it’s an improvement at least.

I was going to say similar, on the odd occasions when I have looked at their punctuality they have had, on the same day, very early and very late arrivals. However if you look at any airline you'll see the same thing, sometimes the carrier may be responsible, others issues outside of the carrier's control.

That's life.

[UlsterFly]

So, my first flight on the the “New” Flybe this morning was an hour late. The return flight tonight was initially delayed an hour and a half, but has now been cancelled!! “New” Flybe, same old story! EI Regional for me from now on I’m afraid!

[Saabdriver1]

Isn't that kind of thing every-day ops, just like a flight arriving 25 minutes early is too? I can't see why either merits a mention.

[Chesty Morgan]

ADD is Acceptable Deferred Defect.

[OltonPete]

BHX

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Because the usual people will look on FlightRadar and say (geeky voice) "Flybe flight Be xxx was late by 50 minutes, nothing has changed it's still the same old FlyMaybe going bankrupt soon, blah, blah blah"

Certainly a difficult day at BHX, the ATR hasn't flown resulting in both Edinburgh's and the early Glasgow cancelled. BHX website indicates that the late Glasgow is operating using the night-stopping Belfast City aircraft and is now showing on various sites as about to depart. Good on Flybe but tough times this week with easyjet ramping up Glasgow again after the summer hols to 3 a day on some days.

To be fair the easyJet last Glasgow has only just left with an hour delay and their Belfast is due 00:25 but still before the Glasgow gets back (after 1am)

Pete

[Saabdriver1]

Oceanic ATC systems failure this afternoon and consequent NATS diversion of ATCO resource to deal with that will have hit everyone in UK airspace equally today.

I still can't see why one flight arriving 25 minutes early should be worthy of commentary here though. It's just as irrelevant as a 25 minute delay. Plenty of both about.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Because the usual people will look on FlightRadar and say (geeky voice) "Flybe flight Be xxx was late by 50 minutes, nothing has changed it's still the same old FlyMaybe going bankrupt soon, blah, blah blah"

Genuine question, do you work for, or have you been employed in the past by flybe? I only ask as they pretty much killed Air Southwest when they targeted NQY-LGW in such a predatory manner, so your username has a certain irony? I am just trying to understand where your support comes from, not having a go, just curious as I remember what they tried to do to Air Southwest.

[Saabdriver1]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Genuine question, do you work for, or have you been employed in the past by flybe? I only ask as they pretty much killed Air Southwest when they targeted NQY-LGW in such a predatory manner, so your username has a certain irony? I am just trying to understand where your support comes from, not having a go, just curious as I remember what they tried to do to Air Southwest.

Fair point. I seem to remember the action was deemed predatory but not expressly against customer interests after an OFT investigation. The "we can do this the hard way or the easy way" phone call from Flybe to ASW was a telling moment!

[BA318]

Originally Posted by airsouthwest

Because the usual people will look on FlightRadar and say (geeky voice) "Flybe flight Be xxx was late by 50 minutes, nothing has changed it's still the same old FlyMaybe going bankrupt soon, blah, blah blah"

Literally nobody posts that here. It’s just embarrassing. You posted Ryanair weren’t flying much from Cork and got corrected, you repeatedly tried to correct people about Loganair not flying ATRs to LHR from IOM and got corrected and then think posting about one early flight means everything is great and rosy while ignoring the five flights the same day which were delayed.

Even if people did post X was late it means they will go bust, telling us one was on time isn’t going to change anyones opinion otherwise anyway.

[ajamieson]

Originally Posted by Saabdriver1

The "we can do this the hard way or the easy way" phone call from Flybe to ASW was a telling moment!

What?